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Floyd's weight was 146lb and Juan Manuel's weight was 142lb at the weigh-in. The fight is at 147lb not at 144lb.
Floyd looked drained at the weigh-in and will probably be over 160lb tomorrow at the fight, while Juan Manuel didn't look drained at all and will probably be around 145lb tomorrow at the fight.
Juan Manuel's normal weigh-in weight is 126lb, and to face a 160lb fighter tomorrow will be a huge adjustment for him, especielly since Floyd is taller and have a huge reach-advantage as well.
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Re: The weigh-in of Floyd and Marquez
Sep 28, 2009 5:44 AM
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::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Does it still look like I was finding excuses or am I reasonably justified in calling JMM a showcase opponent for Floyd? When has he ever looked better? When has JMM ever looked worse?
Coincidence? Maybe, but I doubt ANYTHING about that fight was the least bit surprising for Floyd. Except that the stoppage wasn't a little easier...:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
This fighter is 40 - 0...!!!! There are SEVERAL "showcase" fights in there to put him @ that record... Why you need to state the fucking obvious now or then, is again, a tad beyond me...
As a Mayweather fan, I am probably more aware and appreciative of those skills...
But again, thanks for the obvious...
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Re: The weigh-in of Floyd and Marquez
Sep 27, 2009 1:39 PM
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> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Your seeming
> need for me to be another White dickwad who dislikes
> Black people out of racism may help you shelve the
> blame for your confrontational, emotional
> maelstrom of a personality, but it doesn't make your
> assumptions correct. While I'm not incapable of
> recognizing your good qualities and could as easily
> buy you a beer as smash a barstool over your f*cking
> skull, you (like Floyd) have many traits other than
> your skin color.
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
> ?????????
>
> I discuss boxing... The whole race thing is
> obviously an issue for you based on the long past
> thread... I am talking about two great fighters as
> you seem to find excuses before an imminent win by
> Floyd Mayweather...
>
> So intrigued to see your pathetic responses if
> Marquez wins...
Does it still look like I was finding excuses or am I reasonably justified in calling JMM a showcase opponent for Floyd? When has he ever looked better? When has JMM ever looked worse?
Coincidence? Maybe, but I doubt ANYTHING about that fight was the least bit surprising for Floyd. Except that the stoppage wasn't a little easier...
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Re: The weigh-in of Floyd and Marquez
Sep 19, 2009 11:19 PM
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:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Your seeming need for me to be another White dickwad who dislikes Black people out of racism may help you shelve the blame for your confrontational, emotional maelstrom of a personality, but it doesn't make your assumptions correct. While I'm not incapable of recognizing your good qualities and could as easily buy you a beer as smash a barstool over your f*cking skull, you (like Floyd) have many traits other than your skin color. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
?????????
I discuss boxing... The whole race thing is obviously an issue for you based on the long past thread... I am talking about two great fighters as you seem to find excuses before an imminent win by Floyd Mayweather...
So intrigued to see your pathetic responses if Marquez wins...
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Re: The weigh-in of Floyd and Marquez
Sep 19, 2009 11:18 PM
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Nacho was upset about Mayweather's 146 lbs. weight. When interviewed by Kellerman with Mr. Olaya as the interpreter(pre-fight), Mayweather intentionally, deliberately and purposely did it "TO PRESERVE THE WIN". It's really a bit suspicious as to why Mayweather did this on purpose. IMO, this would hurt Mayweather's credibility and if he wins this one, I don't know if I could give him due credit. I acknowledge Floyd, Jr. as an excellent fighter but the way I see about this matter, I dont think he is that confident enough to face a fighter like Marquez. I believe he wants to go for a SURE win, even if it would hurt his credibility.
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Re: The weigh-in of Floyd and Marquez
Sep 19, 2009 10:48 PM
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> > So Floyd can move up and fight bigger guys the
> > majority of his career but nobody else can move
> up
> > and fight him in his weight class??
>
> Floyd didn't move up. He GREW up.
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> > And why should Floyd/Pac be at 140 when Manny
> is
> > fighting Cotto (a much bigger welterweight than
> > Floyd) at 144. And already fought Oscar at 147.
> If he
> > can fight those two above 140 than he can fight
> Floyd
> > at 144-147.
>
> Because Cotto isn't fighting Pac for the #1 p4p spot.
> If you're fighting for the #1 p4p spot with someone,
> , you ought to be the same size.
>
> > Unless you're hoping for Floyd to dehydrate
> > himself.
>
> I'm hoping to negate a size advantage in a "p4p
> contest". If it can't be eliminated, it can't be
> contested. PERIOD.
Of course it can be contested. Both have fought over 140, Pacman is considered a P4P fighter now, not only by accomplishment BUT BY SKILL. Like Floyd he has managed to win multi-division titles based on his P4P SKILLS. SKILLS PAY THE BILLS HERE.
Having Pacquiao forced to come in at 147 all sluggish, OR having Floyd come it at 140.. DEHYDRATED, isn't the way to go.
The fight should be at the 147 limit with no agreed upon catchweights. That way both can come it at w/e they feel comfortable/healthy at.
I.E. Pac at a 141/142 AND Floyd at 146/147, both healthy. Then it goes back to SKILLS, SKILLS and more SKILLS. Who can force their way of boxing upon the other.
Speed vs Speed, defense vs defense, conditoning vs conditioning, offense vs offense. SKILLS. Neither guy is a monster here so lets stop pussy footing around.
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Re: The weigh-in of Floyd and Marquez
Sep 19, 2009 10:37 PM
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> So Floyd can move up and fight bigger guys the
> majority of his career but nobody else can move up
> and fight him in his weight class??
Floyd didn't move up. He GREW up.
> And why should Floyd/Pac be at 140 when Manny is
> fighting Cotto (a much bigger welterweight than
> Floyd) at 144. And already fought Oscar at 147. If he
> can fight those two above 140 than he can fight Floyd
> at 144-147.
Because Cotto isn't fighting Pac for the #1 p4p spot. If you're fighting for the #1 p4p spot with someone, you ought to be the same size.
> Unless you're hoping for Floyd to dehydrate
> himself.
I'm hoping to negate a size advantage in a "p4p contest". If it can't be eliminated, it can't be contested. PERIOD.
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Re: The weigh-in of Floyd and Marquez
Sep 19, 2009 10:34 PM
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> Well NC,
>
> Let me put it like this... You and some of the other
> hater types on here are waiting for any kind of
> failure from Mayweather to say some shit...
>
> Such huge disrespect of a fellow like yourself, who
> has never fought, to call one of the greatest
> technical fighter of our time Juan Manuel Marquez a
> tune up... Typical shit though...
Jack, I actually didn't respond to this well enough the first time. So I'm taking another crack at it.
I don't... do not hate Floyd Mayweather. You seem to want me to hate him or need me to hate him to complete the imaginary picture you often render of me. If I met Floyd on the street and was afforded the chance by Floyd, I'd shake his hand and express my admiration for his many acheivements in the sport and life in general. I have a distaste for Floyd's bullsh*t. I don't hate him.
Would I like to see him get his commupance based on his bs? Yep. I love commupance. Even when people I know and genuinely like receive theirs, I love it. It's a necessary part of keeping this world grounded and it has nothing to do with hate.
Your seeming need for me to be another White dickwad who dislikes Black people out of racism may help you shelve the blame for your confrontational, emotional maelstrom of a personality, but it doesn't make your assumptions correct. While I'm not incapable of recognizing your good qualities and could as easily buy you a beer as smash a barstool over your f*cking skull, you (like Floyd) have many traits other than your skin color.
Making bullsh*t assumptions about people you know nothing about and calling it gospel is one of them. Own it. Own the rest of them too.
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Re: The weigh-in of Floyd and Marquez
Sep 19, 2009 9:45 PM
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> > Neut, you are exaggerating with the Taylor,
> Kessler
> > referances.
> >
> > JMM is 5'7 going up against a weak
> welterweight.
> >
> >
> > If you're ok with Pacquiao/Mayweather, which is
> the
> > fight the majority want now, you shouldn't have
> a
> > problem with this one. They're all
> interrelated.
>
> I'm okay with THIS fight. I just think it's absurd
> to call it a p4p battle. AB-f*cking-SURD... It
> seriously borders on retardation.
>
> Likewise, if Floyd wants to fight Pac for another
> "p4p battle" then it should be contested at 140 or
> called something else. The whole purpose of the
> expression p4p is to eliminate size as an advantage.
> It's to consider the formidability of a fighter
> r relative to his own size. If two
> fighters are not the same size, it negates the
> relevance... ENTIRELY!
So Floyd can move up and fight bigger guys the majority of his career but nobody else can move up and fight him in his weight class??
And why should Floyd/Pac be at 140 when Manny is fighting Cotto (a much bigger welterweight than Floyd) at 144. And already fought Oscar at 147. If he can fight those two above 140 than he can fight Floyd at 144-147.
Unless you're hoping for Floyd to dehydrate himself.
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Re: The weigh-in of Floyd and Marquez
Sep 19, 2009 9:40 PM
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> Neut, you are exaggerating with the Taylor, Kessler
> referances.
>
> JMM is 5'7 going up against a weak welterweight.
>
>
> If you're ok with Pacquiao/Mayweather, which is the
> fight the majority want now, you shouldn't have a
> problem with this one. They're all interrelated.
I'm okay with THIS fight. I just think it's absurd to call it a p4p battle. AB-f*cking-SURD... It seriously borders on retardation.
Likewise, if Floyd wants to fight Pac for another "p4p battle" then it should be contested at 140 or called something else. The whole purpose of the expression p4p is to eliminate size as an advantage. It's to consider the formidability of a fighter relative to his own size. If two fighters are not the same size, it negates the relevance... ENTIRELY!
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Re: The weigh-in of Floyd and Marquez
Sep 19, 2009 9:26 PM
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Neut, you are exaggerating with the Taylor, Kessler referances.
JMM is 5'7 going up against a weak welterweight.
If you're ok with Pacquiao/Mayweather, which is the fight the majority want now, you shouldn't have a problem with this one. They're all interrelated.
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Re: The weigh-in of Floyd and Marquez
Sep 19, 2009 9:22 PM
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> Well NC,
>
> Let me put it like this... You and some of the other
> hater types on here are waiting for any kind of
> failure from Mayweather to say some shit...
No... just goading you a bit. You and you're ever-present all bold "TUNE UP" references to a certain fighter accompanied by your alzheimer-like insistance that I picked him to beat Floyd. It's just a little of your bullsh*t back at you.
> Such huge disrespect of a fellow like yourself, who
> has never fought, to call one of the greatest
> technical fighter of our time Juan Manuel Marquez a
> tune up... Typical shit though...
You make a lot of assumptions about me having never fought. Typical presumptuous, pompous crap.
> Floyd understands what the premiere, marquee P4P
> position stands for... He must and will make a
> statement tonight...
>
> With the added weight, he will hit harder anyway so
> the 'brittle' hands will get tested no matter
> what...
Riiiiiiight and maybe Winky ought to fight JMM next to establish his place in the p4p rankings. And then maybe Jermain Taylor. And then maybe Kessler. F*ck it... Everybody should fight JMM and have a grab at the TRUE MARQUEE p4p title. WTF? How much koolaid can you chug in a lifetime? Jesus Christ, man JMM is 3 divisions south of Mayweather. How in HELL can that be a p4p battle?
> Whether JMM quits or not, Mayweather plans a
> spectacular show and IF he wins in such a manner, his
> bargaining position between the winner of Cotto /
> Pacquaio becomes FAR greater...
Right... and that's what this is about. Similar to a showcase. Similar to a tune-up. It is NOT a p4p battle. Stop the absurdity.
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Re: The weigh-in of Floyd and Marquez
Sep 19, 2009 8:59 PM
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> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Jack, does he need
> to sit down on them that much against a smaller
> fighter? I doubt he'll take the chance on hurting his
> hands. Especially if he expects JMM will lack
> endurance coming down the stretch in his bulked
> state.
>
> IMO, Floyd will wait, tenderize and then push the
> volume until JMM's corner or the ref steps in.
>
> He's not the kind of fighter to risk hand damage if
> he can get a stoppage without. There's too much at
> stake with this Tune
> Up.::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
> Well NC,
>
> Let me put it like this... You and some of the other
> hater types on here are waiting for any kind of
> failure from Mayweather to say some shit...
>
> Such huge disrespect of a fellow like yourself, who
> has never fought, to call one of the greatest
> technical fighter of our time Juan Manuel Marquez a
> tune up... Typical shit though...
>
> Floyd understands what the premiere, marquee P4P
> position stands for... He must and will make a
> statement tonight...
>
> With the added weight, he will hit harder anyway so
> the 'brittle' hands will get tested no matter
> what...
>
> Whether JMM quits or not, Mayweather plans a
> spectacular show and IF he wins in such a manner, his
> bargaining position between the winner of Cotto /
> Pacquaio becomes FAR greater...
Can't say I disagree w/ any part of this Jack....Right on.
8 minutes till showdown - Rock On , Mayweather - Rock On. 
Tonight....we watch Floyd slit Marquez's Urin-ophogus
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Re: The weigh-in of Floyd and Marquez
Sep 19, 2009 8:56 PM
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> If and when
> mayweather knocks out marquez are you gonna give him
> gredit for beating a "guerrero" or will the excuse
> train be making its rounds. I honestly feel Floyd
> dont get the credit he deserves. I was watching old
> interviews and when he fought zab people were saying
> why arent you fighting baldomir cuz hes the champ and
> he beat zab, when he fought baldomir they said well
> why arent you fighting hatton he's a real challenge.
> it seems no matter who he fights people complain. i
> actually feel it was wise to pick marquez for his
> comeback fight and I'm excited to watch it tonight.
> glad to see money may is back on the
> scene..........UNTIL COTTO ROCKS THAT ASS NEXT
> YEAR!!!! lol
No credit will be given to him for beating a much smaller man. this is nothing but an easy money fight for floyd. Why doesn't floyd every want shane or paul williams? he will not until they are to old and since they are not naturally smaller men he will not fight them. floyd is a punk. he never had any real intentions to fight at 144. obviously his word is no good. he had JMM gain 10 pounds and FM gave nothing.
"And those involved in the promotion continue to assert that this was always contracted as a 147-pound fight, despite the fact that Keith Kizer of the Nevada Athletic State Commission said that Marquez's agreement was for 144 pounds until it was retrieved from the Commission on Friday, and returned with 144 scratched out and 147 penciled in."
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Re: The weigh-in of Floyd and Marquez
Sep 19, 2009 7:41 PM
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::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Jack, does he need to sit down on them that much against a smaller fighter? I doubt he'll take the chance on hurting his hands. Especially if he expects JMM will lack endurance coming down the stretch in his bulked state.
IMO, Floyd will wait, tenderize and then push the volume until JMM's corner or the ref steps in.
He's not the kind of fighter to risk hand damage if he can get a stoppage without. There's too much at stake with this Tune Up.::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Well NC,
Let me put it like this... You and some of the other hater types on here are waiting for any kind of failure from Mayweather to say some shit...
Such huge disrespect of a fellow like yourself, who has never fought, to call one of the greatest technical fighter of our time Juan Manuel Marquez a tune up... Typical shit though...
Floyd understands what the premiere, marquee P4P position stands for... He must and will make a statement tonight...
With the added weight, he will hit harder anyway so the 'brittle' hands will get tested no matter what...
Whether JMM quits or not, Mayweather plans a spectacular show and IF he wins in such a manner, his bargaining position between the winner of Cotto / Pacquaio becomes FAR greater...
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Re: The weigh-in of Floyd and Marquez
Sep 19, 2009 7:16 PM
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> But what kills me are all these nuthuggers trying to
> say this "he aint a real welterweight" crap to
> justify him not wanting to fight any real deal
> welters. JMM was a superfeatherweight just 2 years
> ago!!!! Mayweather's been a welter since 05, as much
> of a mismatch as this may be. I'm still going for the
> upset knockout victory for Marquez cause like Mosley,
> Cotto, and Pacman he's a warrior. And Mayweather
> simply is not.
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I agree with you on some subjects but this one i must disagree. One question.....If and when mayweather knocks out marquez are you gonna give him gredit for beating a "guerrero" or will the excuse train be making its rounds. I honestly feel Floyd dont get the credit he deserves. I was watching old interviews and when he fought zab people were saying why arent you fighting baldomir cuz hes the champ and he beat zab, when he fought baldomir they said well why arent you fighting hatton he's a real challenge. it seems no matter who he fights people complain. i actually feel it was wise to pick marquez for his comeback fight and I'm excited to watch it tonight. glad to see money may is back on the scene..........UNTIL COTTO ROCKS THAT ASS NEXT YEAR!!!! lol
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