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Well, it was as awful as could be imagined. Two guys doing nothing, round after round. Valuev following around Haye, attempting to jab to Haye's head...Haye retreating, occasionally attempting to jab to Valuev's stomach...countering now and then. Haye did manage to buckle Valuev in the 12th, but nothing came of it.
I'm not sure how this would have ended up had this been a 15 round fight, as i likely would have committed suicide shortly after the 12th.
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Re: Haye doesnt lose to Valuev by MD
Nov 10, 2009 1:04 PM
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> why would you even watch this fight?
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> Guys like Rafael do it b/c is their job, but other
> than that I have no clue why anyone would watch this.
I have to admit... ANY fight with Valuev is torture. He and Ruiz pretty much deserve each other.
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Re: Haye doesnt lose to Valuev by MD
Nov 10, 2009 12:16 PM
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why would you even watch this fight?
Guys like Rafael do it b/c is their job, but other than that I have no clue why anyone would watch this.
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Re: Haye doesnt lose to Valuev by MD
Nov 10, 2009 10:35 AM
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> Ortiz started to believe his own hype. All those
> Future Faces of Boxing characters did. Ortiz thought
> he could walk on water, Kirkland thought he was some
> type of thug kingpin, Angulo thought he was ready to
> step up when he wasn't and Arreola thought he didn't
> need to train anymore. Maybe now that Ortiz is off
> his high horse he'll revert back to the fighter he
> was earlier. Sometimes a dose of humility does great
> things for fighters. Hopefully this one of those
> cases because i did enjoy his previous fights.
Angulo was ready - he just lost. And Cintron is a good fighter. Losses are not fatal, and certainly Angulo is no worse for it. Ortiz I think could use the humility - although his credentials entering the fight were umimpeachable. But fighters lose, and protecting "0s" is silly - Ortiz lost, but to a good fighter in a near-great fight ... no reason he cannot recover.
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Re: Haye doesnt lose to Valuev by MD
Nov 10, 2009 1:33 AM
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> He'll need to box much better if he faces Maidana
> again. He didnt just lose that fight due to a moment
> of weakness. Maidana adjusted, tied up inside, and
> went to beating him from the outside. Ortiz's
> footwork was bad, and El Chino was lining him up for
> that right hand something nasty.
I think that taking on the winner of Malignaggi / Diaz
is an excellent way for him to go in that they are both
light hitters and the risk of another walkout on the
Kansas fighter's part should be slim.....should be.
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Re: Haye doesnt lose to Valuev by MD
Nov 10, 2009 12:35 AM
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Ortiz started to believe his own hype. All those Future Faces of Boxing characters did. Ortiz thought he could walk on water, Kirkland thought he was some type of thug kingpin, Angulo thought he was ready to step up when he wasn't and Arreola thought he didn't need to train anymore. Maybe now that Ortiz is off his high horse he'll revert back to the fighter he was earlier. Sometimes a dose of humility does great things for fighters. Hopefully this one of those cases because i did enjoy his previous fights.
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Re: Haye doesnt lose to Valuev by MD
Nov 10, 2009 12:27 AM
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> I think the key is just getting Ortiz' name back in
> the paper. Let's face it - before the loss he had
> been on a very impressive streak, crushing a couple
> of very estimable opponents (ok, maybe Maussa is not
> VERY estimable). I think a rematch with Maidana is
> the eventual place - despite the ending, it was a
> terrific fight and no reason he can't win a rematch.
> (obviously this assumes Ortiz has that fight in him
> for real)
He'll need to box much better if he faces Maidana again. He didnt just lose that fight due to a moment of weakness. Maidana adjusted, tied up inside, and went to beating him from the outside. Ortiz's footwork was bad, and El Chino was lining him up for that right hand something nasty.
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Re: Haye doesnt lose to Valuev by MD
Nov 10, 2009 12:20 AM
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I think the key is just getting Ortiz' name back in the paper. Let's face it - before the loss he had been on a very impressive streak, crushing a couple of very estimable opponents (ok, maybe Maussa is not VERY estimable). I think a rematch with Maidana is the eventual place - despite the ending, it was a terrific fight and no reason he can't win a rematch. (obviously this assumes Ortiz has that fight in him for real)
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Re: Haye doesnt lose to Valuev by MD
Nov 9, 2009 7:45 PM
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> You guys are really, really nutty about that whole
> Vitali first thing. It's completely absurd.
Yup. The truth is that each brother avenges the others loss. It dont matter who goes first.
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Re: Haye doesnt lose to Valuev by MD
Nov 9, 2009 7:24 PM
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You guys are really, really nutty about that whole Vitali first thing. It's completely absurd.
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Re: Haye doesnt lose to Valuev by MD
Nov 9, 2009 7:14 PM
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> Vitali-Kevin Johnson TV rights finalized by HBO. So
> the Diaz-Maglinaggi broadcast is a tripleheader, with
> Ortiz-Diaz live co-feature and Vitali-Johnson on tape
> delay.
Damn.
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Re: Haye doesnt lose to Valuev by MD
Nov 9, 2009 6:31 PM
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> Vitali-Kevin Johnson TV rights finalized by HBO. So
> the Diaz-Maglinaggi broadcast is a tripleheader, with
> Ortiz-Diaz live co-feature and Vitali-Johnson on tape
> delay.
So Ortiz is still on the undercard in that which
makes me wonder if they're also considering
taking on the winner of Malignaggi / Diaz
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Re: Haye doesnt lose to Valuev by MD
Nov 9, 2009 4:27 PM
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If Haye fights like that against Vitali or Wlad then hopefully he'll get his brains all shook up...
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Re: Haye doesnt lose to Valuev by MD
Nov 9, 2009 2:37 PM
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Well with Haye winning a belt. It ensures us that we will see Haye in there with one of the Klitscko's.
And whoever said it is correct. They ll have to go thru Vitaly (who I think has always been the better Klitscko) before they get to Wlad.
Haye being in the heavyweight division shakes things up
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Re: Haye doesnt lose to Valuev by MD
Nov 9, 2009 2:23 PM
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Hey ... Wlad is on the shelf til the spring ... really the miracle is Vitali having 3 title defenses in a year, 4 in 15 months ... considering how injury prone he has been ...
And Eddie Chambers (the likely match) is more deserving than Kevin Johnson ... not that I think Johnson is a bad choice - really the pickings at heavy are SO slim that Kevin is at least as interesting a name as anyone (Povetkin is better qualified, but not that much more compelling)
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Re: Haye doesnt lose to Valuev by MD
Nov 9, 2009 2:00 PM
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> > > Haye showed good speed and athleticism and
> > Valuev
> > > showed... nothing. Haye should have been
> > fighting
> > > Holyfield for that belt.
> > >
> > > BTW: Haye buckling that big doofis was
> probably
> > the
> > > biggest statement made in the fight. It
> seems
> > his
> > > power has carried up nicely.
> >
> > Vitali-Kevin Johnson TV rights finalized by HBO.
> So
> > the Diaz-Maglinaggi broadcast is a tripleheader,
> with
> > Ortiz-Diaz live co-feature and Vitali-Johnson on
> tape
> > delay.
>
> Big Brother taking on yet another
> fighter, that Wlad should be fighting..........
That seems to be the system. Any possible threat to Wlad will get sent Vit's way first.
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