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Re: NBA News,Editorials, and Tidbits !
Nov 7, 2009 9:50 PM
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Allen Iverson is playing good ball but he's not a team player . Me, myself and Iverson.
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Re: NBA News,Editorials, and Tidbits !
Nov 2, 2009 4:47 PM
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Quick NBA math through Sunday's games:
Teams by Possession Neutral Margin i.e. scoring margin adjusted for pace of play and home/road
(offense rank/defense rank)
1. Celtics (7/1)
2. Heat (12/2)
3. Magic (1/23)
4. Nuggets (2/18)
5. Suns (4/14)
6. Wizards (6/11)
7. Sixers (3/20)
8. Mavericks (21/3)
9. Thunder (18/4)
10. Cavaliers (15/7)
11. Spurs (8/16)
12. Hawks (9/13)
13. Blazers (14/10)
14. Rockets (13/12)
15. Lakers (16/6)
16. Jazz (10/21)
17. Pistons (20/8)
18. Bucks (29/5)
19. Raptors (5/28)
20. Clippers (22/15)
21. Timberwolves (23/17)
22. Hornets (17/22)
23. Grizzlies (11/30)
24. Bulls (28/19)
25. Knicks (19/25)
26. Nets (24/26)
27. Warriors (27/24)
28. Kings (26/29)
29. Pacers (25/27)
30. Bobcats (30/9)
Wizards look good - Flip is a terrific coach, his teams just win. Yes, no titles, but he has almost never lost to an inferior team. Cavs right now a lot of standing around and watching LeBron. They need to figure out how to free up shots. They lose because they are so tied to his fortunes, and some days he can only be very good instead of superhuman. They need better late offense so Bron is not forced to do everything.
Story of the first week is not the Celtics, but Carmelo Anthony - check the box scores, wow!
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Re: NBA News,Editorials, and Tidbits !
Nov 2, 2009 4:08 PM
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> > > You just proved to be biased. No way
> in
> > hell would a
> > > guy that won his first title 7 years into
> the
> > game
> > > compare to magic and Bird. Jordan had some
> > fantastic
> > > teammates as well. Fact is, he was a hotdog
> who
> > > finally learned how to play team ball. A
> > fabulous
> > > individual talent who played with the
> second
> > best
> > > player in the league during his title
> runs.
> > Scottie
> > > was a close second. magic and Bird
> together
> > would
> > > have ran the league too. Dennis Rodman ?
> Horace
> > Grant
> > > ? Toni Kukoc ? Magic made his team better.
> >
> > Aren't you from L.A.?
> >
> > Who is biased?
>
> Louisiana ? Of course my family is from there.
The Celtics look fantastic so far this season. Has anybody seen the Cavs or the Magic ?
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Re: NBA News,Editorials, and Tidbits !
Oct 29, 2009 1:30 PM
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> > You just proved to be biased. No way in
> hell would a
> > guy that won his first title 7 years into the
> game
> > compare to magic and Bird. Jordan had some
> fantastic
> > teammates as well. Fact is, he was a hotdog who
> > finally learned how to play team ball. A
> fabulous
> > individual talent who played with the second
> best
> > player in the league during his title runs.
> Scottie
> > was a close second. magic and Bird together
> would
> > have ran the league too. Dennis Rodman ? Horace
> Grant
> > ? Toni Kukoc ? Magic made his team better.
>
> Aren't you from L.A.?
>
> Who is biased?
Louisiana ? Of course my family is from there.
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Re: NBA News,Editorials, and Tidbits !
Oct 28, 2009 6:18 PM
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> You just proved to be biased. No way in hell would a
> guy that won his first title 7 years into the game
> compare to magic and Bird. Jordan had some fantastic
> teammates as well. Fact is, he was a hotdog who
> finally learned how to play team ball. A fabulous
> individual talent who played with the second best
> player in the league during his title runs. Scottie
> was a close second. magic and Bird together would
> have ran the league too. Dennis Rodman ? Horace Grant
> ? Toni Kukoc ? Magic made his team better.
Aren't you from L.A.?
Who is biased?
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Re: NBA News,Editorials, and Tidbits !
Oct 28, 2009 6:14 PM
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Funny...
Jordan won 6 NBA titles (more than Magic or Bird). He was the MVP in all of those 6 NBA finals...
Twice, his team Three-peated, neither Magic, nor Bird teams could do that...
Jordan won 6 titles in 8 years...the two years he didn't win, he wasn't playing basketball...
Magic nor Bird could ever dream of doing that.
And somehow, they are better than Jordan because they got to play with other hall of famers early in their careers and won a championship earlier??
Jordan was an all NBA first team throughout his career. He was in the NBA All defensive FIRST team more times than anyone in the history of the NBA...
Magic was atroucious defensively, and Bird was a 3 time SECOND all defensive team....and even that was somewhat due to how his defensive responsabilities were designed...
This is silly.
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Re: NBA News,Editorials, and Tidbits !
Oct 28, 2009 5:09 PM
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> You just proved to be biased. No way in hell would a
> guy that won his first title 7 years into the game
> compare to magic and Bird. Jordan had some fantastic
> teammates as well. Fact is, he was a hotdog who
> finally learned how to play team ball. A fabulous
> individual talent who played with the second best
> player in the league during his title runs. Scottie
> was a close second. magic and Bird together would
> have ran the league too. Dennis Rodman ? Horace Grant
> ? Toni Kukoc ? Magic made his team better.
There you go changing the argument again silly. Are you really holding Magic individually responsible for the 1980 Lakers winning the title? The Lakers who went 47-35 the year he showed up? The Lakers who had Kareem (who won his 6th MVP that year), Jamaal Wilkes and Norm Nixon? The sad thing is your cockeyed reasoning forces me to sound like I am hating on Earvin the ballplayer (as opposed to say Earvin the TV personality) when I am not.
Michael Jordan did not play with a single Hall of Famer, or Hall of Anything until Scottie showed up. And when things started to click, they had to wait their turn, while one of the great teams of all time did their thing. The Lakers in the 1980s may have been the best team of the decade, but they also had virtually no competition on a year to year basis to get to the finals. In the East, Boston, Philly, Milwaukee, Detroit and Chicago were waging holy hell in their side of the bracket. It took Jordan 7 years to win a title because there were better teams in his conference for about that long. It took Magic 1 year because the Lakers had the best player in the league that season with a great supporting cast (including Magic who emerged as more than that later on) in the easier conference. It took Bird two years because in the second year the most lopsided NBA trade ever made landed on the Celts front door - and it would have been 4 years had the Celtics not found a way to come from 3-1 down against the Sixers.
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Re: NBA News,Editorials, and Tidbits !
Oct 28, 2009 4:53 PM
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You just proved to be biased. No way in hell would a guy that won his first title 7 years into the game compare to magic and Bird. Jordan had some fantastic teammates as well. Fact is, he was a hotdog who finally learned how to play team ball. A fabulous individual talent who played with the second best player in the league during his title runs. Scottie was a close second. magic and Bird together would have ran the league too. Dennis Rodman ? Horace Grant ? Toni Kukoc ? Magic made his team better.
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Re: NBA News,Editorials, and Tidbits !
Oct 28, 2009 2:34 PM
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magic's first season was with the league MVP on his team - people remember the game at center, as they should in 1980, but virtually all the teams magic was on was better than any of the teammate sets Jordan had.
Kareem was a great player went into Magic's career. Magic is arguably the greatest point guard of all time - and certainly the most distinctive with his size. But Jordan > Magic. If you look at since 1980, the list would be something like this:
1. Jordan
2. Magic-Bird ... they started inseparable, they are the closest of friends, really cannot separate them - the perfect leading men for a league that needed them at that moment
3. Shaq ... the best big of his time, though with the injuries and indifference at times, his stats are more a product of accumulation than dominance.
4. Hakeem ... lay their careers side by side and I can't say Hakeem beats out Shaq, but I really want to and for those years Jordan went on sabbatical, he sure seemed that way
5. LeBron ... it seems inane to consider it when he is so young, but it's not inane, not one bit
6. Tim Duncan ... the most understated, but probably the best pure defensive center of his time, even if he likes being called a PF
7. Chris Paul ... his seasons already match the best of Magic, obviously time will tell if it holds up, but he is already that damn good
8. Kobe ... let's move on
9. Karl Malone ... lots of accumulation, not really sure where to put him
10. Isiah Thomas ... the most resplendent little man of his time, even if he is a giant prick
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Re: NBA News,Editorials, and Tidbits !
Oct 28, 2009 12:38 PM
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> > michael did average 32-8-8 for a season on a
> team
> > without great teammates
> >
> > michael > magic, and i love magic ... well as
> much as
> > i can any laker sort of
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> Yeah five Magics beat 5 Michaels is a cute saying but
> I dnt agree with it. Only Advantage Magic truly has
> is size but Michael could rebound very well, and not
> quite the passer Magic is, Jordan was efficient
> except early in his career he chose not to pass the
> ball to his team mates cause he ddnt trust them.
>
> And as far as defense its not a comparison. Magic was
> no where near the defender Jordan was. I say 5 Mikes
> beat 5 Magics but its really apples and oranges. They
> both were great and I loved watching dem both
Ok, Luke. But you know in your heart Magic is the man amd Michael is the machine. Magic matured instantly and learned in one season what took Michael five to learn. There is no I in team but and I in win !
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Re: NBA News,Editorials, and Tidbits !
Oct 28, 2009 10:12 AM
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Michael could shut down ANYONE who played 1-3 on the defensive end...
Magic couldn't guard me...
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Re: NBA News,Editorials, and Tidbits !
Oct 27, 2009 7:40 PM
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> michael did average 32-8-8 for a season on a team
> without great teammates
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> michael > magic, and i love magic ... well as much as
> i can any laker sort of
Yeah five Magics beat 5 Michaels is a cute saying but I dnt agree with it. Only Advantage Magic truly has is size but Michael could rebound very well, and not quite the passer Magic is, Jordan was efficient except early in his career he chose not to pass the ball to his team mates cause he ddnt trust them.
And as far as defense its not a comparison. Magic was no where near the defender Jordan was. I say 5 Mikes beat 5 Magics but its really apples and oranges. They both were great and I loved watching dem both
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Re: NBA News,Editorials, and Tidbits !
Oct 27, 2009 5:10 PM
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michael did average 32-8-8 for a season on a team without great teammates
michael > magic, and i love magic ... well as much as i can any laker sort of
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Re: NBA News,Editorials, and Tidbits !
Oct 27, 2009 5:02 PM
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> > Kobe can't do it unless his big men play well,
> which
> > is the biggest reason I don't understand why
> he's
> > compared to Jordan? Jordan had no big man,
> > whatsoever! He had a bunch of spot holders.
> >
> > I'm sorry, I got off the subject, but it's
> Jordans
> > anniversary so I'm talking about him. Plus I'm
> from
> > Chicago, so I must give one of the best(If not
> the
> > best) player his due!
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> Jordan is the greatest player to lace them up as far
> as I'm concerned but he did have a future hall of
> famer/50 greatest players playin with him.
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> Bynum did not play well at all in the Finals but Pau
> Gasol did in spots. No individual can do it by
> themselves. Not even Jordan, or Russell, or Magic.
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> From Harold Miner, to Vince Carter. They have tried
> to compare so many to Jordan, and while I hate
> comparisons...In the words of Jay-Z when he compared
> himself to BIG.."I'm the closest one
I think Magic was the greatest ever. He made the NBA must see TV.
Jordan was athletic. Magic was all around. 5 Magics beat 5 Jordans. I love them both.
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Re: NBA News,Editorials, and Tidbits !
Oct 27, 2009 4:59 PM
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SK finds 17 syllables on every team:
The West
The East
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