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Which of the two do you think, gives him a bigger winning chance? A) Be the agressor, plodding forward, throwing his bodypunches trying to break Manny down B) Counterpunching approach. Take what he learned from the JMM/Pacquiao fights and apply it, moving around waiting for the counter (I.E. he did some of that vs Mosley) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg7CIhO2GkQ -- Edited by CroatianSensation at 10/25/2009 3:01 PM PDT
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 5, 2009 6:13 PM
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> > Pacquaio is faster than Cotto ... Cotto though
> is
> > stronger ... and BY FAR the best opponent
> Pacquaio
> > has faced when you consider size, age and stage
> of
> > career - or at least the tallest order on paper.
> And
> > I respect Cotto, he has fought nothing but the
> right
> > opponent time after time since he has moved up.
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> > JMM gave him a ton of trouble, but of course
> that is
> > just as much style match as anything - Cotto is
> not
> > exactly known as a counterpuncher.
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> > Really, for both guys, this would represent
> (for
> > different reasons) their best win.
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> I would say the first Barerra win would be a little
> bigger than beating Cotto at this point.
Beating Barrera for the true 126 title was bigger ... but it was also a fight against a relative weight peer for a title they were both contenders for ... and Barrera was in a sense on the other side of the mountain.
Beating Cotto, after starting a career as a flyweight, in his second jaunt up to 147, to beat a legitimate elite welterweight at more or less his prime ... is at least as big an achievement.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 5, 2009 5:34 PM
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> Pacquaio is faster than Cotto ... Cotto though is
> stronger ... and BY FAR the best opponent Pacquaio
> has faced when you consider size, age and stage of
> career - or at least the tallest order on paper. And
> I respect Cotto, he has fought nothing but the right
> opponent time after time since he has moved up.
>
> JMM gave him a ton of trouble, but of course that is
> just as much style match as anything - Cotto is not
> exactly known as a counterpuncher.
>
> Really, for both guys, this would represent (for
> different reasons) their best win.
I would say the first Barerra win would be a little bigger than beating Cotto at this point.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 5, 2009 5:33 PM
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> I just wanna know how you can say Morales is better
> than Cotto when you can't name 1 fighter he beat who
> was bigger stronger and faster than him or any
> combination of 2 outta the 3 advantages. I can run
> off 3 names off the top of my head to support Cotto
> but you can't name one in support of Morales, who in
> your eyes is a better fighter than Cotto.
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> I aint saying that you're wrong about Morales' place
> in boxing history over Cotto right now. I just wanna
> know if you know of any fighter that Morales beat
> that had a bunch of advantages over him. Cause Cotto
> has and has done it numerous times.
A fighter's career isn't defined by beating bigger, stronger, and faster opponents, its defined by his accomplishments. And to this point, Morales accomplished more than Cotto. Morales is a three division champ, and at some point, was considered the clear-cut number one guy in each of those divisions. Cotto to this point has never been the clear-cut top guy in a division, and only has won a couple vacant paper titles. Its not even a comparison son.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 5, 2009 5:29 PM
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Pacquaio is faster than Cotto ... Cotto though is stronger ... and BY FAR the best opponent Pacquaio has faced when you consider size, age and stage of career - or at least the tallest order on paper. And I respect Cotto, he has fought nothing but the right opponent time after time since he has moved up.
JMM gave him a ton of trouble, but of course that is just as much style match as anything - Cotto is not exactly known as a counterpuncher.
Really, for both guys, this would represent (for different reasons) their best win.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 5, 2009 5:23 PM
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> I repeat my question, who has Morales beaten that was
> bigger stronger and faster than him?
Pacquaio the first 1.5 fights ... well at least the faster bit
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 5, 2009 5:21 PM
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I just wanna know how you can say Morales is better than Cotto when you can't name 1 fighter he beat who was bigger stronger and faster than him or any combination of 2 outta the 3 advantages. I can run off 3 names off the top of my head to support Cotto but you can't name one in support of Morales, who in your eyes is a better fighter than Cotto.
I aint saying that you're wrong about Morales' place in boxing history over Cotto right now. I just wanna know if you know of any fighter that Morales beat that had a bunch of advantages over him. Cause Cotto has and has done it numerous times.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 5, 2009 5:08 PM
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> I repeat my question, who has Morales beaten that was
> bigger stronger and faster than him?
908, you asked a couple questions bro. As for this one, he didn't to my knowledge. Morales was usually the bigger guy who was sweating off weight. What does that have to do with Pacquaio-Cotto? Pac's beaten several bigger and stronger guys. Cotto has always been big for the division he's fought in. You lost me buddy.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 5, 2009 5:00 PM
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I repeat my question, who has Morales beaten that was bigger stronger and faster than him?
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 5, 2009 4:53 PM
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> Who has Marquez beaten that is the same calibur as
> Mosely? Morales may still have an edge on Cotto and
> if he does its very very slim. Who has Morales faced
> that was bigger and stronger and faster than him
> anyway? I can name 3 that Cotto has beaten can you do
> the same for Eric?
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> This really doesn't matter tho cause after Pac gets
> smashed there's no question that Cotto is a better
> fighter than both of those guys.
Marquez beat Barerra and he in most fans' minds holds at least one "victory" over Pac, if not two. That can't be denied. And you fail to realize, Cotto beat a shell of Mosley. He didn't beat the guy that was unbeatable as a lightweight or even the guy who move up and beat de la Hoya in their first fight. He beat a guy that came into that fight 7-4 with a NC in his previous 12 and then in his next fight after Cotto was down on one card and up one on another heading into the last round against Mayorga's sorry ass. And Cotto's win over that shell of Mosley was far from convincing.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 5, 2009 4:47 PM
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Who has Marquez beaten that is the same calibur as Mosely? Morales may still have an edge on Cotto and if he does its very very slim. Who has Morales faced that was bigger and stronger and faster than him anyway? I can name 3 that Cotto has beaten can you do the same for Eric?
This really doesn't matter tho cause after Pac gets smashed there's no question that Cotto is a better fighter than both of those guys.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 5, 2009 4:38 PM
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> Cotto to me is as good or better than Marquez and
> Morales. If Cotto times Pac like they did during
> their first fights with him then its curtains cause
> he hits way harder and can take punches better at
> welter than any of those guys can ever dream of.
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> The question is will Pac even make it to the
> championship rounds after being assaulted by Cotto
> for 10 punishing rounds.
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> Edited by mr908 at 11/05/2009 1:31 PM PST
908, to you Cotto is better than Ray Robinson and Henry Armstrong. Not trying to sh*t on you or anything. But when Cotto is involved, your opinion is very biased, at best. If Cotto never fought again, Morales and Marquez would go down is history as better fighters. If Cotto can beat Pac, maybe we have something to talk about. But we both know that ain't happening.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 5, 2009 4:31 PM
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Cotto to me is as good or better than Marquez and Morales. If Cotto times Pac like they did during their first fights with him then its curtains cause he hits way harder and can take punches better at welter than any of those guys can ever dream of.
The question is will Pac even make it to the championship rounds after being assaulted by Cotto for 10 punishing rounds.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 5, 2009 4:16 PM
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I gues Pacman can't punch cuz he didn't hurt De La Hoya? Last I checked, there wasn't too many fighters out there that could. Oscar's chin is already known to be good so why would it surprise that Manny couldn't hurt him? There's talk he drained himself to make weight to fight Pacman. So what? If he agreed to it than no excuses. Fight a rematch at another weight or something. I think Pacman wins this fight on footspeed, punching power and heart. I'll give Cotto the size advantage and that's about his only one.(in my opinion of course)
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 5, 2009 3:14 PM
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Croat---Treat yourself to this fight, steal, rob, gamble, or hustle but get it.'L Share the expense, get together with some family and friends.
You guys, I can see if you can't afford it but let's be honest. It's like watching a state of the art visual and sound affects movie, on a small screen. I'm guilty of watching some fights on stream, now and then but those fights aren't high profile.
I can hook you up with a half way decent stream.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 5, 2009 12:32 PM
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> csux talk of trama why tito lose
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> trama of 911 wit tito heart as big out of ring
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> hurting bad all focus on fire truck n nyfd
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> hopkins all abot self and focus on tito it a tko
LOL!!! Everytime Dax talks about why Tito lost to Hopkins, it's good entertainment.
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