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I found this article on Marciano and found it an interesting topic to blog about. Here is another dead era champ who took care of business like the Klitschko's are. Does he warrant a GOAT mention ? 49-0 is impressive but who were the opponents ? Any prime heavies that catapulted to stardom ? Is his white skin working against him ? I'm asking the real fans and more importantly the arm chair historians and guys who may have saw this guy. Give it to me raw. I see his as being good, but great is a whole nother level. http://www.boxingnews24.com/2009/09/rocky-marciano-the-unappreciated-legend/#more-13518
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Re: Marciano- the Greatest ever ???????
Oct 25, 2009 10:08 PM
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> Nice list Jim. I have to pick Holyfield to give him a
> good fight though.
I'd have to agree and the Marciano / Toney
cruiserweight fight that Jack mentioned
would also be interesting as well as that
Patterson / Marciano fight which never
quite happened.
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Re: Marciano- the Greatest ever ???????
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Marciano is an all-timer. He, like RJJ, did his work very impressively at a time where competition wasn't at its peak.
You can't knock him for not fighting anyone..there is nobody really out there.
I rank him just outside my top ten HW of all time.
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Re: Marciano- the Greatest ever ???????
Oct 25, 2009 9:08 AM
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Nice list Jim. I have to pick Holyfield to give him a good fight though.
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Re: Marciano- the Greatest ever ???????
Oct 24, 2009 7:49 PM
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::::::::::::::::::::::Marciano / Dwight "Braxton" Qawi
Marciano / Ossie Ocasio
Marciano / Evander Holyfield
Marciano / David Haye
Marciano / Bobby Czyz
Marciano / Virgil Hill
Marciano / James Toney :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Toney and Holyfield.... Guys with exceptional skills, exceptional chins and deceptive speed.... David Haye has a 50 / 50 chance based on speed and skill imo... Ocasio, Quawi too stationary for Marciano's power and he'd get to them...
Hill would bore him till he lost by a crushing hook from Rocky...
Good list...
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Re: Marciano- the Greatest ever ???????
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Re: Marciano- the Greatest ever ???????
Oct 24, 2009 7:26 PM
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> Marciano not only got "talent and balls", he is
> tough, and possesses explosive hands, to offset his
> lack of slickness/defense. He can take punches from
> Heavies, and naturally, I think he could take from
> Cruiserweights a lot better. Imagine the handicap he
> had while fighting Heavies during his time, weighing
> not more than 190 lbs. and at 5' 10" tall. That's a
> lot of heart on his part. That's why fighting at such
> disadvantage with the Heavies makes him such a
> special and Great fighter. IMO, He wont have a hard
> time with today's Cruiserweights.
I'd have to agree although it's a rather new
division that didn't even exist through much
of my lifetime. That would be interesting.
Marciano / Dwight "Braxton" Qawi
Marciano / Ossie Ocasio
Marciano / Evander Holyfield
Marciano / David Haye
Marciano / Bobby Czyz
Marciano / Virgil Hill
Marciano / James Toney
That makes things entirely different.
Anybody pick Rocky Marciano to lose to any
of the above cruiserweight title holders ?
A Marciano / Patterson fight was considered
at one time as well as Marciano / Johansson
but Rocky gave up that idea in 1959, after
one month in training.
Patterson, btw, would have made the greatest
lightheavyweight had he fought there, imo.
Just look what he did to Archie Moore in '56.
I'd have to give Patterson a good chance with
all of the above as well.
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Re: Marciano- the Greatest ever ???????
Oct 24, 2009 12:26 PM
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> Considering Marciano's size what do you think he'd do
> at Cruiserweight? It's really tough to compare
> Marciano to today's heavyweights because in some
> cases the guy would be up against opponents almost a
> foot taller than him and between 50-80 pounds
> heavier, it would be a very difficult task and
> probably would never happen. I feel Marciano is one
> of the greatest of all times but we can't really
> expect him to have fought in the HW division of
> today. Do I feel he could beat some of the HW's of
> today, yes but I just can't see the guy fighting in
> this division. I'm not trying to downgrade
> Marciano's accomplishments or saying he isn't worthy
> of being called the Greatest ever. I just think
> considering his weight and size I'd like to know how
> people feel he'd do against the greatest
> Cruiserweights.
Now....I could EASILY see him competing with ALL TIME GREAT success, with any of the world's best cruisers: Evander included.
LMAO - I see him totally wiping his ass with David Haye 
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Re: Marciano- the Greatest ever ???????
Oct 24, 2009 11:47 AM
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Marciano not only got "talent and balls", he is tough, and possesses explosive hands, to offset his lack of slickness/defense. He can take punches from Heavies, and naturally, I think he could take from Cruiserweights a lot better. Imagine the handicap he had while fighting Heavies during his time, weighing not more than 190 lbs. and at 5' 10" tall. That's a lot of heart on his part. That's why fighting at such disadvantage with the Heavies makes him such a special and Great fighter. IMO, He wont have a hard time with today's Cruiserweights.
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Re: Marciano- the Greatest ever ???????
Oct 24, 2009 9:40 AM
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Considering Marciano's size what do you think he'd do at Cruiserweight? It's really tough to compare Marciano to today's heavyweights because in some cases the guy would be up against opponents almost a foot taller than him and between 50-80 pounds heavier, it would be a very difficult task and probably would never happen. I feel Marciano is one of the greatest of all times but we can't really expect him to have fought in the HW division of today. Do I feel he could beat some of the HW's of today, yes but I just can't see the guy fighting in this division. I'm not trying to downgrade Marciano's accomplishments or saying he isn't worthy of being called the Greatest ever. I just think considering his weight and size I'd like to know how people feel he'd do against the greatest Cruiserweights.
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Re: Marciano- the Greatest ever ???????
Oct 24, 2009 8:35 AM
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Yeah I can surely see your point tarantadome
and Marciano accomplished quite a bit while he
was in the ring. I just think that weight ought
to figure somehow when we're compiling top
ten or top twenty lists as well as caliber of
opposition......and Ezzard Charles was first
rate P4P.
But you're right in that it's speculative.
Jim, Marciano is a Great Heavyweight fighter, IMO, but not among the top ten.
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Re: Marciano- the Greatest ever ???????
Oct 23, 2009 6:55 PM
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Yeah I can surely see your point tarantadome
and Marciano accomplished quite a bit while he
was in the ring. I just think that weight ought
to figure somehow when we're compiling top
ten or top twenty lists as well as caliber of
opposition......and Ezzard Charles was first
rate P4P.
But you're right in that it's speculative.
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Re: Marciano- the Greatest ever ???????
Oct 22, 2009 11:47 PM
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> Mags, realize something, Marciano was anywhere from
> 185, to 190 in weight, and was 5'-10" . Yes, he was a
> rugged guy, and ya gotta give him his props for being
> the only undefeated heavyweight champ, but in todays
> heavyweight scene, with the size, and strength out
> there......Old Rock wouldn't stand much of a chance.
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> Notice I didn't say "talent & balls"? That's the one
> way Marciano may have beaten some of todays guys. He
> had a lot of both, and today's Prima Dona pussies
> don't. If they weren't born with the balls to fight,
> the fucking things shrink from steroid use. And
> talent????? WTF, jab, clinch,...... jab, hold on for
> dear life,.......jab, clinch again !
I think Rocky could hold his own with todays HW's cuz they suck. LOL! Maybe the Klit Bros would give him some issues.
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Re: Marciano- the Greatest ever ???????
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I don't believe in those imaginary fights were one beats the other would make a boxer Great. It's just a way of assessing a fighter of his talent and ability and his chances of pulling off a win against a fighter from another era. This is just pure theory.
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Re: Marciano- the Greatest ever ???????
Oct 22, 2009 11:22 PM
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> I'd have to balance ring accomplishment along with
> a realization that Lewis is going to be a bigger
> headache for Louis than Buddy Baer or Primo Carnera
> ever was...
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> Jim Earl, you can't realize something if it wont
> actually happen. It's all speculation or just plain
> opinion. Not a fact. Therefore, not a solid basis. As
> the ole' saying goes, "To see is to believe".
OK
I'm having a hard time seeing 185 pound Rocky,
with his perfect ring record against all comers,
mug 245 pound Lennox Lewis even once in the
real world and even if he did.....Lewis was also
hell in the rematches.
So you're saying that by beating these Heavies you mentioned, particularly L. Lewis, is a criteria of becoming Great. This is illogical. First, you can't pit Rocky Marciano with Lewis simply because they weren't born on the same era. Second, Rahman beat Lewis once, yet he didn't become Great. In the real world, Marciano beat all the best opponents the Heavyweight could offer him, and almost all of his fights ended in KO's. That isn't Great to you? That's one hell of an achievement. Just like Ali, Tyson and all the Greats in the Heavyweights. They won most of their fights, and they lost some. Yet they were considered Great. Were they considered Great by boxing aficianados or fans because of those what if's and could've been theories and speculations? Absolutely not. They were all Great because of what they did in the ring during their entire career. That's accomplishment. No more no less.
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Re: Marciano- the Greatest ever ???????
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generally i concur pugs but what i'm saying is that sometimes a little guy stops a bigger guy. in most of those instances, the little guy has a very noticeable edge in speed and i dont see it in marciano. you feel me? somebody might be thinking about mighty dwight qawi who didnt seem particularly fast but was crazy strong and had some fancy inside moves but below heavyweight, there's usually not such a huge weight differential until they started the day before weigh ins anyway.
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