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How great is the super six tournament for boxing?Who do you think the winner will be?
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(465 of 810)
Oct 18, 2009 4:24 PM
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> > With that being said...I may not like Wlad as a
> > fighter..but..my humane side would never condone
> him
> > receiving a sledge shot to the back of his
> Ukranian
> > Cranium 
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> LMAO @ Ukranian Cranium!!!!
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> My  was for the lack of outrage when Sam Peter was
> not only NOT PENALIZED, but GIVEN 2 POINTS via KDs
> for cracking the backing on the
> Ukranian Cranium.
Dude....Froch was doing that sh*t for 12 rounds, w/ ZERO penalties. I can't even compare the two.
That one chopping/sledge hammer blow, sealed it for me....Whether it would've been perceived as "classless" or not, I'd have taken those gloves off and knocked his f*cking teeth out, post fight.
Oh - BTW - I never watched that Peter - Wlad fight.
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Oct 18, 2009 4:09 PM
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> With that being said...I may not like Wlad as a
> fighter..but..my humane side would never condone him
> receiving a sledge shot to the back of his Ukranian
> Cranium
LMAO @ Ukranian Cranium!!!!
My was for the lack of outrage when Sam Peter was not only NOT PENALIZED, but GIVEN 2 POINTS via KDs for cracking the backing on the Ukranian Cranium.
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Oct 18, 2009 4:04 PM
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Well said, Six. I had a round or two more for Direll, but agree that some of those rabbit punches were self-inflicted to some extent. The bad ones DEFINITELY should have been penalized and... IMMEDIATELY.
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Oct 18, 2009 2:16 PM
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Taylor/Abraham was a good competitive bout, I had it about even heading into the 12th. That KO was unexpected and caught me off guard......... I hope Taylor the best. I think Taylor should drop out of this tourney and let Green come in to replace him........
As for the Dirrell/Froch bout, I scored the bout 7 rounds to 5 for Dirrell, and with the point deduction, a one-point contest............ Froch should have been deducted 2 points; 1 for hitting after the break, and 1 for rabbit punching. I don't blame Froch for some of the rabbit punches, as Dirrell turned his head; but there were too many rabbit punches that had nothing to do with Dirrell; but just Froch being a dirty fighter.
And the ref for Froch/Dirrell needs to be fired.......... don't wanna see that moron in boxing ever again.
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Oct 18, 2009 2:08 PM
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Looking at the IBO top 100 (a good, if obscure reference source) -
http://www.iboboxing.com/rankings/168.html
- it seems to me that they did a pretty good job of including a mix of the best fighters (usually europeans in this division, I'm afraid) and the best America has to offer. Remember, Showtime is mainly interested in providing content for American audiences, so you know they were looking at having at least half the field be american.
They included the top 3 and had to go down to spots 13 & 15 to find some decent American counterweights. They rounded out the field with A-Ham, who is moving up from 160, where he is #2. That's pretty freakin' good.
Yes, Allan Green got leap-frogged in favor of the 'Andres,' but I can't really make a big deal about it, given the difficulty to make fights between the best nowadays.
Out of the fighters on the list that got left out, though, who really could say that they definitely belong in the tourney? Let's say they had the choice of including Bute, Bika, Andrade, Balzsay, Stieglitz, Inkin or Green? Bute or Andrade would have worked, but they were already planning a rematch on HBO, so wasn't gonna happen (it would have been cool to have a mexican/american in the mix, too). Bika? No way. Too much risk, too little reward - now that guy is rough. He is the Cameroonian Carl Froch. And they weren't gonna put in the three more europeans, I don't think, for fear of making it a euro-sausage-fest.
So that leaves Green. It probably would have been best to include him from the beginning. But who would you replace? Taylor? If dinero is what drives the decisions, then it would be foolish to replace Taylor, a bona fide draw, and arguably the biggest name in the tourney, american or otherwise.
That leaves the 'Andres.' I believe the reason the Andres won out is because they were undefeated and they had that Olympic medal pedigree. And, if you think about it, Green's lone loss came by way of Miranda, who has 3 losses courtesy of 2 of the Super-6 participants - A-Ham (twice) and Dre-Dub (once). Using the 'A beats B, B beats C, so A beats C' heuristic, then Green < Miranda < Ward & Abraham. So, if Miranda wasn't in, then Green definitely wasn't going to be included.
That may all change now that Jermain Taylor managed to get himself knocked into next week.
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Oct 18, 2009 12:32 PM
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> > Abraham always come into the ring sporting the
> > Freddie Mercury line.
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> Perhaps we should start calling him "QUEEN" Arthur
> then?
On a roll, Zoo
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Oct 18, 2009 12:31 PM
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> After knocking out Jermain Taylor,
> he should've knocked out his German Tailor.
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Oct 18, 2009 11:50 AM
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I hope Taylor will be alright. Has a bad concussion from the punch and then smashing his head on the canvas didn't help either.
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Oct 18, 2009 11:44 AM
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Its alot better than coming to to ring with a bunch of friggin Smurfs like he used to.
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Oct 18, 2009 11:37 AM
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No kidding mate. Was King Arthur observing Halloween
> early? The costume he wore into and out of the ring
> screamed "GAY!". After knocking out Jermain Taylor,
> he should've knocked out his German Tailor.
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LMAO !
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Oct 18, 2009 11:32 AM
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> Abraham always come into the ring sporting the
> Freddie Mercury line.
Perhaps we should start calling him "QUEEN" Arthur then?
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Oct 18, 2009 11:04 AM
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> > I am curious, however, if there is a shop in
> > Germany where they sell clown pants and boxing
> > equipment. Maybe Team Abraham needs to be a
> little
> > more label conscious... And WTF is up with the
> > Cowardly Lion costume? There were some major
> > wardrobe issues in that corner.
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> No kidding mate. Was King Arthur observing Halloween
> early? The costume he wore into and out of the ring
> screamed "GAY!". After knocking out Jermain Taylor,
> he should've knocked out his German Tailor. He was
> having wardrobe malfunctions left and right. Besides
> his trunks coming undone, his hat was all fucked up
> in the back. Thankfully the night went well insofar
> as results.
Abraham always come into the ring sporting the Freddie Mercury line.
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Oct 18, 2009 11:02 AM
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> I am curious, however, if there is a shop in
> Germany where they sell clown pants and boxing
> equipment. Maybe Team Abraham needs to be a little
> more label conscious... And WTF is up with the
> Cowardly Lion costume? There were some major
> wardrobe issues in that corner.
No kidding mate. Was King Arthur observing Halloween early? The costume he wore into and out of the ring screamed "GAY!". After knocking out Jermain Taylor, he should've knocked out his German Tailor. He was having wardrobe malfunctions left and right. Besides his trunks coming undone, his hat was all fucked up in the back. Thankfully the night went well insofar as results.
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Oct 18, 2009 10:58 AM
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> > > > IF YOU EXCESSIVELY HOLD & DUCK TOO
> LOW
> > DURING
> > > A
> > > > BOUT, SHOULD I AS A COMPETITOR HAVE
> THE
> > RIGHT
> > > TO
> > > > BLAST YOU IN THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD,
> > REPEATEDLY
> > > DURING
> > > > A FIGHT ? YES OR NO ?
> > > >
> > > > Point deductions, or
> disqualifications.
> > Bending
> > > over
> > > > like that and leaving yourself
> exposed
> > amounts
> > > to
> > > > turning your back.
> > >
> > > Yes it does.
> > >
> > > But again: Does it give me
> justification
> > to
> > > throw a blow to the back of your head?
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> >
> > Nope.
>
> Thank You for manning up on that...seems to be
> rare round these parts.
The ref should have taken a point from Froch, and also warned Dirrell for the bending over bit. Dangerous on both parts.
Froch employed many dirty tactics in that fight...choke holds, hitting during the break, behind the head in the clinch, etc.
Dirrell deserved to have a point taken for the holding...but Froch deserved to have a point (or more) taken as well.
The ref was unable to establish any order in that bout.
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Oct 18, 2009 10:57 AM
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> And yes...That was the most inept ref, I've ever seen
> in a championship fight.
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> He lost control of that bout early and never
> regained it.
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> not to mention the BLATANT bias...it was just sad.
Hear that... I was just about the most inept job I've seen, but I would have to say that even a top-shelf ref had his hands full last night. That fight was a mess.
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