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HBO LOOKING TO MAKE JUNIOR WELTERWEIGHT TOURNEY? By G. Leon Boxingtalk understands that HBO is strongly considering staging a four man tournament in the junior welterweight division. The names currently being mentioned are undefeated WBC junior welterweight champ Devon Alexander, Marcos Maidaina, Amir Khan and Victor Ortiz. Needless to say there will be more to follow. http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=18562
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Re: HBO Reportedly looking into setting up a Junior Welter-Weight Tourney.
Nov 10, 2009 7:09 PM
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> I think Ortiz's boss is so trying to find the next
> version of himself that he forgets to pay attention
> to if they can actually fight.
Thats pretty astute. I think Oscar is living thru his fighters too.
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Re: HBO Reportedly looking into setting up a Junior Welter-Weight Tourney.
Nov 10, 2009 2:13 PM
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Holt landed two punches that put Bradley down.....other than that it was Bradley's fight.
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Re: HBO Reportedly looking into setting up a Junior Welter-Weight Tourney.
Nov 10, 2009 2:01 PM
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There's no need for tourney's, specially at Junion Welter. HBO just needs to focus on making the best fights possible.
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Re: HBO Reportedly looking into setting up a Junior Welter-Weight Tourney.
Nov 6, 2009 11:08 PM
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> I think the only way Judah loses to Bradley, is if he
> mentally breaks down, which is very well possible.
> But if those 2 got in the ring and put it all on the
> line, I got my money on Zab. Zab is a mere gatekeeper
> at this point, and I think that's all Bradley will
> amount to.
>
Judah keeps talking about campaigning at 140
but hasn't actually fought at 140 since 2003.
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Re: HBO Reportedly looking into setting up a Junior Welter-Weight Tourney.
Nov 6, 2009 10:35 PM
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Timothy Bradely is complete ass imo and it
> wouldn't surprise me to see him lose horribly to
> anyone in the tournament...........
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> For some reason, I've not been able to get behind
> this guy. I don't know why. I'm expecting him to get
> KO'D real soon. Especially when he fights a stiff
> opponent. He beat Campbell (Not officially), But that
> didn't help his persona IMO.
>
> I think he loses to Zab Judah
I totally disagree. Aside from punching power, stylistically he is exactly the sort of fighter who would stop Judah.
I think the only way Judah loses to Bradley, is if he mentally breaks down, which is very well possible. But if those 2 got in the ring and put it all on the line, I got my money on Zab. Zab is a mere gatekeeper at this point, and I think that's all Bradley will amount to.
If he does get a big win, he better milk the sh*t out of it! Or learn better mechanics defensively and learn when to sit down on his punches. get better foot RyThYm, etc.
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Re: HBO Reportedly looking into setting up a Junior Welter-Weight Tourney.
Nov 5, 2009 9:09 PM
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if true, its a coplete waste of time....
they should imstead try to work out a deal between marquez and hatton.... 140 is dead at this time...all the "good ones" have bin beaten.. all the others, nobody really cares about em.
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Re: HBO Reportedly looking into setting up a Junior Welter-Weight Tourney.
Nov 5, 2009 6:50 PM
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> They were definitely looking past that fight. I
> wondered if Ortiz could handle someone like Maidana
> prior to that bout taking place. Is Ortiz moving to
> ww?
I haven't heard. I don't see why he would at this point. 140 is full of young beltholders that look very beatable. I think he fits in better there than at welter.
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Re: HBO Reportedly looking into setting up a Junior Welter-Weight Tourney.
Nov 5, 2009 6:44 PM
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> > Much like the smw division, 140 has a bunch of
> guys
> > in it that seem pretty good, yet no one clearly
> > stands out as being the best. I like the idea of
> a
> > tourny.
> >
> > Its nice to know that Ortiz is planning on
> fighting
> > again. I think he got KOd by his promotional
> company
> > in that last bout. They had this 21yo kid all
> fired
> > up and sucked into the hype prior to stepping
> into
> > the ring. Next thing you know, he is in the
> fight of
> > his life with a bomb dropper who came to win.
> They
> > should have spent more time preparing Ortiz for
> > Maidana and less time preparing him for the
> glitz.
>
> I think Ortiz's boss is so trying to find the next
> version of himself that he forgets to pay attention
> to if they can actually fight.
They were definitely looking past that fight. I wondered if Ortiz could handle someone like Maidana prior to that bout taking place. Is Ortiz moving to ww?
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Re: HBO Reportedly looking into setting up a Junior Welter-Weight Tourney.
Nov 5, 2009 6:04 PM
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> Much like the smw division, 140 has a bunch of guys
> in it that seem pretty good, yet no one clearly
> stands out as being the best. I like the idea of a
> tourny.
>
> Its nice to know that Ortiz is planning on fighting
> again. I think he got KOd by his promotional company
> in that last bout. They had this 21yo kid all fired
> up and sucked into the hype prior to stepping into
> the ring. Next thing you know, he is in the fight of
> his life with a bomb dropper who came to win. They
> should have spent more time preparing Ortiz for
> Maidana and less time preparing him for the glitz.
I think Ortiz's boss is so trying to find the next version of himself that he forgets to pay attention to if they can actually fight.
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Re: HBO Reportedly looking into setting up a Junior Welter-Weight Tourney.
Nov 5, 2009 5:44 PM
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Much like the smw division, 140 has a bunch of guys in it that seem pretty good, yet no one clearly stands out as being the best. I like the idea of a tourny.
Its nice to know that Ortiz is planning on fighting again. I think he got KOd by his promotional company in that last bout. They had this 21yo kid all fired up and sucked into the hype prior to stepping into the ring. Next thing you know, he is in the fight of his life with a bomb dropper who came to win. They should have spent more time preparing Ortiz for Maidana and less time preparing him for the glitz.
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Re: HBO Reportedly looking into setting up a Junior Welter-Weight Tourney.
Nov 5, 2009 5:23 PM
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> Can't compare the 2. Eleven rounds of bricks to the
> face and body against a bigger man is totally
> different than just not wanting to fight cause the
> competiton level is stepped up and now you're
> fighting hungry fighters with heart. Didn't the fight
> only go 4 rounds too, how can you compare?
Because there is no proof that Margarito cheated in that fight. And no matter how much you want to downplay what happen that night. Margarito made Cotto quit fair and square. Cotto and Ortiz did the same thing and made similar statements. My point was if Cotto could come back from it, so can Ortiz.
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Re: HBO Reportedly looking into setting up a Junior Welter-Weight Tourney.
Nov 5, 2009 5:20 PM
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> Can't compare the 2. Eleven rounds of bricks to the
> face and body against a bigger man is totally
> different than just not wanting to fight cause the
> competiton level is stepped up and now you're
> fighting hungry fighters with heart. Didn't the fight
> only go 4 rounds too, how can you compare?
6 round fight - borderline fight of the year caliber ... ending was curious ... Ortiz is at the same stage where Vitali was after his loss to Byrd. The questions are there, but Vitali redeemed himself. Ortiz can too.
After all, this is a guy who smoked Carlos Maussa - a former champ, albeit a wild flawed one. After all, this is a guy who smoked Mike Arnaoutis, who was considered by any reasonable fan a legitimate step up in class as an opponent. He got in with a banger and lost - what can be made of his career is up to him, the epitaph is not written.
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Re: HBO Reportedly looking into setting up a Junior Welter-Weight Tourney.
Nov 5, 2009 5:18 PM
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> > Well Ortiz back on the horse against Antonio
> Diaz on
> > the Diaz-Maglinaggi TV opener ... good solid
> test for
> > his return back
> >
> > and remember - Ortiz lost ... which happens -
> but he
> > came off a super impressive series of results
> before
> > that
> >
> > I don't think writing him off so easily makes a
> ton
> > of sense
>
> Is that the same Antonio Diaz that Margarito fought
> for a vacant paper title?
Yep - has a 5 match winning streak since unretiring ... was supposed to fight Zab Judah on the Floyd undercard before Judah flaked out ...
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Re: HBO Reportedly looking into setting up a Junior Welter-Weight Tourney.
Nov 5, 2009 5:13 PM
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Can't compare the 2. Eleven rounds of bricks to the face and body against a bigger man is totally different than just not wanting to fight cause the competiton level is stepped up and now you're fighting hungry fighters with heart. Didn't the fight only go 4 rounds too, how can you compare?
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Re: HBO Reportedly looking into setting up a Junior Welter-Weight Tourney.
Nov 5, 2009 5:10 PM
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> Its not about him losing that makes people quick to
> write him off. Its the way he acted during the post
> fiight interview that has people doubting him. I
> can't really blame them either, the guy bitched out
> and there's no way around it. True prize fighter
> don't run around with a mentality like that
> especially when they're as young as he is.
>
>
> He better master Floyd's art of defense and develop
> some super fast twitch muscles if he's gonna run
> around with a punk's mentality cause thats the only
> way he'll be successful in this sport.
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> --
> Edited by mr908 at 11/05/2009 2:07 PM PST
You must have missed the first episode of Pacquaio-Cotto 24/7. Cotto said that he wanted the Margarito fight stopped so he could be there for his kids. I don't see any difference in that and what Ortiz said. Is Cotto not a true prize fighter?
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