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Which fight boxing fans are eager to watch, Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto?
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 8, 2009 5:28 PM
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> The only thing I can get a little upset at is that
> Floyd is taking a tune up where he isn't really in
> harm's way as a PPV. At least it's a good card.
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> A lot of times, I wish that he and his people had
> found a way to get his comeback fight on regular HBO
> though. Something against a less sexier opponent
> like Delvin Rodriguez or Jesus Karass, but something
> that would have given him relatively similar work and
> been a regular TV fight.
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> But maybe that's just me.
Could you imagine the blacklash SK ?
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 8, 2009 4:48 PM
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The only thing I can get a little upset at is that Floyd is taking a tune up where he isn't really in harm's way as a PPV. At least it's a good card.
A lot of times, I wish that he and his people had found a way to get his comeback fight on regular HBO though. Something against a less sexier opponent like Delvin Rodriguez or Jesus Karass, but something that would have given him relatively similar work and been a regular TV fight.
But maybe that's just me.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 8, 2009 4:44 PM
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> I know Shane is a likeable guy and all. Especially
> after that Korean chick took him for a ride and a
> half and probably drained the sh*t outta his pockets,
> a lot of dudes including me felt bad for the guy. I
> also know that he's a warrior and he done put in
> major work in the sport of boxing. But no matter how
> highly regarded he may be, it still amazes me how
> people give him a pass for being a steroid user and
> possibly making a name for himself in the name of
> Balco.
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> I'm still baffled how people totally turn a blind eye
> to his very questionable career and the steroid use
> that probably got him to where he is today. Just like
> Margs with the plaster, there aint no telling how
> many careers Shane ruined with his roid use. Nobody
> talks about that tho, I'm stunned.
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> Edited by mr908 at 09/08/2009 10:06 AM PDT
908, I think you make a fair and valid point about how most fans have basically turned a blind eye to Mosley's steroid use. And I'll admit, I'm one who basically doesn't hold it against him. But the reason I don't, is because I don't consider him a an all-time great in a P4P sense. Personally, I feel that his roid use started when he jumped from lightweight to welterweight and eventually to 154. And to be perfectly honest with you, since making the jump, his career hasn't been abything to write home about. If you look at his post lightweight career, he's basically only beaten de la Hoya (twice) and recently Margarito. IMO, if de la Hoya wasn't the megastar he was. Shane Mosley would have been irrelevant a long time ago.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 8, 2009 4:34 PM
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> Look Mosley is a great fighter, he jumped up from 135
> directly to 147 to take on Delahoya, and he won. Had
> Delahoya won that one, he would've gotten major
> credit, so what's the problem with Floyd fighting
> JMM??
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> In the old days, there was no 140 division so going
> up fro 135 directly to 147 was the only thing to do.
> So I don't get the whole over-the-top criticism this
> fight is getting.
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> Floyd fought bigger guys for the majority of his
> career. Even at 130, he fought bigger guys as in
> Diego Corrales, who was taller, stronger and all
> that.
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> So how is him fighting a smaller guy for a change a
> problem? If JMM wanted to move up to 147 to win a
> title anyway, Floyd would be the weakest welterweight
> if strength/size was a problem. Cotto, Mosley,
> Margarito, Clottey are all bigger than Floyd.
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> Except it isn't really about size is it? IT's about
> skill and if Floyd wins, it's because he is a more
> skilled. He will not overpower Marquez.
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> Edited by CroatianSensation at 09/08/2009 9:02 AM PDT
Good post Cro.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 8, 2009 4:29 PM
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> JRLF....
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> We shall see what happens, very shortly.
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> So far, I am 2 out of 2 against you in fights in
> n which you predict a left-hook KO of Floyd. Care to
> make a wager....care to make it 3 for 3?
Of course ~ name your poison!
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 8, 2009 4:13 PM
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JRLF....
We shall see what happens, very shortly.
So far, I am 2 out of 2 against you in fights in which you predict a left-hook KO of Floyd. Care to make a wager....care to make it 3 for 3?
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 8, 2009 4:03 PM
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> I have never given JMM much of a chance. As
> s excellent as he is, he is simply too small for
> Floyd, and it's a horrendous style matchup for him.
> He's a counterpuncher who needs several rounds to get
> his stuff woring against AGGRESSIVE guys.....how the
> hell is he gonna be effective against the slickest of
> them all?
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> People are using this weird triangle-ish
> h theory........"if you are actually looking forward
> to Mayweather vs. Pacquiao....then why are you
> dismissing JMM's chances against Floyd. Didn't JMM
> twice almost beat Pacquiao?". Doesn't apply.
You never gave Manny much of a chance against Oscar for the same reason ~ which in this case, also . . . . . . Doesn't apply.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 8, 2009 2:49 PM
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Marquez is definitely a beast... trust me... i think if anything he is underrated... i just dont know about him beating Money Mayweather.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 8, 2009 2:45 PM
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::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::> > It would be too tough for Marquez to outpoint a
> > bigger fast fighter, like Floyd Mayweather.
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> > After all, Marquez got outpointed by a smaller fast
> > fighter named Chris John, the Indonesian... 
> Awesome point for a bigoted fellow...!!! Great point though...
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> And for all who go on about Manny's speed being
> too much for Floyd, remember JMM put a HUGE
> beating on Manny, even in his loses to him...
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> I still predict that IF Floyd gets past the master
> boxer JMM is, he will KO Manny Pacquaio...
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> If Manny meets JMM again, my money's on Juan Manuel Marquez...
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Juan Manuel Marquez had gone a long way from the guy who got scared for a rematch against Pacman after the 3 knock-downs in the first round and went into hiding in Indonesia, but in the process, he lost his title when he got beat-up by Chris John.
Anyway, regardless of the outcome of their respective upcoming fights, Pacman will not go into retirement without putting a closure with a trilogy Pacman vs. Marquez III... ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
I realize that you are always trying to belittle JMM skills in order for you to feel better if / when Floyd beats him saying he wasn't that great... As you mentioned, he got up from THREE pretty devastating knockdowns to pull out a DRAW?????? WOW!!!! That would be a 10 - 7 or worse a 10 - 6 round... He dug himself out of a four round hole by laying a BEATING on Manny...!!!
The truth will be revealed eventually though...
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 8, 2009 2:45 PM
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> Re: The topic of this actual thread.
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> Just watched Mayweather / Marquez 24-7, while at
> work....
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> ROFLMAO @ The dude they got,
> "Imitating" Floyd's style.
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> My god....
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> Marquez's slaughter is looking more and more
> imminent, with each passing week.
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> Floyd looks sharp and ready.....I honestly believe
> that this new re-invigorated
> Mayweather, will be twice as dangerous the the one
> that faced Hatton or DeLahoya.
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> Yeah - No amount of drinking his own
> piss (WTF!?) is gonna save him from
> this one........He's catching a beat
> down.
I have never given JMM much of a chance. As excellent as he is, he is simply too small for Floyd, and it's a horrendous style matchup for him. He's a counterpuncher who needs several rounds to get his stuff woring against AGGRESSIVE guys.....how the hell is he gonna be effective against the slickest of them all?
People are using this weird triangle-ish theory........"if you are actually looking forward to Mayweather vs. Pacquiao....then why are you dismissing JMM's chances against Floyd. Didn't JMM twice almost beat Pacquiao?". Doesn't apply.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 8, 2009 2:45 PM
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Yea that was kinda sad seeing that guy try to imitate Floyd...... sad how this guy is freaking drinking his own piss for the freaking nutrients and vitamins... what a joke. I think it might be a interesting fight... but no way in the world do i see marquez beating floyd.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 8, 2009 2:41 PM
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Re: The topic of this actual thread.
Just watched Mayweather / Marquez 24-7, while at work....
ROFLMAO @ The dude they got, "Imitating" Floyd's style.
My god....
Marquez's slaughter is looking more and more imminent, with each passing week.
Floyd looks sharp and ready.....I honestly believe that this new re-invigorated Mayweather, will be twice as dangerous as the one that faced Hatton or DeLahoya.
Yeah - No amount of drinking his own piss (WTF!?) is gonna save him from this one........He's catching a beat down.
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Edited by GoldenGluvs at 09/08/2009 11:41 AM PDT
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 8, 2009 2:33 PM
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mr908....
I think most people who have followed boxing for a long time do not believe steroids help a boxer.
I seriously doubt Shane Mosley, who was an amateur star at 140lbs....roided in his 135lb days.
Makes little sense.
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Edited by jabsRstiff at 09/08/2009 11:33 AM PDT
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 8, 2009 2:20 PM
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> > > Thats funny and Shane has had problem with
> that
> > > stupid Asian for years.... she is the one
> that
> > fucked
> > > up the Shane vs Judah fight. I would have
> loved
> > to
> > > see Shane beat Judahs ass. But who
> knows...
> > Karma is
> > > a Motha #$#@$#$#@ !!!
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> > The chick is actually pretty witty. A few months
> ago
> > she joined the BS message board and made a
> thread
> > where she takes on everybody who has a problem
> with
> > her. Apparently she reads what people say on
> forums
> > and saw a thread where people were trashing her
> and
> > she decided to respond.
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> oh really was it here on the hbo boxing community?
> thats funny.... i would love to see some of those
> responses.
No BS = boxingscene.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 8, 2009 2:15 PM
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> > Thats funny and Shane has had problem with that
> > stupid Asian for years.... she is the one that
> fucked
> > up the Shane vs Judah fight. I would have loved
> to
> > see Shane beat Judahs ass. But who knows...
> Karma is
> > a Motha #$#@$#$#@ !!!
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> The chick is actually pretty witty. A few months ago
> she joined the BS message board and made a thread
> where she takes on everybody who has a problem with
> her. Apparently she reads what people say on forums
> and saw a thread where people were trashing her and
> she decided to respond.
oh really was it here on the hbo boxing community? thats funny.... i would love to see some of those responses.
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