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Which of the two do you think, gives him a bigger winning chance? A) Be the agressor, plodding forward, throwing his bodypunches trying to break Manny down B) Counterpunching approach. Take what he learned from the JMM/Pacquiao fights and apply it, moving around waiting for the counter (I.E. he did some of that vs Mosley) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg7CIhO2GkQ -- Edited by CroatianSensation at 10/25/2009 3:01 PM PDT
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 11, 2009 3:56 AM
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Some of this shit is simply fuckin ridiculous, are cats that favorable towords their guy, that hyping up a lesser opponent is valid?
Damn!!
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 10, 2009 11:27 PM
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> It annoys me when folk mention Baldomir as an
> example of how a Floyd V Margarito fight would have
> went.
>
> No way does Floyd have as easy a ride with the
> Margarito who faced Cotto.
>
> Did you see how easy of a time Cotto had with
> Margarito in the 1st half of the fight? And Cotto's
> boxing ability isn't close to Floyd's......... I
> think it's a pretty good assumption that
> Floyd/Margarito would look like Floyd/Baldomir.
> Margarito is definately a better fighter than
> n Baldomir, but styles make fights, and both would
> lose a decisive UD.
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>
> As for the 140lbs Cotto/Hatton debate; Hitking is
> right, Cotto never made any efforts to fight the
> linear champion in Hatton. Whether Cotto would have
> won or not, I'm not too sure, as Cotto seemed to get
> stronger at 147lbs......... his fight against Hatton
> would be at 140lbs, and tough to say what would have
> happened.
Floyd dont wanna lay on the ropes in a Margarito fight like he did with Hatton. Everything Tony throws can hurt you. Gotta stay completely on the outside like Mosley did.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 10, 2009 9:23 PM
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It annoys me when folk mention Baldomir as an example of how a Floyd V Margarito fight would have went.
No way does Floyd have as easy a ride with the Margarito who faced Cotto.
Did you see how easy of a time Cotto had with Margarito in the 1st half of the fight? And Cotto's boxing ability isn't close to Floyd's......... I think it's a pretty good assumption that Floyd/Margarito would look like Floyd/Baldomir. Margarito is definately a better fighter than Baldomir, but styles make fights, and both would lose a decisive UD.
As for the 140lbs Cotto/Hatton debate; Hitking is right, Cotto never made any efforts to fight the linear champion in Hatton. Whether Cotto would have won or not, I'm not too sure, as Cotto seemed to get stronger at 147lbs......... his fight against Hatton would be at 140lbs, and tough to say what would have happened.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 10, 2009 7:33 PM
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> Mayweather
>
> VS Margarito - Corrales-esque minus the
> countless knockdowns, Margarito would be outclassed.
> Everything Cotto did in the early rounds, boxing,
> moving, landing on Marga's face all night long.
> Everything except getting plastered in the late
> rounds.
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>
> Vs Clottey - another UD. Clottey is too
> stationary, a poor man's Winky Wright without the
> great jab or size. Countless jabs to the mid-section
> Floyd style, pick and choose his shots here and there
> when Clottey opens up.
>
> Vs Quintana - Quintana's awkardness could
> present some problems early. But Floyd eventually
> figures him out like he did Sharmba Mithell & Judah
> (two other movers/boxers) and maybe even TKO's him. I
> can't say, i'm still not sure about Floyd's power at
> 147 even though he did TKO sharmba with a bodyhot &
> TKO'd Hatton to the face.
>
> Vs Mosley - I said this before, this is
> Floyd's toughest fight. Both Pacquiao & Floyd are
> better off facing each other than Mosley. Too strong
> for both but has speed & punching power on top of
> that. Hasn't shown signs of getting tired either and
> has a solid chin. FLOYD BY SPLIT DECISION IF I HAD TO
> CHOOSE.
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> Vs Pacquiao - A brutal beatdown by Floyd.
> Pacquiao's fighting style just wouldn't be a problem
> even though he has speed. Floyd would make him look
> even more awkward slipping and sliding to the side,
> keeping Pacman off balance all night long while
> tagging him. Floyd By TKO in 9 or 10.
>
I agree with you evaluations! The one thing that you did not mentioned is Prettyboy get off on other boxers aggression as in Corrales and Hatton. Cotto did not beat Mosley, he was awarded a gift, which hurt his boxing growth. As I said before, boxing is the only sport where the beat up loser wins.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 10, 2009 7:06 PM
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> > Hasnt really fought anyone his size either. If
> Pavlik
> > decides to fight someone like Berto and you hear
> me
> > cheering go ahead and put a cap in my ass cuz
> I'm
> > gonna deserve it.
>
> I think its safe to say that Mayweather, Mosley, or
> Cotto would be tougher opponents for Pavlik than
> Lockett, Rubio, and Espino. Just because a guy is
> your size doesn't make him a tougher opponent.
When you claim to be the greatest and you fight a guy a helluva a lot smaller than you who does present the biggest challenge and you cant put him away it doesnt help your case any.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 10, 2009 5:49 PM
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> Hasnt really fought anyone his size either. If Pavlik
> decides to fight someone like Berto and you hear me
> cheering go ahead and put a cap in my ass cuz I'm
> gonna deserve it.
I think its safe to say that Mayweather, Mosley, or Cotto would be tougher opponents for Pavlik than Lockett, Rubio, and Espino. Just because a guy is your size doesn't make him a tougher opponent.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 10, 2009 5:46 PM
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> > Theres no excuse for Floyd not fighting a lot of
> guys
> > either. But his fans make those excuses every
> day.
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> As a Mayweather fan, I don't make excuses for him not
> fighting certain opponents. I simply point out that
> he has taken bigger fights than the ones most of his
> critics would rather see. He may not have fought the
> top welters, but he's always fought top fighters. I
> mean, its not like he's spent that last couple years
> fighting the likes of Lockett, Rubio, and Espino.
Hasnt really fought anyone his size either. If Pavlik decides to fight someone like Berto and you hear me cheering go ahead and put a cap in my ass cuz I'm gonna deserve it.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 10, 2009 5:42 PM
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> Theres no excuse for Floyd not fighting a lot of guys
> either. But his fans make those excuses every day.
As a Mayweather fan, I don't make excuses for him not fighting certain opponents. I simply point out that he has taken bigger fights than the ones most of his critics would rather see. He may not have fought the top welters, but he's always fought top fighters. I mean, its not like he's spent that last couple years fighting the likes of Lockett, Rubio, and Espino.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 10, 2009 5:39 PM
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> That's the point I was making to 908. We can't ever
> be certain of what a fight's outcome will be unless
> the fight actually happens. Just because one thinks
> Cotto would have beaten Hatton isn't an excuse for
> him not fighting him.
Theres no excuse for Floyd not fighting a lot of guys either. But his fans make those excuses every day.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 10, 2009 5:36 PM
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> > The fact that you think he would have beaten
> them is
> > s irrelevant. HE DIDN'T FIGHT THEM!!!
>
> This can be said about some potential Floyd opponents
> as well...............
That's the point I was making to 908. We can't ever be certain of what a fight's outcome will be unless the fight actually happens. Just because one thinks Cotto would have beaten Hatton isn't an excuse for him not fighting him.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 10, 2009 5:34 PM
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> You dont need to see Cotto fight Hatton to know he
> woulda laid him out. Nor do I need to see him fight
> Floyd to know that Floyd would win a decision. Some
> things are just that obvious.
I don't know what will happen in a Cotto-Hatton or Mayweather-Cotto matchup becasue the fights haven't happen.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 10, 2009 5:32 PM
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> The fact that you think he would have beaten them is
> s irrelevant. HE DIDN'T FIGHT THEM!!!
This can be said about some potential Floyd opponents as well...............
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 10, 2009 5:09 PM
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> > You funny hit, you know Cotto woulda beat his
> ass you
> > just tryna crawl under my skin. Aint happenin.
>
> I don't know that, and neither do you, that's why
> they fight the fights. What you're doing is what
> you've accused Mayweather fans of doing. And that's
> assuming Mayweather would beat the fighters he hasn't
> faced. Cotto avoided Mayweather and Hatton at 140.
> The fact that you think he would have beaten them is
> s irrelevant. HE DIDN'T FIGHT THEM!!!
You dont need to see Cotto fight Hatton to know he woulda laid him out. Nor do I need to see him fight Floyd to know that Floyd would win a decision. Some things are just that obvious.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 10, 2009 4:58 PM
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> You funny hit, you know Cotto woulda beat his ass you
> just tryna crawl under my skin. Aint happenin.
I don't know that, and neither do you, that's why they fight the fights. What you're doing is what you've accused Mayweather fans of doing. And that's assuming Mayweather would beat the fighters he hasn't faced. Cotto avoided Mayweather and Hatton at 140. The fact that you think he would have beaten them is irrelevant. HE DIDN'T FIGHT THEM!!!
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 10, 2009 4:48 PM
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You funny hit, you know Cotto woulda beat his ass you just tryna crawl under my skin. Aint happenin.
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