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it seems like all people want to talk about is mayweather vs. Cotto. well where do u think floyd stacks up against fighters like Pernell Whitaker, or even ODLH in his prime, or take it back farther and say sugar ray leaonard, cuz at this point those fights are looking as likely as the Cotto fight
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Re: how good is mayweather?
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how bout mosely vs. mayweather if they were both at the top of their game? i honestly don't know who'd win it, it might be dullsville to watch in reality, but i think it woulda been close
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Re: how good is mayweather?
May 13, 2008 4:59 PM
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> Cotto would also do himself some good by going on
> some popular reality television program. Floyd really
> pull in the main stream viewers by doing that.
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> No-way does Floyd pass up the chance to make millions
> with a well paid Cotto. He just wants Cotto to go
> thru the same crap as he did.
i don't think cotto's english is developed enough to support that kind of exposure on american t.v. yet, and he's allready a huge name in puerto rico....plus do you know how ridiculous it sound's that a boxer shouldn't get a fight because he hasn't been on a reality show?!
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Re: how good is mayweather?
May 12, 2008 9:25 PM
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"Why does the Mayweather Jr
even bother to keep a belt if he's not going to
defend it anyway ?
If anybody thinks the "Ring Magazine" ratings
mean anything anymore they are kidding
themselves. Once the rag gets bought by a
promoter, that's a conflict of interest.
Whether Cotto can beat Mayweather Jr or not
is irrelevant if Mayweather doesn't fight anybody.
Cotto is the defending WW champ "!!
Exactly. Spoken like a real boxing enthusiast.
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Re: how good is mayweather?
May 12, 2008 9:17 PM
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"Cotto's hasn't done much at welterweight either, there's a plenty fighters out there, maybe a boat load ready and willin. Cotto lookin for money like everybody else".
Huh? Every fighter Cotto has faced at WW is capable of beating Baldo including Zab. Floyd has Baldo. Cotto is looking to unify the titles. Floyd is doing God know what. If Cotto was only concerned about money he would be shouting out Floyd's name with every breath. He could care less. Floyd is the one who's got something to prove right now.
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Re: how good is mayweather?
May 12, 2008 7:57 PM
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Why does the Mayweather Jr
even bother to keep a belt if he's not going to
defend it anyway ?
If anybody thinks the "Ring Magazine" ratings
mean anything anymore they are kidding
themselves. Once the rag gets bought by a
promoter, that's a conflict of interest.
Whether Cotto can beat Mayweather Jr or not
is irrelevant if Mayweather doesn't fight anybody.
Cotto is the defending WW champ !!
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May 12, 2008 6:58 PM
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> > Interesting ain't it?
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> Yep, it's all about MONEY and Floyd is the best at
> doing that. There was a time when you had to beat the
> best to considered the best ~ that time has past.
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> The days when you were remembered by who you fought,
> win or lose, are gone.
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> Floyd will have held the 147-pound WBC belt for two
> years and not faced a single mandatory when other
> fighters like Cotto have had to ~ why?
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Re: how good is mayweather?
May 12, 2008 3:53 PM
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> Anyhow,
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> Didn't Hatton vs Mayweather do more than Oscar vs
> Floyd?
> Or almost as well?
> Interesting ain't it?
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NO, not it didn't, not even close. I mean not close at all.
It did very good PPV numbers, but it was nothing to what Floyd/Oscar did.
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May 12, 2008 3:50 PM
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> > Floyd will have held the 147-pound WBC belt for two
> years and not faced a >single mandatory when other
> fighters like Cotto have had to ~ why?
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> Cotto's hasn't done much at welterweight either,
> there's a plenty fighters out there, maybe a boat
> load ready and willin. Cotto lookin for money like
> everybody else.
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> Cotto hasn't fought Clottey, Vernon Forrest, Berto,
> Margarito, Cintron, etc. I could go on of course,
> but I have no-intentions of exploiting their
> decisions. Some fighters can get real funny when it
> comes to makin money. Some fighters act like they
> don't want another fighter or promoter to make money
> off them, I think it's a lotta personal stuff that
> t goes on.
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> Leonard said: Tommy would have to reach Roberto Duran
> levels of popularity before he would face him, but
> Tommy wasn't beggin Ray Leonard for a fight, the
> public was. Cotto needs to stay undefeated, so he
> probably wont face fighters like Quartey, Clottey or
> Forrest.
Cotto hasn't faced Cottley b/c Cottley just lost to Margarito. That would be taking a step backwards, the same goes for Cintron. Cotto is actually scheduled to face Margarito. He hasn't faced Quartey and Forrest b/c both of those guys haven't made WW in years. And Berto, are you serious!
Cotto and Margarito are the two guys that have actually fought just about every name at WW and they're fighting each other next. The winner will probably be crowned as the best WW in the division. Specially if a Floyd fight doesn't get made early next year, which it may not if Oscar can some how get victory over Floyd.
Cotto struggled at 140 but at 147 the guy has built quite a resume.
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Re: how good is mayweather?
May 12, 2008 2:49 PM
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> Floyd will have held the 147-pound WBC belt for two years and not faced a >single mandatory when other fighters like Cotto have had to ~ why?
Cotto's hasn't done much at welterweight either, there's a plenty fighters out there, maybe a boat load ready and willin. Cotto lookin for money like everybody else.
Cotto hasn't fought Clottey, Vernon Forrest, Berto, Margarito, Cintron, etc. I could go on of course, but I have no-intentions of exploiting their decisions. Some fighters can get real funny when it comes to makin money. Some fighters act like they don't want another fighter or promoter to make money off them, I think it's a lotta personal stuff that goes on.
Leonard said: Tommy would have to reach Roberto Duran levels of popularity before he would face him, but Tommy wasn't beggin Ray Leonard for a fight, the public was. Cotto needs to stay undefeated, so he probably wont face fighters like Quartey, Clottey or Forrest.
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Re: how good is mayweather?
May 12, 2008 7:40 AM
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> Interesting ain't it?
Yep, it's all about MONEY and Floyd is the best at doing that. There was a time when you had to beat the best to considered the best ~ that time has past.
The days when you were remembered by who you fought, win or lose, are gone.
Floyd will have held the 147-pound WBC belt for two years and not faced a single mandatory when other fighters like Cotto have had to ~ why?
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Re: how good is mayweather?
May 12, 2008 7:07 AM
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> I'd sell my soul too for $50 million a year.
Are you a Protestant?
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Re: how good is mayweather?
May 12, 2008 3:24 AM
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> i see why floyd is fightin oscar, but why is he
> fighting once a year? it seems like if he wants more
> money, hed take more fights, not just one big check a
> year
Personally I've got nothing against Cotto, and only throw shots at him after I've read no-less than 30 or more critical post about Floyd
First off, nobody can really say what's really goin on in Floyd's head, but I do know this once you get a raise in your pay check it's hard to deal with less, I could be wrong.
I think the fights gonna happen. Unitl then what's wrong with folks buyin Cotto's PPV fights and makin him into a superstar in the mean time.
Cotto would also do himself some good by going on some popular reality television program. Floyd really pull in the main stream viewers by doing that.
No-way does Floyd pass up the chance to make millions with a well paid Cotto. He just wants Cotto to go thru the same crap as he did.
Whose fightin at welterweight right now that could be consi- dered Cotto's Corrales or Castillo which would put him well onto the map? Please don't say Mosley or Zab.
Anyhow,
Didn't Hatton vs Mayweather do more than Oscar vs Floyd?
Or almost as well? Even Hatton's gotten himself spoiled (he never made that kind of money fightin anybody in his life), he knew Junior Witter was lookin for a pay day. Yet Hatton wants a re-match with Floyd. How come he didn't give Collazo a re-match?
Interesting ain't it?
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Re: how good is mayweather?
May 12, 2008 3:03 AM
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i see why floyd is fightin oscar, but why is he fighting once a year? it seems like if he wants more money, hed take more fights, not just one big check a year
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Re: how good is mayweather?
May 12, 2008 2:39 AM
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> Right now he is simply a very hyped boxer with
> amazing skills who is afraid to be tested.. Its
> funny that he considers a 35 year old fighter the
> best person to fight.
If you put yourself in the Floyd's shoes, Oscar is the best fighter to fight, because he's gonna make millions. In Cotto eyes Oscar or Floyd is the best fight to make, that's just how it goes. Who doesn't wanna fight Oscar or even Floyd now??
Every welterweight out there would love the opportunity to get smacked down by either Oscar or Floyd. It's a lottery ticket. You have to understand the business. When you grow you really wanna fight other fighters who have grown in popularity also. Hatton knew the real reason why Witter wanted to fight him, for the MONEY.
> PBF is getting older and is slowly passing his prime.
> His window is small to make the all time great list.
> Right now he is not even in the top 20 all time
> me greatest fighters.
Be honest. What do you think Floyd, Cotto, Oscar, Margarito, PW or any other fighter want the most:
a.) The chance to make the top 20 all time greatest fighters list.
OR
b.) The chance to make 20 million dollars for one nights work.
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Re: how good is mayweather?
May 12, 2008 2:21 AM
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> but if he does and Floyd don't fight him
> Floyd will most likely be dubbed as a huge
> coward and history will not be kind to him.
dubbed as a huge coward?? That's HIGHLY UNLIKELY. Comin all the way up from super-lightweight (5 weight classes)hardly makes Floyd Mayweather a coward.
A coward is somebody that claims to be a Jr welter- weight, but yet he came into his fights at a weight of 157lbs, like hmm Cotto use to do for instance.
Cotto built his winnin record out weighting his opponents by 15lbs or more. When Cotto fought Chop Chop he was weighting 157lbs and Chop Chop was weighting 139lbs.
Please, EVERYBODY knew what Cotto was doing, but Corley didn't give 2 hoots about it. Little Chop Chop went in that ring an almost knocked Cotto's noggin off. Cotto had a full 18lb advantage over Corley and nearly lost. That's when Cotto became half a man and moved -up.
Now that's the past legacy of a true coward than anything I could ever dream of.
If you folks want Cotto to be a superstar, yall need to make sure he does well from here on out in PPV sales. If Cotto really has this so-called huge following in Puerto Rico then yall need to start buyin his fights, instead of just talkin about it or thinkin Floyd's gonna give him a hand -out.
p.s. I think yall rushin Cotto into a major beat-down going up against Floyd Mayweather, but hey, I'm all for it.
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