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Re: PacMan vs. David Diaz
Jul 10, 2008 11:50 AM
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I have no problem with the hitman, but he spanned the equivalent of 3 major titles. WW MW LHW. his 4th major title would have been at HW. And at LHW lost his title in his first defense to Iran Barkley. I think he gave it up the first time he won it from andreis to fight at sMW.
He is not in the running.
4 major titles.
Flyweight , bantamweight, featherweight, lightweight.
Now, yes D Diaz's ability can be questioned, but Pacman just got to LW. we don't know what will happen, so to judge him solely on diaz is dumb. once he fights a few fights at LW and a guy like Casamayor, then the chapter can be written on pacman. This was the whole artgument I made. No one has done that after winning the 4th major. Usually they retire, or extrememly carefully select one opponent, who may not even be in the same weight division, but one lower and fights them.
I see no reason to get upset by seeing him do this. some do unfortunately. they are not boxing fans.
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Re: PacMan vs. David Diaz
Jul 10, 2008 9:37 AM
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> and whats the price of rice in china.
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> don't reply to my posts, please. I don't want to
> have to answer the posts of someone so consistently
> off base and in left field.
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If you dropped the condescension, you might actually LEARN something from the people in this forum instead of insisting on remaining secure in your idiocy.
If you are just going to respond with condescension in lieu of an argument, I see no reason to respond to you anyways. Hell, I see no reason to even read your posts. You say nothing worth reading anyways. Those of us who do respond to you are humoring you. Maybe one day you will realize this and adopt a bit more humility.
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Re: PacMan vs. David Diaz
Jul 10, 2008 6:20 AM
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I have no problem with the hitman, but he spanned the equivalent of 3 major titles. WW MW LHW. his 4th major title would have been at HW. And at LHW lost his title in his first defense to Iran Barkley. I think he gave it up the first time he won it from andreis to fight at sMW.
He is not in the running.
4 major titles.
Flyweight , bantamweight, featherweight, lightweight.
Now, yes D Diaz's ability can be questioned, but Pacman just got to LW. we don't know what will happen, so to judge him solely on diaz is dumb. once he fights a few fights at LW and a guy like Casamayor, then the chapter can be written on pacman. This was the whole artgument I made. No one has done that after winning the 4th major. Usually they retire, or extrememly carefully select one opponent, who may not even be in the same weight division, but one lower and fights them.
I see no reason to get upset by seeing him do this. some do unfortunately. they are not boxing fans.
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Edited by cargilb1 at 07/09/2008 6:36 AM PD
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Re: PacMan vs. David Diaz
Jul 10, 2008 6:13 AM
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> carqi
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> Sugar Ray Robinson surpasses all other fighters
> throughout history and today because he defeated more
> of his contemporaries who were themselves, great
> fighters than ANY OTHER FIGHTER.
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> enough on this subject, if you don't understand,
> sorry. 
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> HBO, LETS SEE THE ROUND CARD GIRLS AGAIN!!!!
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> Obama 2008
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> Edited by Fudo_Maiyo at 07/09/2008 10:58 PM PDT
and whats the price of rice in china.
don't reply to my posts, please. I don't want to have to answer the posts of someone so consistently off base and in left field.
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Re: PacMan vs. David Diaz
Jul 10, 2008 1:56 AM
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carqi
Sugar Ray Robinson surpasses all other fighters throughout history and today because he defeated more of his contemporaries who were themselves, great fighters than ANY OTHER FIGHTER.
enough on this subject, if you don't understand,
sorry.
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Edited by Fudo_Maiyo at 07/09/2008 10:58 PM PDT
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Re: PacMan vs. David Diaz
Jul 10, 2008 1:51 AM
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> i know. that why i said his titles
> SPAN the weight classes.
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> after he won the flyweight, he couldnot make the
> weight. guess the additional money helped him eat
> better and his body ballooned up to super
> bantamweight. He skipped the Super flyweight, &
> bantamweight and went right to Super BW.
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>
> I also said MAJOR weight
> classes. that means the original and older
> weightclasses before the breaking up into super and
> jr.
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> there were just 8 or 9 major weight classes before.
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> straw
> fly
> bantam
> feather
> light
> welter
> middle
> light heavy
> and heavy
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> somene else may remember the exact weight classes but
> that is about it .
> but Hearns did well. at least he fought 3 guys up
> there. None of them wouild be of the same level as
> casamayor, though. if manny fights him, and wins
> that is an achievement never seen before in boxing.
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> Edited by cargilb1 at 07/09/2008 9:09 AM PDT
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> Edited by cargilb1 at 07/09/2008 9:13 AM PDT
So you are counting weight classes Manny skipped, not won titles at??? ROFLMAOOOOOOOO
Strawweight came about in the late 80s BTW.
I refer back to this advice to you.
"Rather than be wrong and look like you don't know what you are talking about, wouldn't it be easier to just admit that Tommy Hearns won 5 titles in five weight classes?
Hell, you could even argue that Pacquaio did the same if you count his fight with Barrera. "
You seem to be making up your own criteria for measuring Pacquaio's greatness rather than criteria that is universally accepted and are shocked to learn that people disagree with you.
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Edited by Fudo_Maiyo at 07/09/2008 11:00 PM PDT
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Re: PacMan vs. David Diaz
Jul 10, 2008 1:48 AM
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> > Tommy Hearns won titles at 147, 154, 160, &
> 175.....
> > & at 175 he beat Dennis Andries & Virgil Hill-
> better
> > (especially Hill) fighters than David Diaz.>>>
> >
> > Co-sign
>
> co-sign.
>
> I have no problem with the hitman, but he spanned the
> equivalent of 3 major titles. WW MW LHW. his
> 4th major title would have been at HW. And at LHW
> lost his title in his first defense to Iran Barkley.
> I think he gave it up the first time he won it from
> m andreis to fight at sMW.
>
> He is not in the running.
>
> 4 major titles.
>
> Flyweight , bantamweight, featherweight, lightweight.
>
>
> Now, yes D Diaz's ability can be questioned, but
> Pacman just got to LW. we don't know what will
> happen, so to judge him solely on diaz is dumb. once
> he fights a few fights at LW and a guy like
> Casamayor, then the chapter can be written on pacman.
> This was the whole artgument I made. No one has
> s done that after winning the 4th major. Usually
> they retire, or extrememly carefully select one
> opponent, who may not even be in the same weight
> division, but one lower and fights them.
>
> I see no reason to get upset by seeing him do this.
> some do unfortunately. they are not boxing fans.
>
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> I came
> I saw
> and I conquered
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> Edited by cargilb1 at 07/09/2008 6:36 AM PDT
Are you insane? Seriously.
First you cosign a statement, then try in vain to say why it isn't correct.
Next you, don't count Hearns winning a title at 154 (which he won by beating Wilfred Benitez) because it wasn't a major title? But you credit Pacquaio with a title he never won (bantamweight) rather than a title he did win (Jr. lightweight).
Rather than be wrong and look like you don't know what you are talking about, wouldn't it be easier to just admit that Tommy Hearns won 5 titles in five weight classes?
Hell, you could even argue that Pacquaio did the same if you count his fight with Barrera.
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Re: PacMan vs. David Diaz
Jul 9, 2008 1:30 PM
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> cargilb1 = Mandingo?
ken norton was a good fighter too. love that movie.
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Re: PacMan vs. David Diaz
Jul 9, 2008 1:29 PM
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cargilb1 = Mandingo?
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Re: PacMan vs. David Diaz
Jul 9, 2008 1:29 PM
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i've said if he becomes a legit lw champ, he is one of the best of all time.
YOu probably missed that post. but its out there somewhere. nothing new there.
I hope I do get to see one of the greatest of all time.
one who proves it
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Edited by cargilb1 at 07/09/2008 10:29 AM PDT
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Re: PacMan vs. David Diaz
Jul 9, 2008 1:20 PM
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car....
Just come right out & say it...you think Manny Pacquiao is one of the top 5 fighters of all time.
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Re: PacMan vs. David Diaz
Jul 9, 2008 1:18 PM
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i didi it.
but I always had H armstron as the measuring stick. No shame there.
what MP has done is out done by H armstrong.
This is like saying that only the BABE was a better hitter in baseball history than so and so.
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Re: PacMan vs. David Diaz
Jul 9, 2008 1:13 PM
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> thats too bad. I am glad i caught it. i will
> see his next fight too. he is the only guy in the
> history of boxing to span 5 divisions and actually
> try to fight people in the 5th division he has
> spanned. all others have gone into semi retirement or
> fought blown up fighters from other divisions.
>
> pacman tops sugar ray leonards victory over donny
> lalonde for the lhw title. and rays's phoney LHW
> title was fought for at under the limit.: 167lbs.
> lalonde fought beneath his weight and put up his
> title.
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> ok, this is the post that bothers you?
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> i will change it.
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> all other except henry
> armstrong
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> still a great achievement
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Bothers me ? Not at all. It's the post that needed to be amended...which you say you will do.
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Re: PacMan vs. David Diaz
Jul 9, 2008 1:09 PM
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thats too bad. I am glad i caught it. i will see his next fight too. he is the only guy in the history of boxing to span 5 divisions and actually try to fight people in the 5th division he has spanned. all others have gone into semi retirement or fought blown up fighters from other divisions.
pacman tops sugar ray leonards victory over donny lalonde for the lhw title. and rays's phoney LHW title was fought for at under the limit.: 167lbs. lalonde fought beneath his weight and put up his title.
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ok, this is the post that bothers you?
i will change it.
all other except henry armstrong
still a great achievement
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Edited by cargilb1 at 07/09/2008 10:10 AM PDT
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Re: PacMan vs. David Diaz
Jul 9, 2008 1:06 PM
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> > > > Also....cargil....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Armstrong won those 3 titles, in a
> year's
> > time.
> > > The
> > > > e sanctioning bodies couldn't strip a
> > fighter,
> > > from
> > > > today, quick enough to keep him from
> > holding
> > > them
> > > > simultaneously.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > well, when someone does that we can discuss
> it.
> > > untoil now, the measuring stick for owning
> > titles in
> > > different divs has always been armstrong,
> and
> > this is
> > > the guy everyone is chasing when the go and
> try
> > to
> > > fight in 3 different mmajor weight
> divisions.
> > >
> > > its all good that you use him to measure
> MP.
> > its a
> > > compliment, not a dis.
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> > I wasn't using Armstrong to measure manny...YOU
> said
> > d Manny's accomplishment is unmatched. I just
> > outmatched it.
>
> and looked who you used. even suger ray robinson
> didn't do what armstrong did.
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No one did, & no one ever will. Again, not trying to tear down Manny Pacquiao....just telling you that what you said was incorrect.
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