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A pure boxer vs. a volume puncher as I see it.
I wouldn't sleep on Martinez though, I give Paul the edge, but Martinez will be no stroll in the park.
Paul's natural attributes are enough to give any fighter complications, but if Martinez fights smart he'll use his speed, overall movement, and accuracy to offset Paul's reach, height, and volume advantage to give Paul fits, which I've never seen from Paul.
Martinez has a rough night, endurance will Martinez's "X" factor IMO down the championship rounds if he makes it that far.
Paul will simply punch, punch, and punch some more.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Paul Williams
Nov 11, 2009 3:13 PM
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> Tanalyst, as i stated in my thread topic,
> endurance will be Martinez's "X" factor IMO down
> the championship rounds if he makes it that far.
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> That's probaly what its going to boil down to.
He seems to be the kind of guy that can make it to the finish line as long as he's the faster guy that is basically in control of the match. From what I heard last time he was really pressured really hard he cracked and got his 1 loss to the now infamous cheating Mohawkish Mullet.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Paul Williams
Nov 11, 2009 3:04 PM
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Tanalyst, as i stated in my thread topic,
endurance will be Martinez's "X" factor IMO down the championship rounds if he makes it that far.
That's probaly what its going to boil down to.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Paul Williams
Nov 11, 2009 2:40 PM
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I think this has the potential to be like Williams-Quintana 3. Take that however you want it. It could be more like the 1st or more like the 2nd. I'm predicting more of a hybrid version though. Where it starts off closer contested then you think. Then POW right in the kisser. At that point we get are answer about Martinez. Does he really have the stuff or no.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Paul Williams
Nov 11, 2009 7:56 AM
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> Willaims can handle a lefty, as we saw against
> t Winky. It's not Martinez's stanc that is awkward,
> it's his movement, angles, just his style. Joe
> Calzaghe's speed and stance are problematic, but it's
> his attack and movement that are unlike anything his
> foes are accustomed to. Martinez is a poor man's
> Calzaghe.
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> I think Williams wins this one, but has some
> e trouble. Pavlik was more dangerous to Williams- the
> size and the big punch. But, I saw Willaims
> completely nullifying what Pavlik threw his way.
> Martinez is not as dangerous, but is definitely more
> of a puzzle.
Very well put IMO... I couldn't put my finger on Martinez, but poor man's Calzaghe is it.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Paul Williams
Nov 11, 2009 7:55 AM
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> > Gluvs, I don't think you have to defend Paul
> Williams
> > so hard. It's pretty clear that he has the
> right
> > attitude about taking on opponents and he's
> about the
> > most likeable guy in the sport.
> >
> > I think you're a little shell-shocked from
> keeping
> > Floyd's back all these years! 
> >
> > --
> > Edited by NeutralCorner at 11/11/2009 4:33 AM
> PST
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> Not at all!
>
> However - alot of the regulars here, like to change
> their rhetoric after viewing things in retrospect.
>
> Just my way of keeping people honest 
>
Let the record reflect!
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Paul Williams
Nov 11, 2009 7:35 AM
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> > > With all the indecisiveness flying around
> where
> > the
> > > outcome of this fight is concerned, I can
> > safely
> > > assume that the concensus is:
> Martinez is
> > a
> > > viable and worthy matchup for Williams,
> that
> > > shouldn't get knocked as an opponent once
> > Williams
> > > beats his ass ?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Edited by GoldenGluvs at 11/11/2009 4:23 AM
> PST
> >
> >
> > Yes. I don't like the way Martinez fights, but
> do
> > o acknowledge he's a difficult opponent.
>
>
> Jabs (or anyone else w/ a solid opinion)....With both
> men being south paws, what kind of bad/awkward
> situations could they be looking at ?
>
> I understand that a conventional fighter and a
> southpaw run a greater risk of stepping on lead feet
> and head clashes (was ALWAYS told to be on the
> lookout/prepared for that).
>
> But never thought about what problems two southpaws
> could face.
>
> I never faced another leftie my entire time in or out
> of the service.....always wondered what negatives
> come with it (other than having to circle the
> opposite direction and watching for jabs from the
> opposite hand) ?
>
> --
> Edited by GoldenGluvs at 11/11/2009 4:31 AM PST
Therein lies the negative....something coming at you that you're not accustomed to. It doesn't matter that it's coming at you the same way you go at them....you'll have to adjust to the different attack.
Willaims can handle a lefty, as we saw against Winky. It's not Martinez's stanc that is awkward, it's his movement, angles, just his style. Joe Calzaghe's speed and stance are problematic, but it's his attack and movement that are unlike anything his foes are accustomed to. Martinez is a poor man's Calzaghe.
I think Williams wins this one, but has some trouble. Pavlik was more dangerous to Williams- the size and the big punch. But, I saw Willaims completely nullifying what Pavlik threw his way. Martinez is not as dangerous, but is definitely more of a puzzle.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Paul Williams
Nov 11, 2009 7:34 AM
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> Gluvs, I don't think you have to defend Paul Williams
> so hard. It's pretty clear that he has the right
> attitude about taking on opponents and he's about the
> most likeable guy in the sport.
>
> I think you're a little shell-shocked from keeping
> Floyd's back all these years!
>
> --
> Edited by NeutralCorner at 11/11/2009 4:33 AM PST
Not at all!
However - alot of the regulars here, like to change their rhetoric after viewing things in retrospect.
Just my way of keeping people honest
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Paul Williams
Nov 11, 2009 7:32 AM
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Gluvs, I don't think you have to defend Paul Williams so hard. It's pretty clear that he has the right attitude about taking on opponents and he's about the most likeable guy in the sport.
I think you're a little shell-shocked from keeping Floyd's back all these years!
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Paul Williams
Nov 11, 2009 7:29 AM
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> > With all the indecisiveness flying around where
> the
> > outcome of this fight is concerned, I can
> safely
> > assume that the concensus is: Martinez is
> a
> > viable and worthy matchup for Williams, that
> > shouldn't get knocked as an opponent once
> Williams
> > beats his ass ?
> >
> > --
> > Edited by GoldenGluvs at 11/11/2009 4:23 AM PST
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> Yes. I don't like the way Martinez fights, but do
> o acknowledge he's a difficult opponent.
Jabs (or anyone else w/ a solid opinion)....With both men being south paws, what kind of bad/awkward situations could they be looking at ?
I understand that a conventional fighter and a southpaw run a greater risk of stepping on lead feet and head clashes (was ALWAYS told to be on the lookout/prepared for that).
But never thought about what problems two southpaws could face.
I never faced another leftie my entire time in or out of the service.....always wondered what negatives come with it (other than having to circle the opposite direction and watching for jabs from the opposite hand) ?
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Paul Williams
Nov 11, 2009 7:26 AM
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> With all the indecisiveness flying around where the
> outcome of this fight is concerned, I can safely
> assume that the concensus is: Martinez is a
> viable and worthy matchup for Williams, that
> shouldn't get knocked as an opponent once Williams
> beats his ass ?
>
> --
> Edited by GoldenGluvs at 11/11/2009 4:23 AM PST
Yes. I don't like the way Martinez fights, but do acknowledge he's a difficult opponent.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Paul Williams
Nov 11, 2009 7:22 AM
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With all the indecisiveness flying around where the outcome of this fight is concerned, I can safely assume that the concensus is: Martinez is a viable and worthy matchup for Williams, that shouldn't get knocked as an opponent once Williams beats his ass ?
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Paul Williams
Nov 10, 2009 5:24 PM
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> But in the end P. Williams is a whole different test.
A completely different test. I agree.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Paul Williams
Nov 10, 2009 4:16 PM
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Martinez actually KO'd Cintron.
Cintron was hit so fast or hard Cintron believed he was head butted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQzXjMmb7w0
but for the most part Cintron did get outboxed and Martinez got robbed with a draw.
But in the end P. Williams is a whole different test.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Paul Williams
Nov 10, 2009 4:05 PM
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> This one is a difficult one to pick. I usually just
> immediatly go with my gut when it comes to picking
> fight, but on liverpuncher this is by far the longest
> I've waited to make a pick on a fight. I'm just not
> quite sure, the safe pick is Williams ofcourse, but I
> get the feeling that he could possibly be outboxed
> the same way he was against Quintana. I know he's
> looked great lately, but he hasn't faced anyone that
> could outbox him, and Martinez definitely can.
Martinez couldnt even outbox Cintron.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Paul Williams
Nov 10, 2009 4:04 PM
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> Evel Knievel "Vowed" to clear the Snake River Canyon,
> also....
Oscar said he was gonna KO Manny too.
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