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Which fight boxing fans are eager to watch, Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto?
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 10:42 PM
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> > Cotto isi definitely an A-class (maybe A-,
> depending
> > on who you ask) fighter. Those guys you
> mentioned in
> > their primes are/were A+. Cotto can beat all
> B-B+
> > fighters (Torres, Corley) and most A- (Pauli
> Maggs,
> > Quintana, Judah) but struggles with
> A-to-A+...nothing
> > to be ashamed of.
> >
> > This just in - Pacquiao ain't your normal
> former
> > flyweight. He's an A+ fighter! LOL
> >
> >
> http://www.fightinsight.com/2009/09/21/do-not-expect-a
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> > -surprise-when-klitschko-meets-arreola/
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> > Edited by jarule2007 at 09/24/2009 7:35 PM PDT
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> Mayweather, a primed Mosley, Tito, a primed de la
> Hoya, Sweet Pea, Leonard, Hearns, Griffith, Robinson.
> How many of those great welterwieghts would you pick
> k Pac to beat in their primes?
Good point. None
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 10:39 PM
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> Cotto isi definitely an A-class (maybe A-, depending
> on who you ask) fighter. Those guys you mentioned in
> their primes are/were A+. Cotto can beat all B-B+
> fighters (Torres, Corley) and most A- (Pauli Maggs,
> Quintana, Judah) but struggles with A-to-A+...nothing
> to be ashamed of.
>
> This just in - Pacquiao ain't your normal former
> flyweight. He's an A+ fighter! LOL
>
> http://www.fightinsight.com/2009/09/21/do-not-expect-a
> -surprise-when-klitschko-meets-arreola/
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> Edited by jarule2007 at 09/24/2009 7:35 PM PDT
Mayweather, a primed Mosley, Tito, a primed de la Hoya, Sweet Pea, Leonard, Hearns, Griffith, Robinson. How many of those great welterwieghts would you pick Pac to beat in their primes?
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 10:34 PM
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> > Hitking,
> >
> > Your not gonna give Cotto credit as an A class
> > welterweight?
>
> He's a good fighter. I call fighters like
> Mayweather, Pacquaio,, B-Hop and Marquez A class
> fighters. I call a primed Mosley RJ and Mosley A
> class fighters. I call a primed Sweet Pea an A class
> fighter. While Cotto is good, he isn't in these
> guys' league. I mean, would an A class welterweight
> would be picked to get KO'd by a former flyweight. I
> don't care how great the former flyweight is.
Cotto isi definitely an A-class (maybe A-, depending on who you ask) fighter. Those guys you mentioned in their primes are/were A+. Cotto can beat all B-B+ fighters (Torres, Corley) and most A- (Pauli Maggs, Quintana, Judah) but struggles with A-to-A+...nothing to be ashamed of.
This just in - Pacquiao ain't your normal former flyweight. He's an A+ fighter! LOL
http://www.fightinsight.com/2009/09/21/do-not-expect-a-surprise-when-klitschko-meets-arreola/
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 10:33 PM
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> > > Hit, CT3 beat me to it; but I was gonna
> post
> > the
> > > exact same thing......... it doesn't take a
> loss
> > to
> > > know a fighter is passed his
> prime.......... Was
> > Roy
> > > in his prime against Tarver?
> >
> > Nobody even whispered that Roy was pass his
> prime
> > until Tarver came on the scene and beat him. Roy
> was
> > coming off one of his greatest victories.
> >
> > From what I remember on these boards back in
> the
> > day.
> > Only me and "maybe" a few others said and knew
> Tarver
> > would win and that he was a bad match up
> > stylistically for Roy Jones.
> >
> > My post's took a lotta heat.
>
> RJJ shoulda pulled a Lennox Lewis (who similarly
> escaped in his last fight against Vitali) and walked
> away unscathed after his squeaker against Tarver. He
> was already past his prime when he fought God-awful
> John Ruiz...and shoulda milked that overrated victory
> for what it was worth, plus his gut-check win against
> Tarver - a fight in which he was clearly debalitated
> by the quick weight loss. He fought Tarver again, and
> basically allowed an above-average/good fighter
> (Tarver) to become a rich man because he caught
> lightning in a bottle. Poor Roy.
>
> http://www.fightinsight.com/2009/09/21/do-not-expect-a
> -surprise-when-klitschko-meets-arreola/
I agree, but if he didn't rematch Tarver, we'd still be hearing his loud ass mouth still bitching about Roy today. Fuck Tarver, I'm glad we don't hear his shit anymore that much (Thanks Bernard!)
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 10:33 PM
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> That ain't right! Cotto is damn sure no Tito but he's
> been willing to fight anyone and has had some great
> wins (some debatable) as a result. But what more can
> you ask of a fighter?
You can't ask for much more from a good fighter. But I expect a lot more from an elite one.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 10:31 PM
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> > Hit,
> > In your opinion,what has Cotto accomplished?
>
> Three paper titles and a rabid fanbase that was
> longing for the next Tito.
That ain't right! Cotto is damn sure no Tito but he's been willing to fight anyone and has had some great wins (some debatable) as a result. But what more can you ask of a fighter?
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 10:28 PM
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> > Hit, CT3 beat me to it; but I was gonna post
> the
> > exact same thing......... it doesn't take a loss
> to
> > know a fighter is passed his prime.......... Was
> Roy
> > in his prime against Tarver?
>
> Nobody even whispered that Roy was pass his prime
> until Tarver came on the scene and beat him. Roy was
> coming off one of his greatest victories.
>
> From what I remember on these boards back in the
> day.
> Only me and "maybe" a few others said and knew Tarver
> would win and that he was a bad match up
> stylistically for Roy Jones.
>
> My post's took a lotta heat.
RJJ shoulda pulled a Lennox Lewis (who similarly escaped in his last fight against Vitali) and walked away unscathed after his squeaker against Tarver. He was already past his prime when he fought God-awful John Ruiz...and shoulda milked that overrated victory for what it was worth, plus his gut-check win against Tarver - a fight in which he was clearly debalitated by the quick weight loss. He fought Tarver again, and basically allowed an above-average/good fighter (Tarver) to become a rich man because he caught lightning in a bottle. Poor Roy.
http://www.fightinsight.com/2009/09/21/do-not-expect-a-surprise-when-klitschko-meets-arreola/
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 10:24 PM
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> > > > Was Mosley in his Prime when he fought
> DLH
> > 1?
> > >
> > > Seeing how he was undfeated, I would say
> yes.
> >
> > That was the best Oscar DeLaHoya I have ever
> > r seen...and Shane put on quite a display in a
> truly
> > fantastic match.
> >
> > Everything came together on that night for
> Shane.
> > . So, I think I view that as the peak of
> Shane's
> > career.
>
> that was around the time, that he claimed to be on
> steroids.
>
> You still claim that they dont' have any
> "positive" effects ?
And damn sure know that 'roids didn't help Vargas one bit!
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 10:00 PM
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> I have told you this before you went off the Pacquiao
> train, and I'll say it again. Both Pacquiao and
> Mayweather are better off fighting each other than
> either of em' facing Mosley.
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> Shane Mosley is a TOUGHER fight for both Pac and
> Floyd, (moreso for Pac, he would get
> flattened). WHICH IS WHY I GIVE FULL CREDIT TO
> COTTO FOR PULLING THAT ONE OFF. I picked Mosley to
> knock him out and he proved me wrong. Mosley might
> get him next time if a rematch happens.
>
> As for Mayweather vs Mosley, Floyd will have the same
> problems with him that he had with Delahoya. He won't
> beat the shit out of him, he won't even outbox him
> the way he did JMM. He will simply outpoint him on
> the scorecards and Mosley will walk out without a
> scratch MORE OR LESS.
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> Edited by CroatianSensation at 09/24/2009 5:44 PM PDT
I agree Cro. Mosley will be a tougher fight for Mayweather than Pac would be. But considering that I don't think Pac would win a round before finally being put outta his misery around the 8th or 9th. That isn't saying a lot.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 9:58 PM
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> Hitking, alright, let's go back to the drawing
> board.......... does JMM have a better resume than
> Cotto?
Yes.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 8:36 PM
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> I'm not hodlign Mosley's losses against him to
> iscredit Cotto. I'm holding them against him because
> he lost the fights. Barerra's recent record coming
> into the Marquez fight was much better than Mosley's.
> Cotto-Mosley was basically a progresson fight for a
> a young fighter. No one really expected Mosley to
> win. And he kept himself relevant by being very
> competitive with Cotto. That's where my issue is
> with the entire welterweight division. Cotto was
> hyped as the next "it" guy. He has he troubles at
> 140, but they excuse that because he was havign
> trouble making weight. WHATEVER! Then he's served
> up a couple big named former champs in Judah and
> Mosley who are clearly on the way out. He doesn't
> beat Mosley like he's expected to. Oh no big deal,
> Mosley must still be great. He gets his ass kicked
> by Margarito. Margarito had plaster wraps, even
> though that has yet to be proven. And even if he
> did, its not not he hadn't gotten his ass kicked
> before then, when he could have possibily been using
> the wraps. I mean, when are we gonna stop making
> excuses for Cotto?
I have told you this before you went off the Pacquiao train, and I'll say it again. Both Pacquiao and Mayweather are better off fighting each other than either of em' facing Mosley.
Shane Mosley is a TOUGHER fight for both Pac and Floyd, (moreso for Pac, he would get flattened). WHICH IS WHY I GIVE FULL CREDIT TO COTTO FOR PULLING THAT ONE OFF. I picked Mosley to knock him out and he proved me wrong. Mosley might get him next time if a rematch happens.
As for Mayweather vs Mosley, Floyd will have the same problems with him that he had with Delahoya. He won't beat the shit out of him, he won't even outbox him the way he did JMM. He will simply outpoint him on the scorecards and Mosley will walk out without a scratch MORE OR LESS.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 7:40 PM
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> Hit only the freaks make that many excuses for
> Cotto. It was quite apparent that moving up in
> weight helped Cotto's beard. When he lost to Tony,
> he simply ran into a determined freak that couldn't
> be hurt. I don't even think about the plaster when I
> think about that fight, Cottto lost simple as that
> but it was a gutty, very good performance by Tony
> that fight. The Clottey fight was a shady
> performance by Cotto, but the gash did make
> difference-it would have for any fighter. He showed
> good heart in that fight. The Paq fight should show
> us where Cotto is really at.
Im with you 100% on that Train. Good post.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 7:37 PM
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> > Hitking,
> >
> > We are comparing Cotto's win over Mosley and
> JMM's
> > win over MAB.
> >
> > But you are downgrading Cotto's win over Mosley
> way
> > too much, because you think Mosley was shot.
> >
> > Mosley in his best day/peak/prime, with all the
> roids
> > he wants to take wouldn't get him a W over
> Winky
> > Wright or Vernon Forrest......... they simply
> had the
> > style to defeat Mosley, plus size.
> >
> > But your holding those losses against Mosley as
> a way
> > to discredit Cotto's win over him.
> >
> > This all started when comparing Cotto's resume
> to
> > JMM's resume........
>
> I'm not hodlign Mosley's losses against him to
> iscredit Cotto. I'm holding them against him because
> he lost the fights. Barerra's recent record coming
> into the Marquez fight was much better than Mosley's.
> Cotto-Mosley was basically a progresson fight for a
> a young fighter. No one really expected Mosley to
> win. And he kept himself relevant by being very
> competitive with Cotto. That's where my issue is
> with the entire welterweight division. Cotto was
> hyped as the next "it" guy. He has he troubles at
> 140, but they excuse that because he was havign
> trouble making weight. WHATEVER! Then he's served
> up a couple big named former champs in Judah and
> Mosley who are clearly on the way out. He doesn't
> beat Mosley like he's expected to. Oh no big deal,
> Mosley must still be great. He gets his ass kicked
> by Margarito. Margarito had plaster wraps, even
> though that has yet to be proven. And even if he
> did, its not not he hadn't gotten his ass kicked
> before then, when he could have possibily been using
> the wraps. I mean, when are we gonna stop making
> excuses for Cotto?
Hit only the freaks make that many excuses for Cotto. It was quite apparent that moving up in weight helped Cotto's beard. When he lost to Tony, he simply ran into a determined freak that couldn't be hurt. I don't even think about the plaster when I think about that fight, Cottto lost simple as that but it was a gutty, very good performance by Tony that fight. The Clottey fight was a shady performance by Cotto, but the gash did make difference-it would have for any fighter. He showed good heart in that fight. The Paq fight should show us where Cotto is really at.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 7:30 PM
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Me and Hitking just had a 2-day debate about this......... I know him quite well, lol
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 7:23 PM
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> Hitking, alright, let's go back to the drawing
> board.......... does JMM have a better resume than
> Cotto?
LOL, you don't know Hitking very well huh? His answer is yes. But I'll let him elaborate on it.
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