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Will Bonds ever be talked about some day in the same way as Mays, Robinson, and Aaron?
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Re: Barry Bonds - Hall of Fame?
Sep 3, 2008 11:39 AM
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> I think anyone from the late 1990s onward is going to
> have the stigma attached at this rate, even if they
> didn't use performance enhancers.
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> But then again, didn't Gaylord Perry make the hall of
> fame even though he was notorious for doctoring the
> ball (and I remember his stint with the mariners as a
> kid), which is clearly illegal, and doesn't have a *
> next to his name.
Funny, the heroes of old - the Roger Maris' and Ty Cobb's sure do look a lot better in light of all this stuff.
I just read that 31 years ago a Japanese League slugger Sadaharu Oh broke Aaron's record with his 756th homer, retiring in 1980 with 868 homers. You don't hear anything about that guy, though.
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Re: Barry Bonds - Hall of Fame?
Aug 30, 2008 9:12 PM
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Thanks Angela, those were great links.
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Re: Barry Bonds - Hall of Fame?
Jul 31, 2008 5:16 PM
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Many performance enhancers didn't damage 'the game,' but they sure damage the IMAGE of baseball as a whole, and the role model status for kids.
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Re: Barry Bonds - Hall of Fame?
Jul 26, 2008 3:33 PM
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I think anyone from the late 1990s onward is going to have the stigma attached at this rate, even if they didn't use performance enhancers.
But then again, didn't Gaylord Perry make the hall of fame even though he was notorious for doctoring the ball (and I remember his stint with the mariners as a kid), which is clearly illegal, and doesn't have a * next to his name.
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Re: Barry Bonds - Hall of Fame?
Jul 23, 2008 3:55 AM
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I also have a question "What is difference between amphetamine's and steroids" they are both performance enhancing. I even remember hearing hank arron say that he would have probably gone with the trend of the era.
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Re: Barry Bonds - Hall of Fame?
Jul 20, 2008 4:07 PM
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> Okay, who has a better chance of making it in --
> Bonds or Clemens?
I think they each have he same chance. If one gets in they can't keep the other out. If they don't allow one in, then they can't/won't allow the other. This is all going to come down to a referendum on steroid use and perjury. The problem, I think, has always been that MLB never viewed the use of performance enhancing drugs as being particularly damaging to The Game.
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Re: Barry Bonds - Hall of Fame?
Jul 20, 2008 3:19 PM
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Okay, who has a better chance of making it in -- Bonds or Clemens?
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Re: Barry Bonds - Hall of Fame?
Jul 20, 2008 1:33 PM
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I have been an avid baseball fan since the tender age of 7. To this day I still do the "Days of Spring Training" about mid January. Although I have never been a Barry Bonds fan, I did respect his abilities early on. A bit, spoiled, self centered, so what ...not the first ball player like that and wouldn't be the last. I do draw the line in his later years with his apparent growth in physical stature as well as stats. Years before all the media pointed him out as suspected cheater, something looked strangely odd about Bond's transformation. I am on the east coast so I did not see him regularly but when I did, I was astonshished by the changes. So do I believe he should be in the Hall of Fame...No...do I think he could possibily get in?...maybe. Unfortunately for Bonds, he became the poster child for all that was wrong with baseball during "The Steroid Era"...a liar, a cheater, and just an all around jerk. Not a nice guy like McGuire, Palmeiro and so on who, although they did not fall under the radar, were allowed to blend into the background without the negativity that Bonds brought on himself. Hall of Famer..in my eyes no way. Too bad the other cheaters can't be lined up with Bonds and branded exactly what they are.
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Re: Barry Bonds - Hall of Fame?
Jul 20, 2008 12:10 PM
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When did Bonds ever test positive for steroids? NEVER! All people want to do is assume he did it. Yes, you would have to be an idiot to say its not possible. But how can you hold a guy out of the hall of fame because you think he cheated. Sports writers should not be the voice of baseball to get in the hall. It should be hall of fame members and current PLAYERS not writers who probably never played.
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Re: Barry Bonds - Hall of Fame?
Jul 19, 2008 5:55 PM
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Bonds would've been one the of the greates of all time, but he tarnished that by cheating. He may have been exciting to watch, but he shouldn't be rewarded. He made terrible decisions, lied about them, and disgraced not only himself and his family, but baseball as well. An asterisk should definately be by his name in the record book as one who used performance enhancing drugs. A guy who never hit 50 home runs in a season suddenly hits 73--give me a break. The gracious, and great, Henry Aaron still holds the all-time homerun record.
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Re: Barry Bonds - Hall of Fame?
Jul 17, 2008 3:04 AM
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As a San Francisco Giants fan, I had the opportunity to watch Bonds hit many homeruns. It seems no one at this blog acknowledges the ability of Bonds as a batter. His hitting was electric. I had a huge problem with: him not running out pop-ups or infield ground balls, his ego seemed better suited for a huge state like Alaska, his "personal trainers" who may have made roids easier for other Giants, but his at-bats froze the crowds. His swing was so compact, his knowledge of pitchers remarkable, and he still had to hit the ball to get those home runs. Talented - no doubt. Roids - seems like it to me. Was he even with the standard of baseball (whose blind eyes helped the problem escalate) of his day?....ask Griffey, McGuire, Clemens among others.
He was the hitter people came to any ballpark to see (and boo), yet they were all in the stands when he was coming to bat. I'd like to hear from opposing pitchers: who did they respect the most? Odds are high Bonds was on the list for a decade of pitchers.
As much as I hate to admit it, Bonds' talent pre-steroids earns him a spot. Bonds records, an asterisk. If I were designing a spot for Bonds, it would be right next to a highlight on the Steroid years of baseball.
His hitting talent is undeniable. Just look at his career intentional passes. Had the Giants more hitting, he'd have 800+ home runs. Baseball fans forget over time. Writers may stay sanctimonious. But Bonds ability was amazing.
I have been blessed to see McCovey, Cepeda, and, the great, Willie Mays. I have no doubt that one day I will be telling my grandson of days at Seals, Candlestick, & ATT and of the hitters that filled seats in the park. I will talk of Bonds 700, 71 & 72 and of the particularly Bonds' splash home runs.
All of the above said. I have not heard anything that makes me think I'd like to sit and have a brew with the guy, but I never missed his at-bats when I was at a game. If I had a vote, I'd be shaking my head no but voting yes.
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Re: Barry Bonds - Hall of Fame?
Jul 17, 2008 12:54 AM
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> > > > Whatever happened with that investigation,
> > is
> > > it
> > > > still going on?
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> > >
> > > He's being investigated by the FBI for perjury
> > as a
> > > result of his testimony to the House.
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> > I hadn't heard this. Thanks Raindawg!
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> Funny thing... I just ran across this at SI.com
> today:
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> Report: Feds have Clemens HGH Link
> July 16, 2008
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> "Confessed drug supplier Kirk Radomski has provided
> documentary evidence to the government showing that
> he shipped drugs to the Texas home of Roger Clemens,
> who is under investigation for perjury after telling
> Congress he never used steroids or human growth
> hormone. According to sources with close knowledge of
> the investigation, Radomski has discovered shipping
> receipts for a package of two kits of human growth
> hormone that he sent in late 2002 or 2003 to Clemens
> at the pitcher's palatial mansion in Houston. The
> Clemens package was addressed to William Roger
> Clemens, in care of Brian McNamee, according to the
> sources, who said that McNamee did not sign for the
> package. According to the sources, the timing of the
> shipment to Clemens' home coincides roughly with the
> dates when Clemens' wife, Debbie, used human growth
> hormone in preparation for her participation in a
> pictorial in the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue.
> They also expect the evidence to corroborate
> McNamee's claims that Clemens was behind his wife's
> use and was present when McNamee injected her just
> after the drugs arrived at the couple's home. Clemens
> has denied under oath using human growth hormone, or
> having any prior knowledge that his wife was going to
> use HGH."
Thanks, Dawg. I just can't believe him 100%.
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Re: Barry Bonds - Hall of Fame?
Jul 16, 2008 10:45 PM
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NOT! Mark Mcguire? More NOT!
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Re: Barry Bonds - Hall of Fame?
Jul 16, 2008 3:54 PM
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> > > Whatever happened with that investigation,
> is
> > it
> > > still going on?
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> > He's being investigated by the FBI for perjury
> as a
> > result of his testimony to the House.
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> I hadn't heard this. Thanks Raindawg!
Funny thing... I just ran across this at SI.com today:
Report: Feds have Clemens HGH Link
July 16, 2008
"Confessed drug supplier Kirk Radomski has provided documentary evidence to the government showing that he shipped drugs to the Texas home of Roger Clemens, who is under investigation for perjury after telling Congress he never used steroids or human growth hormone. According to sources with close knowledge of the investigation, Radomski has discovered shipping receipts for a package of two kits of human growth hormone that he sent in late 2002 or 2003 to Clemens at the pitcher's palatial mansion in Houston. The Clemens package was addressed to William Roger Clemens, in care of Brian McNamee, according to the sources, who said that McNamee did not sign for the package. According to the sources, the timing of the shipment to Clemens' home coincides roughly with the dates when Clemens' wife, Debbie, used human growth hormone in preparation for her participation in a pictorial in the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue. They also expect the evidence to corroborate McNamee's claims that Clemens was behind his wife's use and was present when McNamee injected her just after the drugs arrived at the couple's home. Clemens has denied under oath using human growth hormone, or having any prior knowledge that his wife was going to use HGH."
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