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I wish I could have given the sportswriter (who I will not mention by name since I don't know who he is) a Xanax so he could relax that bulging vein that was popping out of his forehead. Obviously, this guy is sad that he is loosing touch with the majority of sports viewing Americans, as well as his job due to instant information on the internet and blogging. I thought he was going to throw a chokehold down on the poor kid from DeadSpin.com simply because he ran a successful sports blog/website.
This guy (the "writer") would not shut up about how he worked oh so hard for oh so many years to "perfect his craft," obviously bitter that the kid sitting next to him had more influence than he did. Then he proceeded to rip into anyone that's ever posted on a forum or written a blog, since, and I quote, "these people are dumbing our country down to a point of no return." Exagerate much? It was if the guy didn't want anyone to have an opinion on sports or sports culture, unless they went to school to become a journalist. Give me a break man, if you don't like blogs because "they're all lies, poorly written, and are utterly profane" then here's a novel idea: DON'T READ THEM.
This guy is taking cheap shots at HIS TARGET AUDIENCE, and then wonders why he's about to be out of a job in 5-10 years due to the internet. He is the embodiment of the egotistical, "my opnion is the only valid one" HACK sports writer.
Hey Mr. Hack: Stop feeling threatened by the fact that information can be exchanged by anyone and everyone in an instant and embrace it. Grow back a couple of braincells from partying all night at the Super Bowl and actually DISCERN what is a credible source and what is not.
Come on... aren't you the "educated" one?
My one prayer is that this post somehow reaches him. I challenge you to debate this all day, either here or you can e-mail me so we can do it in private if you're too scared:
RNadesan@gmail.com
Oh, and by the way, great job proving your a "true journalist" by maintaining a clearly objective opinion about the topic of sports media on the internet. I think Braylon Edwards, a guy who probably squeaked by freshmen english, did a better job of being objective than you.
I guarantee you this hypocrite will have his own sports blog in five years. He better, or else he'll be unemployed.
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Re: Sports Media Episode - 4/29/08
Jul 16, 2008 11:45 AM
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The tide is turning, though, in all of journalism, from news to sports to politics, and everything in between. Bloggers can report things in real time, as they happen, and don't have all the red tape often involved in established journalism. It gives a more real perspective. I think there is a major shift going on, and it's kind of exciting to be witness to the changes.
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I think that's pretty interesting because in the news forums, if you quote from them or cite a story gleaned from them many people scoff that it's not a legitimate news source. I personally love them because it gives you diverse viewpoints and food for thought.
Do you find that blog news is more accepted and respected in the sports areas?
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Re: Sports Media Episode - 4/29/08
May 19, 2008 12:20 AM
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I couldn't agree more with everyone who has replied so far. 5 stars for everyone.
This thread is a testament to the rise of the blog. It is so obvious why blogging is so big and none of these guys on Costas hit the nail on the head.
It gives us a voice.
I think it is pretty clear that sports journalist are threatened by the fact that blogging has allowed anyone a chance to respond and take center stage. The fact of the matter is, sports journalist don't have it right all the time and blogs give us a chance to feel as though we have corrected the situation or at least were proactive in doing so.
As I watch the NBA playoffs, I think I am seeing some bad officiating to the point that I am spinning conspiracy theories. And then I go to TNT's forums to see that I am not going crazy and that other people are seeing what I also see. But none of the journalist are saying anything. The reason being, and the say it themselves, fear. We call it kissing ass, be since we don't have paychecks coming from networks, we have the freedom to say what is true and you won't find a lot of journalist who have the freedom to do so. You wont find a commentator or journalist speaking out against the obvious wrongs of an establishment because they rely on that system for a job. I see it so many times when I watch an NBA game and there is a horrible call or better yet, a no call. The commentator won't say anything because if he does, there goes his job.
The point that they are missing on COSTAS is, Blogs maybe me crude and full of garbage, but you are a lot more likely to find truth there instead of the journalism you see today.
I often times finding myself respecting the opinion of a common fan like myself than a journalist like Costas.
And you develop some contempt towards some journalists when you sense they are malicious. I don't want to see journalist attacking players and coaches and that is sort of what journalist don't like about bloggers but they are guilty of the same thing.
I'll never forget when Costas was covering the Olympics and when the 4x1 relay team was over celebrating he started ripping these guys like they slapped somebody's grandma in the middle of the field. They didn't disrespect any other countries they just were too excited about winning. He started saying things about how they were disrespecting the American flag. And part of that reason was the media's fault for super hyping the runners. Then when Maurice Green came onto show to apologize, Costas wouldn't even let him off the hook and tore into him right there in front of the whole country again.
And the overall treatment of Barry Bonds is another reason why traditional journalism is falling apart in the age of the blog. And I am not talking about post-steroids. I am talking about how he was ignored systematically but the whole journalist society before he broke the record. And this isn't my opinion. I can't remember if it was Fox Sports or ESPN that had a whole report on the abuse of Barry Bonds by the media. When hit hit major milestones he was completely ignored by the journalists. The journalist's abuse of their power and warping of the view of sports has created a void of truth that is being filled by blogging and forums.
What is happening in the journalist industry in happening in all other industries.
If you charge me too much for gas, I am going to find an alternative fuel.
If you charge me too much for a CD, I am going to find a way to download it for cheaper if not free.
If you keep canceling my flights and raising the prices, I'm going to stop flying on your airline.
If you sign up too many consumers on an unfair adjustable rate loan, then that is more people whose credit you ruin and now no one wants a loan. Hello housing market crash.
If journalist keep abusing their voice and begin representing themselves instead of the athlete or the common fan, people will find their own voice.... blogging.
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Re: Sports Media Episode - 4/29/08
May 17, 2008 12:12 AM
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Im sorry but I can't stop writing. It seems clear to me that Costas had an agenda, allowing Bissinger the final word. He either wanted to create CONTROVERSY (ergo sell a product to the hungry public who loves controversy) or he wanted to bash Will Leitch. Which is it? Because, if it was his intention to bash the blogger why the hell does he have a blog in place on HBO.com. Bob, either way you come out looking like the douche here not Ballzdeep, because we will put up with Ballzdeep calling us a douche. However, we won't put up with journalists spouting out pseudojournalism about the validity of blogs as a media source. And then on top of that allowing this bitter man to make the assumption that we the public are dumb. Shame on you for giving that man the last word.
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Re: Sports Media Episode - 4/29/08
May 16, 2008 11:51 PM
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Hey since we are too dumb for Bissinger the big Pulitzer Prize winning author maybe we are too dumb to understand his next book, so I may as well not buy it. Right Bissinger. Nice career move Einstein!!
Hey, I have an idea, why dont you try writing your Autobiography. About how you worked so hard for 40 years to perfect your craft only to sum up your career on Costas Now by telling a successful Entrepeneur that he's full of shit for becoming a Success. Maybe we should all be tuning you out instead of blogs. Hearts and minds of the masses, isn't that what its all about. Grabbing the hearts and minds of the people. Why would we want to listen to somebody who thinks we are incapable of listening.
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Re: Sports Media Episode - 4/29/08
May 16, 2008 11:23 PM
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Here is the bare bones truth about the media in sports.
CONTROVERSEY is king. Television Networks, Newspapers,Internet all provide what we ask them to provide because if they didn't we wouldn't watch. I am insulted that H.G. Bissinger just pulls out the most insignificant stupid comments off of Will Leitch's blog "deadspin" and makes the conclusion that we are not intelligent enough to filter out dribble from valid discussions about sports figures. What makes Deadspin any worse than what the media report everyday. The media strives to create controversey because that is what grabs ratings. I respect Bissinger for excelling in the craft of writing; but just because he can write better than most doesn't give him the right to say the average fan shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinion. No matter how sophomoric, idiotic or uninformed it may be. This man is criticizing who? Will Leitch. No! He is criticizing an industry that allows the fan to be more involved. Bissinger, to me sounds like a bitter individual who can't stand that every joe fan can now become a contributor. I only have one question to ask you Bissinger. What makes you any different than Will Leitch? Because you believe that you are a responsible writer, aresponsible member of the media who wouldn't take cheap shots at athletes. But its ok for you to take cheap shots at Will Leitch on national TV and say he sounds like some guy on percocet. What makes you any different than ballzdeep who called somebody a douche on some obscure blog on Deadspin. I'll tell you what makes you different, the forum in which you present yourself. You had a national audience to talk to, and you presented yourself in the same manner that ballzdeep did. Do you think that your so educated that you can be given a pass on making moronic comments like that. I think not my friend. These bloggers are average people and everyone knows that. You represent the media and everyone knows that. So why don't you relax. Keep writing your books and we will keep blogging and hopefully us dumb people will be able to distinguish between the two.
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May 6, 2008 10:17 AM
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Things The Guests Unintentionally Taught Me About Sports Media:
The whole segment with Michael Strahan was unintentionally illuminating. Strahan demonstrated that if a member of the media is critical of an athlete, that member of the media gets cut out of the loop. Michael Jordon was the king of managing his image by manipulating sports writers. Score one point for the bloggers who don?t need to kiss up to athletes?
[Minus one point from Costas for putting Strahan on the show at all. He was mean-spirited and classless. Ironic that in criticizing sports talk radio for taking the low road, Costas himself dipped into Jerry Springer territory with Strahan.]
Minus five points from Michael Wilbon for unintentionally admitting what the ?old media? journalists really resent about the ?new media? people. What is his concern with bloggers? Wilbon says, ?What are their credentials?? Credentials? Sheesh. Allow me to translate: ?Who let all these bloggers into my club? Who taught them the secret handshake?? Bottom line- Wilbon, Kornheiser, LeBatard, Riley, Bob Ryan, Albom, all the good ol? boys, no longer have a corner on the market of sports opinions. [ESPN is disgusting in how it cannibalizes its own talking heads.] All Wilbon does is give opinions on sports. Now, anyone with a computer can give opinions on sports and the sports fan can decide who they get sports information and opinions from. I don?t expect the high priests to give up their place of privilege without a fight. They defended the temple from the infidels? Plus five points for the bloggers and podcasters?
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May 6, 2008 10:06 AM
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Things The Guests Unintentionally Taught Me About Sports Media:
The whole segment with Michael Strahan was unintentionally illuminating. Strahan demonstrated that if a member of the media is critical of an athlete, that member of the media gets cut out of the loop. Michael Jordon was the king of managing his image by manipulating sports writers. Score one point for the bloggers who don?t need to kiss up to athletes?
[Minus one point from Costas for putting Strahan on the show at all. He was mean-spirited and classless. Ironic that in criticizing sports talk radio for taking the low road, Costas himself dipped into Jerry Springer territory with Strahan.]
Minus five points from Michael Wilbon for unintentionally admitting what the ?old media? journalists really resent about the ?new media? people. What is his concern with bloggers? Wilbon says, ?What are their credentials?? Credentials? Sheesh. Allow me to translate: ?Who let all these bloggers into my club? Who taught them the secret handshake?? Bottom line- Wilbon, Kornheiser, LeBatard, Riley, Bob Ryan, Albom, all the good ol? boys, no longer have a corner on the market of sports opinions. [ESPN is disgusting in how it cannibalizes its own talking heads.] All Wilbon does is give opinions on sports. Now, anyone with a computer can give opinions on sports and the sports fan can decide who they get sports information and opinions from. I don?t expect the high priests to give up their place of privilege without a fight. They defended the temple from the infidels? Plus five points for the bloggers and podcasters?
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May 5, 2008 10:48 PM
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The writer seems to feel threatened by bloggers. He seems to fail to understand that blogging is the way his business is going. No one wants to hear him speak/write anymore. He seems to want to turn back the clock to a time when there was no internet. A time when the average guy HAD no choice. They HAD to read the crap that was put out by the "sports journalists". He hates the fact that your average guy can put a blog up and do his job better than he can. 40 years of perfecting his trade? Give me a break.
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May 5, 2008 1:46 PM
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I just thought the real irony was that the "educated" sports writer used the same bitterness and intolerance that keeps most blogs from ever being taken seriously. When the internet and globalization of the economy was just taking jobs from factory workers it was just news, but now that it effects the writers it is truly a problem. His friends aren't the only people losing their jobs today.
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May 3, 2008 1:52 PM
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Putting aside that Mr. Bissinger was clearly dealing with a host of his own issues, Costas was much too deferential to him. You don't invite guests on your show and then let other guests abuse them. That's already old news. I am more interested in what people think of the entire show. I was disappointed in both the choice of guests and the execution, although I will say that both Whitlock and Wilbon were especially articulate and on point.
One thing that irked me right off the bat was how Costas failed to call Strahan on what seems to me to be one of the oldest and tiredest bs excuses that jocks always make to sports writers which is the "you never played the game, you're not in the locker room, how dare you criticize me" routine. That's the whole point, which is the same point that the blogger who ripped on Rick Reilly made, that once you have that cozy access and depend on the players for your job, you'll never rip them when they deserve it. Braylon Edwards, who I don't know at all because I'm not much of a football fan, seemed like an intelligent person but his point is equally lame. He seems to think that he and any other athlete should be able to do whatever they want and no one should be able to take pictures of them in public misbehaving or write about it. How about you're a public figure, you get paid a ton of money, try acting like a responsible adult and if you can't, be sure it's behind closed doors. What in the world is wrong with publishing pictures of Matt Leinert partying and asking whether beer bong is appropriate for someone whose living depends on their physical condition? Buzz acted like someone faked the pictures -- but then again he was angry and spoiling for a fight.
In any event, perhaps Costas should have had nothing but bloggers and new media people on so that the show couldn't be hijacked by the bitter journalists and athletes who are furious that there's a group out there who isn't interested in joining their country club. I'm sure Bob is more than capable of debating a group of those folks with his usual intelligence and wit.
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May 1, 2008 5:26 AM
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I wish I could have given the sportswriter (who I will not mention by name since I don't know who he is) a Xanax so he could relax that bulging vein that was popping out of his forehead. Obviously, this guy is sad that he is loosing touch with the majority of sports viewing Americans, as well as his job due to instant information on the internet and blogging. I thought he was going to throw a chokehold down on the poor kid from DeadSpin.com simply because he ran a successful sports blog/website.
This guy (the "writer") would not shut up about how he worked oh so hard for oh so many years to "perfect his craft," obviously bitter that the kid sitting next to him had more influence than he did. Then he proceeded to rip into anyone that's ever posted on a forum or written a blog, since, and I quote, "these people are dumbing our country down to a point of no return." Exagerate much? It was if the guy didn't want anyone to have an opinion on sports or sports culture, unless they went to school to become a journalist. Give me a break man, if you don't like blogs because "they're all lies, poorly written, and are utterly profane" then here's a novel idea: DON'T READ THEM.
This guy is taking cheap shots at HIS TARGET AUDIENCE, and then wonders why he's about to be out of a job in 5-10 years due to the internet. He is the embodiment of the egotistical, "my opnion is the only valid one" HACK sports writer.
Hey Mr. Hack: Stop feeling threatened by the fact that information can be exchanged by anyone and everyone in an instant and embrace it. Grow back a couple of braincells from partying all night at the Super Bowl and actually DISCERN what is a credible source and what is not.
Come on... aren't you the "educated" one?
My one prayer is that this post somehow reaches him. I challenge you to debate this all day, either here or you can e-mail me so we can do it in private if you're too scared:
RNadesan@gmail.com
Oh, and by the way, great job proving your a "true journalist" by maintaining a clearly objective opinion about the topic of sports media on the internet. I think Braylon Edwards, a guy who probably squeaked by freshmen english, did a better job of being objective than you.
I guarantee you this hypocrite will have his own sports blog in five years. He better, or else he'll be unemployed.
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