|
|
This topic has been archived - replies are not allowed.
"...With De La Hoya taller than Pacquiao by four inches, De La Hoya will have to expand his angle wider by 10 or 20 degrees, so he is on target.
Even if De La Hoya changes his style now that his secret is out into the open, both Pacquiao?s trainer, Freddie Roach, and his promoter, Bob Arum of Top Rank, are confident that the GenSan wonder is going to send the former Olympic champion to dreamland.
Roach predicted that his ward is going to knock out the 10-time world champion in the ninth round."
-GMANews.tv
--
"Real champion is not being ruled by emotion"
|
Posts:
12,519
Registered:
4/20/08
|
|
(22 of 37)
Re: Roach predicted that Pacman is going to knockout Oscar in the 9th round...
Oct 18, 2008 4:47 AM
|
That's why on every HBO PPV main event there's always at least one or two Filipinos on undercard because that is one of their marketing strategies. As of now the Philippine National Sport is boxing.
And they are some tough little guys. Their Muy Thai fighters are some of the best I've seen. If they continue to expand their boxing program they could be a legitimate force in the lighter weights in years to come and get right in the mix with the PR's and Mex's.
--
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and over fifty for Miss America ?
|
|
|
Posts:
501
Registered:
3/10/08
|
|
(21 of 37)
Re: Roach predicted that Pacman is going to knockout Oscar in the 9th round...
Oct 18, 2008 4:39 AM
|
> I agree completely. In fact I get a kick out reading
> these guys posts. And the last few years the
> Filipinos have been producing some pretty solid
> fighters.
>
That's why on every HBO PPV main event there's always at least one or two Filipinos on undercard because that is one of their marketing strategies. As of now the Philippine National Sport is boxing.
--
"Real champion is not being ruled by emotion"
|
|
|
Posts:
12,519
Registered:
4/20/08
|
|
(20 of 37)
Re: Roach predicted that Pacman is going to knockout Oscar in the 9th round...
Oct 18, 2008 1:44 AM
|
nuttin wrong with that. its another audience that will help boxing interest spread wortld wide.
A lot of asians in general also get interested when pacman fights too.
I agree completely. In fact I get a kick out reading these guys posts. And the last few years the Filipinos have been producing some pretty solid fighters.
--
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and over fifty for Miss America ?
|
|
|
Posts:
3,597
Registered:
10/23/05
|
|
(19 of 37)
Re: Roach predicted that Pacman is going to knockout Oscar in the 9th round...
Oct 17, 2008 1:01 PM
|
> > Yeah right GunRunner! But I think most people
> will
> > buy this fight because of curiousity. Pacman
> mania
> > will patronize this of course because of
> excitement.
> > I'm learning something of this fight.
> >
> > --
> > "Real champion is not being ruled by emotion"
>
> That's an understatement. When Pacman fights boxing
> boards get inundated with Filipino posts. You can't
> get a word in edgewise.
>
> --
> How come we choose from just two people to run
> for president and over fifty for Miss America ?
nuttin wrong with that. its another audience that will help boxing interest spread wortld wide.
A lot of asians in general also get interested when pacman fights too.
--
I came
I saw
and I conquered
|
|
|
Posts:
12,519
Registered:
4/20/08
|
|
(18 of 37)
Re: Roach predicted that Pacman is going to knockout Oscar in the 9th round...
Oct 17, 2008 11:32 AM
|
> Yeah right GunRunner! But I think most people will
> buy this fight because of curiousity. Pacman mania
> will patronize this of course because of excitement.
> I'm learning something of this fight.
>
> --
> "Real champion is not being ruled by emotion"
That's an understatement. When Pacman fights boxing boards get inundated with Filipino posts. You can't get a word in edgewise.
--
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and over fifty for Miss America ?
|
|
|
Posts:
501
Registered:
3/10/08
|
|
(17 of 37)
Re: Roach predicted that Pacman is going to knockout Oscar in the 9th round...
Oct 17, 2008 4:00 AM
|
Yeah right GunRunner! But I think most people will buy this fight because of curiousity. Pacman mania will patronize this of course because of excitement. I'm learning something of this fight.
--
"Real champion is not being ruled by emotion"
|
|
|
Posts:
12,519
Registered:
4/20/08
|
|
(16 of 37)
Re: Roach predicted that Pacman is going to knockout Oscar in the 9th round...
Oct 15, 2008 11:23 PM
|
That was a good post Tszyunami and pretty much in line with what most boxing experts and fans are predicting will happen. But a great small man can beat a once great bigger man. It has been done before. In fact a once great smaller man beat a great bigger man when Duran beat Barkley. Now that the tables are turned the odds for Manny should be more favorable. If Manny gets KO'd in three rounds I wouldn't be a bit surprised. I would also not be surprised to see him win a 12 rd SD. History does repeat itself. That's what Oscar is counting. That enough people will be into the theory that Manny has a chance and buy the fight anyway despite the obvious mismatch. One never knows.
--
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and over fifty for Miss America ?
|
|
|
Posts:
5,955
Registered:
9/22/07
|
|
(15 of 37)
Re: Roach predicted that Pacman is going to knockout Oscar in the 9th round
Oct 15, 2008 10:45 PM
|
Great post tszyunami!!!
--
"To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also dream; not only plan, but also believe." ~Andre Gide
|
|
|
Posts:
3,101
Registered:
3/20/06
|
|
(14 of 37)
Re: Roach predicted that Pacman is going to knockout Oscar in the 9th round...
Oct 15, 2008 10:21 PM
|
De La Hoya-Pacquiao is a weighty issue
By Thomas Hauser
Special to ESPN.com
Some experts are having a tough time believing Oscar De La Hoya's fight with Manny Pacquiao will be one for the time capsule.
The promotional spots for the Dec. 6 mega fight between Oscar De La Hoya and Manny Pacquiao proclaim, "Pacquiao is younger and faster. De La Hoya is stronger and more experienced."
There's no mention of the adjective that most likely will determine the outcome of the fight. De La Hoya is bigger. Much bigger.
Pacquiao began his professional career as a junior flyweight (106 pounds). He has been knocked out twice by men weighing 112 pounds -- in 1996 and 1999. Obviously, he has gotten better since then. But until 2008, he'd never competed above the junior lightweight level.
De La Hoya has fought at weights as high as 160 pounds. Generally on fight night, he refuses to get on the "unofficial HBO scale." But Freddie Roach, who trained De La Hoya for his fight against Floyd Mayweather and has been training Pacquiao, says that De La Hoya gained 10 pounds after weighing in at 154 to face Mayweather. Roach expects a similar gain on Dec. 6; maybe more because Oscar will be drying out more to make the contract weight of 147 pounds.
The disparity in weight between De La Hoya and Pacquiao has led to complaints that boxing's Golden Boy is buying a gold-plated mismatch. Oscar is in danger of being seen as a school-yard bully who, after having lost to fighters his own size, is now picking on tough little guys.
Manny Pacquiao brings an intense attack to the ring, but will it be enough to overcome the much larger Oscar De La Hoya?
Roach says that Pacquiao will win with speed and that the weight differential (an expected 15 pounds on fight night) "won't be that important."
But Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer concedes that weight is an issue. "You have two camps," he said on Aug. 5. "The camp which is against the fight seems to be bigger than the one for it."
That balance can be expected to change as a consequence of the high-powered marketing campaign that has been put in place for the fight. But at the moment, critics abound.
The two best welterweights in the world at present are Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito. Each man has expressed an interest in fighting De La Hoya, but it would appear that Oscar has no intention of fighting either one of them.
"Oscar will stop Manny within three rounds," said Williams. "I don't want to take anything away from Pacquiao, but his punches won't hurt De La Hoya. Manny is just too small, and Oscar is just too big. That's why we have the different weight classes. The size and weight difference makes it a bad fight."
Margarito is more scornful.
"Now Oscar is getting brave with a 135-pound fighter and is trying to convince everyone that it's a tough fight," Margarito said. "He's getting brave with a great fighter, but a fighter who fights at 135 pounds. He wants to show the world that he can pull the trigger against a 135-pounder. What a man! What a hero!"
WBC president Jose Sulaiman also has gotten into the act.
"What are they going to do?" Sulaiman has asked. "Stuff Manny with tamales and beans, and reduce Oscar in the steam bath to bring them together? It's ridiculous. It's absurd. It's a fraud to the public. The only reason why the fight was made was money."
One presumes that the WBC will not be receiving a sanctioning fee for De La Hoya-Pacquiao.
Weighty matters
Yearly breakdown of fighters' weights
Year De La Hoya Pacquiao Differential
1995.......135...........108...........27
1996.......140...........113...........27
1997.......145...........113...........32
1998.......147...........113...........34
1999.......147...........116...........31
2000.......147...........120...........27
2001.......154...........121...........33
2002.......154...........121...........33
2003.......154...........124...........30
2004.......158...........125...........33
2005........N/A..........130...........N/A
2006.......153...........129...........24
2007.......154...........129...........25
2008.......150...........132...........18
How relevant is the weight differential?
One of the reasons why De La Hoya ended negotiations with Felix Trinidad for a rematch this year was Trinidad's refusal to come down to 160 pounds (Oscar's previous high). The discrepancy in size between De La Hoya and Pacquiao is significantly greater than the difference between De La Hoya and Trinidad, who fought Roy Jones at 170 pounds in January.
De La Hoya is the size of an average man. Pacquiao started his career 21 pounds below weight for a jockey in the Kentucky Derby. The chart above demonstrates their true difference. It lists the average comparative weight each man has fought at since 1995 (the year Pacquiao turned pro) and the differential between them on an annual basis. There is no 2005 entry for Oscar because he was inactive that year.
De La Hoya was, is, and always will be a much larger man than Pacquiao. Would anyone match Pacquiao against Paul Williams or Antonio Margarito?
Ultimately, curiosity and marketing will sell De La Hoya-Pacquiao. Manny's skill and determination will salvage it as entertainment. But the matchup will be competitive only if Oscar has nothing left as a fighter. Boxing's Golden Boy might not be able to pull the trigger like he used to. But he isn't so far gone that he can't beat an opponent whose natural weight is 20 to 30 pounds less than his own.
De la Hoya versus Pacquiao isn't what boxing needs to become a great and popular sport again.
|
|
|
Posts:
580
Registered:
5/22/08
|
|
(13 of 37)
Re: Roach predicted that Pacman is going to knockout Oscar in the 9th round...
Oct 15, 2008 8:03 PM
|
|
Never mind...
|
|
|
Posts:
580
Registered:
5/22/08
|
|
(12 of 37)
Re: Roach predicted that Pacman is going to knockout Oscar in the 9th round...
Oct 15, 2008 8:02 PM
|
|
You still alive Tan?
|
|
|
Posts:
580
Registered:
5/22/08
|
|
(11 of 37)
Re: Roach predicted that Pacman is going to knockout Oscar in the 9th round...
Oct 15, 2008 8:01 PM
|
Looks like more posts disappeared..... 
|
|
|
Posts:
3,436
Registered:
2/23/08
|
|
(10 of 37)
Re: Roach predicted that Pacman is going to knockout Oscar in the 9th round
Oct 15, 2008 6:58 PM
|
Looks like Roach is playing his part in this promotion.
No way Pacquiao even hurts Delahoya unless the Golden Boy decides to take a dive and go on to make more money in a Hatton/Pacquiao matchup.
|
|
|
Posts:
580
Registered:
5/22/08
|
|
(9 of 37)
Re: Roach predicted that Pacman is going to knockout Oscar in the 9th round
Oct 15, 2008 2:08 PM
|
> WTF happen to my post? Well in any case. Step on the
> Roach if you see him.
>
> --
> "To accomplish great things, we must not only act,
> but also dream; not only plan, but also believe."
> ~Andre Gide
LOL. I seen your post yesterday Tan. That crap happened to me a few times. My posts just vanish.
|
|
|
Posts:
12,519
Registered:
4/20/08
|
|
(8 of 37)
Re: Roach predicted that Pacman is going to knockout Oscar in the 9th round...
Oct 14, 2008 8:41 PM
|
You boys need to understand something. HBO needs to pump up this fight to pay the ridiculous wages Oscar is demanding. If you go around bad mouthing Oscar and some uninformed newbie comes around he might read it and pass it on to his friends who in turn pass it on their friends who pass it on etc etc. The next thing you know you have a nation of people dissing Oscar in epidemic proportions. Hold your tongue and speak not ill of Oscar until the fight has sold out and millions have been made then your posts will no longer be deleted.
--
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and over fifty for Miss America ?
|
|
|
|
|
