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I was bored with all the PPV purchase talk and DeLaHoya fighting Mayweather talk I decided to create this thread. All the true fight fans want to see the best welterweights fight each other.....best fighters PERIOD!
Just for fun. All the promoters got together and had a single elimination tournament with the winner being the undisputed unified Champion. Who comes out on top. This is the bracket
1. Floyd Mayweather39-0(25KO)
[8. Andre Berto(20-0(17KO)
4. Shane Mosley 44-5(37KO)
5 Antonio Margarito 35-5(25KO)
3. Paul Williams 33-0(24KO)
6. Kermit Cintron 29-1(27KO)
2. Miguel Cotto 31-0(25KO)
7. Joshua Clottey 33-2 (19KO)
1 versus 8 faces 4 vs 5
3 versus 6 takes on 2 vs 7
How does this tournament go. Who wins matches and who comes out on top?
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Re: Welterweight Tournament
Apr 23, 2008 2:35 PM
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> Margarito would win the tournament hands down.
Yeah..thats about as likely as me winning Gold metal this year.
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Re: Welterweight Tournament
Apr 21, 2008 6:03 PM
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There are two guys on the list who can dfinitely give him some problems.
Maywewather, he's just too slow, Mayweqather has the counter-punching and is a very smart fighter. he takes guys just like Marg out of his game.
Clottey with both hands gives him problems.
And a xouple years away, Berto gives him real trouble.
The rest, i like his chances. I thnk he beats Cotto in fight of the year but it's very close, Destroys Williamss in a rematch and just flat wares Mosley down. Mosley has sthe skill to beat him, I just don't think he can win 7 of 12.
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Re: Welterweight Tournament
Apr 20, 2008 4:59 AM
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Margarito would win the tournament hands down.
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Re: Welterweight Tournament
Feb 19, 2008 4:56 PM
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don't worry. if cotto becomes a ducker the whole island of PR will call him on it. they don't like duckers in PR.
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Re: Welterweight Tournament
Feb 19, 2008 4:25 PM
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> > Cotto is not declining a showdown with Margarito.
> > Mayorga is an ace in the hole. You really should
> pay
> > attention more.
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> "When you can read the newspapers in Puerto Rico,
> come talk to me.
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> Cotto told Margarito straight up, you have to wait
> for your turn...
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> And now there is talk of Mayorga...(Source: El Nuevo
> Dia)"
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> None of us will find out till after April 12th.
> Should Margarito beat Cintron, I see no reason why
> the Cotto /Margarito fight wouldn't go down in mid
> summer. Of Course, should Cintron somehow pull off an
> upset, Maybe a bid between Cintron and Mayorga would
> happen. Overall, A fight between Cotto and the winner
> of Margarito/Cintron would be more valid.
I find it hard to believe that Cotto is ducking potentially the biggest money fight out there that's not Mayweather or DelaHoya.
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Re: Welterweight Tournament
Feb 19, 2008 3:54 PM
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I've never consider mythodical slow cause thats what Cotto is. He is not superfast but he isn't slow. Cotto just stays busy. In the fight with Zab, everytime he threw his hands he was able to hit Cotto. Cotto did nothing to defend aginst him. But Cotto still kept the pressure and Zab folded.
I actually thought Cotto/ Mosley was a draw but wouldn't argue the decision. Mosley speed did give Cotto problems but Cotto brought out some boxing skills and showed he can adjust and deviated from his normal way of fighting.
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Re: Welterweight Tournament
Feb 19, 2008 2:34 PM
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I've also said that before ffontan. However with Cotto I think I can be more sure of it. He's fought fast fighers, almost all of them, and he's yet to look slow in there with any of them. Pav did good against Taylor, but that's the only fast boxer I've seen him in the ring with. I guess if I could see him do that against guys like kessler and Joe C than I would be 100% convinced.
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Re: Welterweight Tournament
Feb 19, 2008 2:28 PM
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> If one thing I've noticed from this guy from watching
> him fight Paulie, Quintana, Judah and Shane is
> that he has deceiving speed. He also has very good
> timing which, makes up for his lack of speed.>>>
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> I agree.
Its funny. I was saying the same thing the other day. Same thing applies to Kelly Pavlik. He seems pretty slow and then he gets in the ring and you realize he isn't.
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Re: Welterweight Tournament
Feb 19, 2008 2:12 PM
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Miguel Cotto has the type of Warrior spirit that will carry him far.
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Re: Welterweight Tournament
Feb 19, 2008 12:56 PM
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CT when Cotto demolished Quintana that's when I said this guy is for real. I saw Quintana outclass Julio and thought that he moved and punched enough to get the upset. I've never thought Quintana was the tomato can people made him out to be. Anyway, when he beat him, I was like this cat is not messing around. I pretty much knew he would beat Judah, b/c of his constant pressure. I did not expected him to outsmart Shane like he did.
If one thing I've noticed from this guy from watching him fight Paulie, Quintana, Judah and Shane is that he has deceiving speed. He also has very good timing which, makes up for his lack of speed.>>>
I agree.
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Re: Welterweight Tournament
Feb 19, 2008 12:10 PM
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> Cotto is not declining a showdown with Margarito.
> Mayorga is an ace in the hole. You really should pay
> attention more.
"When you can read the newspapers in Puerto Rico, come talk to me.
Cotto told Margarito straight up, you have to wait for your turn...
And now there is talk of Mayorga...(Source: El Nuevo Dia)"
None of us will find out till after April 12th. Should Margarito beat Cintron, I see no reason why the Cotto /Margarito fight wouldn't go down in mid summer. Of Course, should Cintron somehow pull off an upset, Maybe a bid between Cintron and Mayorga would happen. Overall, A fight between Cotto and the winner of Margarito/Cintron would be more valid.
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Re: Welterweight Tournament
Feb 19, 2008 9:07 AM
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> Cotto is not declining a showdown with Margarito.
> Mayorga is an ace in the hole. You really should pay
> attention more.
When you can read the newspapers in Puerto Rico, come talk to me.
Cotto told Margarito straight up, you have to wait for your turn...
And now there is talk of Mayorga...(Source: El Nuevo Dia)
He did exactly what you guys lambaste Mayweather for...while not making nearly as much money.
Hell...I'm not even lambasting him as much as I'm lambasting you, Dax and the other Mayweather closeted lovers. You can't keep talking/bitching about how Mayweather "ducked" Margarito and not have an issue with Cotto fighting Mayorga.
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Re: Welterweight Tournament
Feb 18, 2008 8:11 PM
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> > There is no point on fighting Mayorga. None
> > whatsoever. Cotto should fight Margarito in the
> > summer or early fall...beat him and collect a
> second
> > legitimate belt at 147lbs...then line up to
> fight
> > Mayweather, with more of a bargaining chip.
> > FFontan>>>>>
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> > lol,, first of all Magarito has not won any
> title and
> > overlooking Cintron is plain out supid.
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> Assuming Margarito beats Cintron, would you like
> Miguel to fight him or Mayorga?? Will you say he was
> ducking Margarito if he fights Mayorga?? If
> not...fine but YOU need to shut up about Mayweather.
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> > second of all why does Cotto need to fight
> Magarito
> > when floyd didn't lol double standard.....
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> Actually YOU are the one with the double standard.
> Floyd didn't fight Margarito and YOU STILL yap about
> t it. Miguel is talking about not fighting him and
> you're giving him a pass.
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> At least Floyd's reasons not to fight Margarito were
> more acceptable. He bypassed Margarito to make about
> $40 Million bucks.
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> Cotto would be bypassing Margarito...to fight Mayorga.
Cotto is not declining a showdown with Margarito. Mayorga is an ace in the hole. You really should pay attention more.
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Re: Welterweight Tournament
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Cotto-Mayorga in July? Quintana-Margarito Next? Recommend this page Printable version Search BoxingScene Database
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=12555
By Mark Vester
There are some strange reports coming out of the popular Puerto Rican paper, El Nuevo Dia. The first is claiming that Ricardo Mayorga (29-6, 23 KOs) has signed a contract to fight Miguel Cotto (31-0, 25 KOs) on July 19 with HBO pay-per-view televising. The information is coming from Mayorga himself, who may be telling the truth or simply hyping himself in position for a fight with Cotto.
"It's already official. I have signed a contract from Don King to fight with Cotto and I am going to knock out him in three or four rounds," Mayorga said. "The fight will be on the third Saturday of July. I am going to dethrone Cotto and take his title."
Mayorga says that he currently weights 165-pounds and can easily make the welterweight limit. Mayorga has not fought at 147-pounds since a decision loss to Cory Spinks in 2003, but says he can make 147 with ease. He last fought at 166-pounds, winning a decision over Fernando Vargas.
"I can make 147-pounds without problems," Mayorga said. "Cotto cannot run. If he runs he will fall in one or he can fight he can fall in two or three. I've had bigger wins at 147-pounds."
Cotto is set to fight Alfonso Gomez on April 12 in Atlantic City. It's been said by numerous sources, that should Cotto win, he would then face the winner of the rematch between IBF champion Kermit Cinton and Antonio Margarito, which is scheduled for the co-feature position on the same card.
And that's not all.
The other report, revealed that Francisco Espinoza, the co-manager of Margarito, has been in contact with the WBO and trying to push for a fight between Margarito and the new WBO welterweight champion, Carlos Quintana.
It's been reported that Cintron-Margarito is a done deal for the April 12 date, but Espinoza told the paper the fight is not a done deal. Margarito is rated at number-one by the WBO in the welterweight rankings.
Dissecting the conversation between Espinoza and the paper, it appears that he is trying to line up a fight with Quintana as a backup in case Cintron pulls out of the fight or the deal is not to their liking.
"What happened is we have a tentative fight on that date (April 12) and they still haven't made an agreement with us," Espinoza said. "In winning, Quintana inherited the mandatory commitment to fight Margarito. We will be happy with either of those two fights."
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Re: Welterweight Tournament
Feb 18, 2008 5:05 PM
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> Magrito also called out floyd why weren't disgusted
> then...FFontan, instead making excuses, AT least
> Cotto did offer magarito a fight and magarito turned
> it down.
I think I said about 2 million times that while I wanted Floyd to fight Margarito...I understood why he fought Baldomir and De La Hoya. It made sense from HIS perspective.... In Baldomir he made more money than fighting Margarito AND fought for the legitimate welterweight championship of the world. In fighting De La Hoya...he was fighting for more money than he had ever made and in what was to be the biggest boxing event of our generation.
I still would like to see Floyd fight either one of the younger cats at 147lbs...and I have no interest in watching him rematch De La Hoya...but I understand why he's doing it.
What I can't understand is why would Miguel Cotto choose Mayorga over Margarito(assuming Margarito beats Cintron and picks up a belt) for his fight after Gomez.
One last thing...you can make the exact same case for Floyd not fighting Margarito...as you do for Cotto.
Floyd OFFERED Margarito a fight. Margarito turned it down...so Floyd went back to fighting Judah.
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