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Which fight boxing fans are eager to watch, Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto?
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 9:17 AM
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around and around and around we go!
LOL!
waste of time...
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 9:10 AM
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&> Your comparing MAB's win over passed prime Morales to
> Mosley who fought a PRIME Winky Wright. Do you know
> how big the difference in quality of opponents that
> is? Fighting a PRIME Winky Wright would be throwing
> MAB against Pacquiao again; and we know what would
> happen.
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> I wanna hear other people's opinion on this subject.
> Who fought the tougher competition........
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> Cotto's over Mosley or MAB's over Morales in their
> 3rd fight?
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> Margarito proved he wasn't a bum when he hurt P.Dub
> bad and almost won......... P.Dub was on his A-game
> that night.......... to add to that, he took apart
> Cotto pretty good.
This is what I don't understand 6. You keep saying Morales was past his prime in the Barerra rematch. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. It doesn't matter because he was still performing at an elite level. His last lost before the Barerra rubber match was the Barerra rematch. In between that time, he became the first man to convincingly beat Pauile Ayala, who was a fringe P4P elite himself and The Ring 122 lb champ when he fought Morlaes. And after he lost the Barerra, he turned around in his next fight and beat Pacquaio. That means in a slightly less than three year span. Morales lost two razorthin decisions to a elite fighter in Barerra, although I felt he won the rematch. He beat a fringe P4P elite in Ayala. And he beat another P4P elite in Pac. How do you gather he wasn't still performing at the highest level?
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 8:39 AM
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> If we get into the habit of qualifying victories with
> whether or not the losers werein or past their prime,
> then Oscar didn't do jack in his career. All he beat
> on were 'smaller' opponents and 'pas-their-prime'
> opponents (Chavez, Whitaker, Vargas)
Hey, J.K.........
You and I always had that same view of Oscar.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 8:35 AM
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If we get into the habit of qualifying victories with whether or not the losers werein or past their prime, then Oscar didn't do jack in his career. All he beat on were 'smaller' opponents and 'pas-their-prime' opponents (Chavez, Whitaker, Vargas)
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 8:08 AM
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> That's why I don't get into primes and all that
> bullsh*t. If a mofo is still performing at a high
> level, and he gets his ass kicked, much props to the
> cat that beat him. Hell, I'm pretty sure B-Hop isn't
> in his physical prime. But he' still rated #3 P4P and
> if someone beats him, the win is legit.
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> And exactly why I said I will give you JMM's victory
> over MAB, but you have to give Cotto credit for his
> victory over Mosley........... this is what it all
> goes back too.......... 
Cotto's victory was a squeaker of a decision or a draw though. It wasn't decisive like the whuppin Vernon and Winky put on him.
Either one of those cat's would have given Mosley a 100 rematch's. Cotto I'm not so sure. I doubt it.
Anyhow, I gotta roll otta here now.....................later
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Edited by ziptop at 09/24/2009 5:11 AM PDT
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 8:02 AM
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> Hit, CT3 beat me to it; but I was gonna post the
> exact same thing......... it doesn't take a loss to
> know a fighter is passed his prime.......... Was Roy
> in his prime against Tarver?
Nobody even whispered that Roy was pass his prime until Tarver came on the scene and beat him. Roy was coming off one of his greatest victories.
From what I remember on these boards back in the day.
Only me and "maybe" a few others said and knew Tarver would win and that he was a bad match up stylistically for Roy Jones.
My post's took a lotta heat.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 7:46 AM
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> > I don't know how ya'll gather that Pac has the
> power
> > in negotiations with Mayweather.
> Mayweather-Marquez
> > soldout. And if the PPV does more than 400K
> buys,
> > Mayweather will have outdrawn Pac in their PPV
> fights
> > with all three common opponents (de la Hoya,
> Hatton,
> > Marquez.) And quite frankly, I think
> Pacquaio-Cotto
> > does less than Pacquaio-de la Hoya and
> > Pacquaio-Hatton. Cotto is basically a nobody in
> the
> > mainstream. This will be Pac's first chance in
> since
> > the Marquez rematch to sell a PPV on his own.
> And
> > his trackrecord isn't that good.
> Pacquaio-Marquez II
> > did pretty well (400K.) But aside from that,
> Pac has
> > basically been a PPV flop when carrying the
> promotion
> > by himself.
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> For sure you don't know much what you're talking
> about. Please check your context again.
Post seems correct to me. But, uh If he doesn't know what he's talkin about, then somebody oughta produce the numbers that say otherwise.
That would be nice.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 7:22 AM
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> I don't know how ya'll gather that Pac has the power
> in negotiations with Mayweather. Mayweather-Marquez
> soldout. And if the PPV does more than 400K buys,
> Mayweather will have outdrawn Pac in their PPV fights
> with all three common opponents (de la Hoya, Hatton,
> Marquez.) And quite frankly, I think Pacquaio-Cotto
> does less than Pacquaio-de la Hoya and
> Pacquaio-Hatton. Cotto is basically a nobody in the
> mainstream. This will be Pac's first chance in since
> the Marquez rematch to sell a PPV on his own. And
> his trackrecord isn't that good. Pacquaio-Marquez II
> did pretty well (400K.) But aside from that, Pac has
> basically been a PPV flop when carrying the promotion
> by himself.
For sure you don't know much what you're talking about. Please check your context again.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 7:22 AM
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> Pacquiao's legacy will never be overshadowed by a
> Floyd Mayweather loss no matter how much Floyd cock
> riders will try to say it does. In the court of gobal
> opinion Pac sh*ts on Floyd, as a warrior as an
> embassador for the sport and as an Icon. Even if you
> take out everything that has to do with the sport of
> boxing Pacman will still and forever reign supreme
> over Floyd.
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> I expect Pacquaio to have a bigger display in the
> IBHOF than Floyd no matter what happens from here on
> out.
 Nobody can speak about global opinion. It's sorta funny that you would attempt to do so.
I think both Floyd and Pacquiao are good fighters, with Floyd being a LOT more polished, but I look at this temporary life a little differently than do other people.
I believe in God, so, I don't see OTHER human beings as Icon's. And, I don't care what they achieve.
But I will admit there's a lotta folks who love punkezz Floyd (from what I saw on 24/7 ) "punkezz" is what "some " of you call him isn't it?? And there's also a lotta folks that love him from his OWN community.
The folks who care about him are probably the only folks he cares about, if at all. What do you think??
Does that make them cock riders???
What do you call people who think punkazz Cotto and sissyazz Pacquiao are great ??
Are they cock riders??
A mind is a terrible thing to waste!
That's why I think before I write. anyhow...
I think everybody has a right to have their OWN opinion whether it makes sense or not.
I don't waste my time tryin to get people to believe in what I believe in, but I do advise people to think. There lies the big difference. Folks are gonna believe what ever they wanna believe no matter what I say or what you say.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 24, 2009 3:42 AM
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Bruh, Barerra beat Morales in their rubber match. As for Mosley Koing Plasterman. Who gives a f*ck? What has Margarito ever done other than b*tch about no one will fight him, lose fights, then B*tch about no one will fight him some more, then lose another fight, then beat Cotto's overrated ass. Which takes me back to my original point. If Floyd Mayweather didn't exist, Margarito would be nothing more than than a face first bum with a lot of losses on his record.
Your comparing MAB's win over passed prime Morales to Mosley who fought a PRIME Winky Wright. Do you know how big the difference in quality of opponents that is? Fighting a PRIME Winky Wright would be throwing MAB against Pacquiao again; and we know what would happen.
I wanna hear other people's opinion on this subject. Who fought the tougher competition........
Cotto's over Mosley or MAB's over Morales in their 3rd fight?
Margarito proved he wasn't a bum when he hurt P.Dub bad and almost won......... P.Dub was on his A-game that night.......... to add to that, he took apart Cotto pretty good.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 23, 2009 11:10 PM
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> I think i scored Mosley/Cotto a draw. I would
> definitely pick Mosley in a rematch.
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Indeed, the Mosley vs. Cotto fight was close and could have gone either way.
Nonetheless the good-natured and classy professional that Mosley is, didn't have any complaint at all, but with a smile on his face just moved on and eventually won another welterweight title with a KO victory against Margarito... 
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 23, 2009 10:23 PM
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> You really wanna debate Mosley and MAB? Mosley lost
> to Winky Wright 2x; name me which fighter MAB fought
> that was at Winky's level 3 years prior to his bout
> with JMM?
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> Cotto's win over Mosley should be AT LEAST the same
> or better than JMM's win over MAB......... Especially
> since Mosley KO'd plasterman afterwards and MAB did
> nothing...........
Bruh, Barerra beat Morales in their rubber match. As for Mosley Koing Plasterman. Who gives a f*ck? What has Margarito ever done other than b*tch about no one will fight him, lose fights, then B*tch about no one will fight him some more, then lose another fight, then beat Cotto's overrated ass. Which takes me back to my original point. If Floyd Mayweather didn't exist, Margarito would be nothing more than than a face first bum with a lot of losses on his record.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 23, 2009 8:52 PM
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Not really. Marquez beat an elite fighter in Barerra that hand't lost in over 3 years. Cotto beat a cat that had lost 4 of his last 12. I don't see that parallel.
You really wanna debate Mosley and MAB? Mosley lost to Winky Wright 2x; name me which fighter MAB fought that was at Winky's level 3 years prior to his bout with JMM?
Cotto's win over Mosley should be AT LEAST the same or better than JMM's win over MAB......... Especially since Mosley KO'd plasterman afterwards and MAB did nothing...........
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 23, 2009 5:07 PM
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I think i scored Mosley/Cotto a draw. I would definitely pick Mosley in a rematch.
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Re: Mayweather vs Marquez or Pacquiao vs Cotto
Sep 23, 2009 4:53 PM
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> hit
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> That's where your rigidity of thought hampers your
> logic. Nobody is saying a win is illegitimate unless
> the loser is in their prime.
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> Kevin McBride's win over Mike Tyson is legit. He beat
> Tyson fair and square and made Tyson's corner stop
> it. McBride gets credit.
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> But only an absolute idiot would refuse to
> acknowledge that Tyson was past his prime.
And that's because Tyson had lost two of his last three heading into that fight. Not only had he lost, but he lost to Danny Williams. Who wasn't close to being a top fleight heavyweight.
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