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For these reasons:
Strength wise, Hatton will be stronger, so pushing him around coming forward is out of question. That would leave Pacquiao with getting on his toes and trying to box as he did against Delahoya. As good as Pac looked in that fight, it was largely due to what was wrong with Oscar then what was right with Manny.
Manny isn't a good technical boxer, he has speed but no defense like a Mayweather. One thing we know that can hurt Hatton is counter punching. Can Manny counter punch effectively against Hatton? I doubt it.
And if he tries to just come forward and bully Ricky, can you seriously say that he can do any better then a Kostya Tszyu, who is a MUCH bigger puncher then Pacquiao and a overall stronger jr.welterweight.
So he can't outbox him to a 12 round decision because he lacks the technical boxing skills and defense/discipline. He can't hurt Pacman by being the stronger, more powerful puncher because he isn't (Kostya Tszyu, a bigger puncher couldn't do it) and he can't counter punch the way Floyd did and knock him out.
What does that leave him with?
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Re: I'm changing my pick, I now have Hatton beating Pacquiao
May 6, 2009 10:34 PM
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let me say one thing!! i have gerald mcclellan's career on dvd and all i can say is WOW!!! i will mail it to anyone who hasnt seen him fight, he was amazing. no wonder roy wouldnt face that dude. alot of people only saw the nigel benn fight but he had others like the fight 2 fights vs julian jackson. but as for floyd, he should next year fight cotto or mosely no way around that. ID LIKE FOR SOMEONE TO TELL ME ONE GOOD ALL AROUND BOXER FLOYD HAS EVER BEAT?????
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Re: I'm changing my pick, I now have Hatton beating Pacquiao
May 6, 2009 10:32 PM
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:::::::::::Fair points indeed, except that Virgil Hill fought hardly anyone and never left Bismarck, ND...and the one time he did during his "reign," he got clearly beat by Thomas Hears who was several years past his prime. ::::::::::::::::
True dat, but Roy was still relatively new as a LHW and 'some' actually feared Hill's length (jab) and power against the naturally smaller Jones Jr. That body shot!!!!!!!! I still fell it personally!!!
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Re: I'm changing my pick, I now have Hatton beating Pacquiao
May 6, 2009 10:31 PM
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> I honestly can't put my finger on the specific
> quality that grates because Floyd can be completely
> likeable at times, but when he cranks up that punk
> factor, it's like nails on a chalkboard. Be that as
> it may, BECAUSE of it (as opposed to
> inspite of it), he's made a LOT of money. He
> is the Howard Stern of boxing. People just want to
> be tuned-in when he falls on his face. And the
> sponsers don't care if it's hate or it's love. As
> long as the droves tune-in, they'll keep signing the
> checks.
Its cuz Floyd is a punk ass gangsta wannabe but doesnt fill the bill. If he would back his play with his fists instead of running his mouth he would make a few more friends. Ali was colorful and hated at the same time. But he fought the very best of his time and didnt make any excuses. If Lil Floyd would try some of that he'd gain a ton of more fans.
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Re: I'm changing my pick, I now have Hatton beating Pacquiao
May 6, 2009 10:28 PM
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> ::::::::::::::::::Jones was accused of waiting
> until the real fighters grew old. You don't remember
> Larry Merchant complaining he wouldn't fight Hill or
> McCallum ? Then he splits with dad saying dad held
> him back and then stepped
> up.::::::::::::::::::::::
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> ewashi,
>
> You say that you know the game so I'll try this one
> on for size.... RJJR and James Toney both fought Mike
> McCallum to give him paydays as many within Mike's
> time (Leonard, Hagler, Duran, Hearns who he used to
> CRUSH @ the Kronk gym daily) would not fight him.
> Donald Curry, considered a P4P great @ the time
> e stepped up and got KO'D in 4 I think....
>
> Virgil Hill was one of the longest running LHW
> champions... Not too sure why that was a gimme
> fight... Roy just made it look that way...
>
> Some point to Hall, Telesco, Gonzales, Harding,
> Reggie Johnson, De Valle and talk a pile of shit, but
> Hall and Gonzalez especially gave Dariusz a HARD time
> with Gonzalez taking his belt... Harding dropped and
> beat Antonio Tarver in their first bout...
>
> Check your sources son and let me know where RJJR
> wasn't an ambassador of the sport...
>
> Like Floyd, some folks don't like all that hippity
> hoppity, RAP, gangsta attitude in black fighters, but
> who really gives a flock what they think, huh?
Fair points indeed, except that Virgil Hill fought hardly anyone and never left Bismarck, ND...and the one time he did during his "reign," he got clearly beat by Thomas Hears who was several years past his prime.
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Re: I'm changing my pick, I now have Hatton beating Pacquiao
May 6, 2009 10:25 PM
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::::::::::::::::::Jones was accused of waiting until the real fighters grew old. You don't remember Larry Merchant complaining he wouldn't fight Hill or McCallum ? Then he splits with dad saying dad held him back and then stepped up.::::::::::::::::::::::
ewashi,
You say that you know the game so I'll try this one on for size.... RJJR and James Toney both fought Mike McCallum to give him paydays as many within Mike's time (Leonard, Hagler, Duran, Hearns who he used to CRUSH @ the Kronk gym daily) would not fight him. Donald Curry, considered a P4P great @ the time stepped up and got KO'D in 4 I think....
Virgil Hill was one of the longest running LHW champions... Not too sure why that was a gimme fight... Roy just made it look that way...
Some point to Hall, Telesco, Gonzales, Harding, Reggie Johnson, De Valle and talk a pile of shit, but Hall and Gonzalez especially gave Dariusz a HARD time with Gonzalez taking his belt... Harding dropped and beat Antonio Tarver in their first bout...
Check your sources son and let me know where RJJR wasn't an ambassador of the sport...
Like Floyd, some folks don't like all that hippity hoppity, RAP, gangsta attitude in black fighters, but who really gives a flock what they think, huh?
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Re: I'm changing my pick, I now have Hatton beating Pacquiao
May 6, 2009 10:12 PM
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Maleante352... You seem like a real fan... Welcome...
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Re: I'm changing my pick, I now have Hatton beating Pacquiao
May 6, 2009 10:07 PM
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> > > Prime Jones woulda punched a hole through
> > > Benn...funny, why didn't Benn fight James
> Toney?
> > I
> > > know Toney wanted to fight him too. There
> are so
> > many
> > > examples of guys not fighting certain guys,
> and
> > you
> > > know? It usually has more to do with
> business
> > than
> > > fear in the way people make it sound.
> >
> > Amen to that Ja...
>
> Thanks for the acknowledgement - means a lot coming
> from a 5K+ poster!
Not at all... You're a welcomed addition, ja!
Hope you have a good night... Catch ya tomorrow
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Re: I'm changing my pick, I now have Hatton beating Pacquiao
May 6, 2009 10:02 PM
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> > Prime Jones woulda punched a hole through
> > Benn...funny, why didn't Benn fight James Toney?
> I
> > know Toney wanted to fight him too. There are so
> many
> > examples of guys not fighting certain guys, and
> you
> > know? It usually has more to do with business
> than
> > fear in the way people make it sound.
>
> Amen to that Ja...
Thanks for the acknowledgement - means a lot coming from a 5K+ poster!
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Re: I'm changing my pick, I now have Hatton beating Pacquiao
May 6, 2009 9:45 PM
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> Prime Jones woulda punched a hole through
> Benn...funny, why didn't Benn fight James Toney? I
> know Toney wanted to fight him too. There are so many
> examples of guys not fighting certain guys, and you
> know? It usually has more to do with business than
> fear in the way people make it sound.
Amen to that Ja...
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Re: I'm changing my pick, I now have Hatton beating Pacquiao
May 6, 2009 9:16 PM
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> Jones lost to McClellan as an amatuer before the
> olympics and would not fight him or Nigel Benn.
> Fought McCallum in 1996. Mac had to be 40, Virgil
> Hill in 1998 was 40, Pazienza old, nevr rematched
> Hopkins who came on at the end of that fight. But he
> did step up eventually but was moving at a snails
> pace for a while/
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> --
> See you at the fights !
Prime Jones woulda punched a hole through Benn...funny, why didn't Benn fight James Toney? I know Toney wanted to fight him too. There are so many examples of guys not fighting certain guys, and you know? It usually has more to do with business than fear in the way people make it sound.
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Re: I'm changing my pick, I now have Hatton beating Pacquiao
May 6, 2009 9:14 PM
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> > Jones lost to McClellan as an amatuer before
> the
> > olympics and would not fight him or Nigel Benn.
> > Fought McCallum in 1996. Mac had to be 40,
> Virgil
> > Hill in 1998 was 40, Pazienza old, nevr
> rematched
> > Hopkins who came on at the end of that fight.
> But he
> > did step up eventually but was moving at a
> snails
> > pace for a while/
> >
> > --
> > See you at the fights !
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>
> Do you know Gerald McClellan had lost two fights,
> , early in his career? Those losses held him
> back....& no one was looking at him to face Jones.
>
> Let me ask you.....when was it that Roy Jones fought
> t James Toney, & where was Toney generally ranked as
> a lb4lber at the time?
>
> I think you aren't sure of Jones' timelines, because
> e there was never an outcry for him to face
> McClellan, McCallum, or really even Benn (except from
> the Brits. Jones would have destroyed Benn,btw)
>
> Back in the 90's, Roy Jones ducked absolutely no
> o one...there was never an issue about, & that's a
> fact.
Indeed, I have been repeating myself how all of the recent great fighters (i.e. Jones and now Mayweather) spent the early parts of their primes facing the best available fighters to boost their resumes/pockets (what else can a fighter do to build his name if he isn't backed by thousands of local fans/a country to get credibility and money early in one's career)...however, as they got vested with the networks, etc., they became more promoters (fighting often decent, yet unspectacular, in order maintain their "Os" and earn as much money while doing it). That's just the nature of the game today fellas/gals.
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Re: I'm changing my pick, I now have Hatton beating Pacquiao
May 6, 2009 8:53 PM
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yes jones did fight mike mccallum and he beat him by decision in 11 of 96 if im corect id have to check that.... but yes jones also beat mike mccallum who is a hall of famer... or should be inducted soon.... he had a 49 3 record at the time...
I DONT JUDGE FIGHTERS BASED ON MY LOVE OR HATE FOR THEM I DONT LOVE OR HATE THEM....I JUST LOVE THE SPORT AND I CALL IT HOW I SEE IT......
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Re: I'm changing my pick, I now have Hatton beating Pacquiao
May 6, 2009 8:50 PM
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I DONT JUDGE FIGHTERS BASED ON MY LOVE OR HATE FOR THEM I DONT LOVE OR HATE THEM....I JUST LOVE THE SPORT AND I CALL IT HOW I SEE IT......
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Re: I'm changing my pick, I now have Hatton beating Pacquiao
May 6, 2009 8:49 PM
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well jones and gerals mcclellan were long time friends at the time i like mcclellan a little more than jones after he waxed the highly regarded ko artist julian jackson for the second time it was a nasty ko at the same time jones had just beaten toney by unanimous and waxed pazienza...supposedly it was supposed to happpen i dont kno if they would have ever fought cause they were such good friends... but sadly mcclellans career ended too soon when he got in the ring against nigell benn and took way to much punishment and luckily he didnt lose his life... its very sad to see him in that... he was vivacious human being in and out the ring a joy to watch... much props to what he did in his short career......
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Re: I'm changing my pick, I now have Hatton beating Pacquiao
May 6, 2009 8:36 PM
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> Jones lost to McClellan as an amatuer before the
> olympics and would not fight him or Nigel Benn.
> Fought McCallum in 1996. Mac had to be 40, Virgil
> Hill in 1998 was 40, Pazienza old, nevr rematched
> Hopkins who came on at the end of that fight. But he
> did step up eventually but was moving at a snails
> pace for a while/
>
> --
> See you at the fights !
Do you know Gerald McClellan had lost two fights, early in his career? Those losses held him back....& no one was looking at him to face Jones.
Let me ask you.....when was it that Roy Jones fought James Toney, & where was Toney generally ranked as a lb4lber at the time?
I think you aren't sure of Jones' timelines, because there was never an outcry for him to face McClellan, McCallum, or really even Benn (except from the Brits. Jones would have destroyed Benn,btw)
Back in the 90's, Roy Jones ducked absolutely no one...there was never an issue about, & that's a fact.
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