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An attempted suicide stemming from a failed Kamikaze mission. Was Larry right about this?
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Re: Season 5 - Episode 44: "Kamikaze Bingo"
Nov 8, 2005 1:12 AM
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Funny episode with some great moments... especially the Kamikaze analysis, the anger over Bingo impropriety and the guys deciding to resume their card game. I was disappointed with Kevin Nealon... I thought he was *too* angry at Larry throughout most of the episode and that the scenes would have been better served by someone like Ted Danson. The ending was a bit contrived too... but overall, above average. I liked it.
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Re: Season 5 - Episode 44: "Kamikaze Bingo"
Oct 31, 2005 2:01 AM
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I see the little wussies are running to the censors!
Wee! Wee! Wee!
Squealing little piggies.
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Re: Season 5 - Episode 44: "Kamikaze Bingo"
Oct 31, 2005 12:05 AM
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Just saw it...it was greeeeaaaat!!!
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Re: Season 5 - Episode 44: "Kamikaze Bingo"
Oct 30, 2005 11:53 PM
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Wait'll ya' see episode friggin' 45....
steve
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Re: Season 5 - Episode 44: "Kamikaze Bingo"
Oct 30, 2005 4:52 PM
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Howdy, Nokid!
I only popped in the other day to look in on posting for the new season. You've got a good memory. I see Busterboy is still on and a few other old timers.
I took your advice and just now hit the "Ignore User" button for Urb. I would have done so earlier but for morbid curiosity, which has since been solved. (This guy says he was a Marine?? Jezus, my dad was a Marine in WW2. I'm trying to imagine my dad coming back from service and picking fights with fans on a website message board! I guess this is what happens if you get all riled up and don't see combat.)
Good to see you again. Diggin' Season 5. LD's still got it!
Cheers,
Iz
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Re: Season 5 - Episode 44: "Kamikaze Bingo"
Oct 30, 2005 4:41 PM
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> What's to figure? You're the one who's confused.
Despite what it says on the HBO website (which has contained numerous errors over the years because it's put together by an HBO website team, and not the creators of the program), go back and watch 5 years of the show. I will pay you $1,000 for every time Jeff is referred to as Larry's agent, if you will pay me just $10 every time he's referred to as Larry's manager.
And I'll pay you 25 cents if you know the difference.
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Re: Season 5 - Episode 44: "Kamikaze Bingo"
Oct 30, 2005 4:33 PM
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> > > The above email is pure fiction.
>
> Sexy:
>
> And what could possibly be my agenda for fabricating
> this? How is it you know so much about the inner
> workings of premium cable programming? Allow me to
> educate you:
>
> Premium cable networks don't derive their income from
> commercial sponsors like broadcast networks. Although
> they do pay attention to ratings, they are not the
> end all/be all that they are with commercial
> networks, because HBO is not selling commercial time.
> If they did, they would be making the same kind of
> pabulum that the networks create, in an attempt to
> get the biggest possible audience and sell time at
> the highest possible rates. (Hence, the "lowest
> common denominator" factor.) Instead, HBO can
> experiment with niche programming, which is all Curb
> was ever intended to be.
>
> Premium cable's income is derived from viewer
> subscription fees. What's critical to them is that
> their programming is talked about. You've heard the
> expression, "water cooler show"? If you don't have
> HBO, but you hear your friends and colleagues talking
> about last night's episode of Curb, or Sopranos, or
> Deadwood, or Sex in the City, eventually you're going
> to get curious about this HBO and hopefully cave in
> and subscribe. Despite the criticisms of the comic
> geniuses on this board, "Curb" is still a water
> cooler show. How many times have you heard people
> say, "I had a real Larry David moment this morning"?
>
> Also, the idea that the critics have massively turned
> against the show this season is historical
> revisionism. Curb has been a critic's darling since
> its inception, even when no one was watching. (1st
> season rating were barely a blip on the radar.) The
> show has only grown in popularity. There have been a
> couple of critics who have complained that the show
> has lost its edge, but would you like me to show you
> a few dozen critical reviews on the internet that are
> raving about the new season?
>
> Like any other network, lead-in programming has a
> major effect on ratings. Curb got more viewers when
> it followed high-rated shows like S&TC and Sopranos.
> This year it's following "Rome" which is not getting
> great numbers. Just because "Curb" got higher ratings
> when it followed The Sopranos, doesn't mean it was a
> better show then. Likewise, a drop in ratings because
> of a weak lead-in doesn't make it a worse show now.
>
> It's also a prestgige show for HBO which has won
> Emmys and Golden Globes and numerous other awards
> world-wide. That brings in viewers as well. And do
> you regularly check DVD sales? I do. Every season of
> Curb DVD's have generated tens of millions of
> additional dollars for HBO. The DVD's alone almost
> cover the cost of production. So Curb is hardly a
> loss-leader for HBO.
>
> And no, I don't work for HBO, but I do work in the
> entertainment business in L.A. and I do have to keep
> current on programming trends. And yes, I do know
> people who have worked on the show. I assure you
> that what I said earlier is not "fiction." Chris
> Albrecht at HBO has said publicly that the decision
> to renew from year-to-year is Larry's. The same is
> true with David Chase, creator of The Sopranos. (If
> the Sopranos ratings drop by half this year, do you
> think HBO won't be anxious for Chase to still do
> another year? Get real.)
>
> Lastly, a freind of mine interviewed Larry David in
> his office and confirmed it: no computer, no e-mail.
> A small notebook in his pocket to jot down ideas, and
> a yellow legal pad for fleshing them out.
>
> So, tell me again ... what part of my original
> statement is "pure fiction?"
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> Message was edited by nokiddin at Oct 29, 2005 5:42 PM
I have some film production background myself but my comments were just based on my experience as far as stating that profits drop when viewership drops - even for cable shows that don't rely on advertisement revenue. I subscribe to HBO for CYE only, and at the end of the season cancel, so when I heard viewership had dropped hundreds of thousands, i thought that would equate to at least SOME drop in revenue, but I would think you know more maybe so my observation may in fact be wrong - I'm not a cable exec or anything, just a poster here with opinions. No doubt CYE gets a lot of income from DVD sales, i'm sure that's the case with all programs with a big following, the larger the viewership, the larger the DVD sales and MORE profit, not saying CYE is in the red by any means, just the amount of potential revenue that a show on HBO has for making. I think the only thing i don't like as much this season is the degree to offending is a little too harsh...i know it's all LD style, but even for me it was too much at times, plus Cheryl comes across as pissed off for some reason, not the same bubbly cheryl, especially in the first 3 episodes, but i still hope we get more seasons..anywayas, my 2 cents.
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Re: Season 5 - Episode 44: "Kamikaze Bingo"
Oct 30, 2005 3:11 PM
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> > BTW, if Jeff doesn't play LD's agent on CYE,
> exactly
> > WTF is he supposed to be?
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> You're the expert about everything showbiz. Pay
> attention and figure it out.
What's to figure? You're the one who's confused.
http://www.hbo.com/larrydavid/interviews/
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Re: Season 5 - Episode 44: "Kamikaze Bingo"
Oct 30, 2005 3:09 PM
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Hey, Izi! Nice to see another veteran poster from the first season. Welcome back.
Thanks for the lucid defense, but I hit the ignore button on Urby a long time ago. It's like putting a lollipop in the mouth of a screaming child who's soiled himself. I can tell from the other responses however that he's still crapping all over the message board.
We've seen his type every season. They troll to piss people off with personal comments unrelated to the show, then when people slam him, he whines, "Why is everyone picking on me?" Here's the thinking: "If I can show everyone how bad this show is, then that makes me smarter and funnier than Larry David. That means I should be more famous and successful than he is." But they're not. They work in a video store, or whatever, so the whole system must be corrupt and conspiring against them. (The 400+ posts in a couple of months tells you what you're dealing with.)
Anyway, as someone else pointed out, these people come and go every season. Meanwhile, do yourself a favor: "Ignore User."
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Re: Season 5 - Episode 44: "Kamikaze Bingo"
Oct 30, 2005 2:28 PM
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> BTW, if Jeff doesn't play LD's agent on CYE, exactly
> WTF is he supposed to be?
You're the expert about everything showbiz. Pay attention and figure it out.
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Re: Season 5 - Episode 44: "Kamikaze Bingo"
Oct 30, 2005 12:06 PM
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Whether or not CYE is on for another fifty seasons, it has jumped the whitefish. Bash me for saying so all you want; it won't change that fact. The show is shopworn.
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Re: Season 5 - Episode 44: "Kamikaze Bingo"
Oct 30, 2005 12:02 PM
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Whether or not CYE is on for another fifty seasons, it has jumped the whitefish. Attack me all you want for saying so; it won't change that fact. The show is shopworn.
BTW, if Jeff doesn't play LD's agent on CYE, exactly WTF is he supposed to be?
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Re: Season 5 - Episode 44: "Kamikaze Bingo"
Oct 30, 2005 10:30 AM
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> and the cancellation of this show falls along the
> lines of something NOBODY knows...so stop your
> naysaying. But i did hear somewhere that Larry
> pretty much calls the shots...when asked why they
> only do 10 episodes of curb, the response was ,
> "'Cause that's the way Larry wants it."
Indeed...Larry rules. Put that it your pipe and fluff it, Urb.
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Re: Season 5 - Episode 44: "Kamikaze Bingo"
Oct 30, 2005 9:32 AM
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There is a certain way you have to handle Urby, and you guys are doing it all wrong...I used to have a problem with him/her, now I don't since I've taken a different approach. I suggest you guys try the same thing, or use the ignore button.
Either way, can you really take much stock in what people post on these threads that aren't show related? It's easy to discuss a show that everyone has seen...it's impossible to discuss aspects of the entertainment industry that most people don't know anything about. It's even harder to tell what a certain person does for a living based solely on their posts. Sure I could say I'm an entertainment exec. or maybe i'm a fluffer with a dream...or perhaps i sell insurance in a small little cubicle, my wife has cancer, my brother is gay, and I was molested by my uncle. (hmmm...avuncular!!!) To put it bluntly, you don't know who these people are, and you can't really believe what they say. Some people reveal themselves on this board, some people are in costumes. So lets stop discussing what we don't know and start discussing what we do know...
and the cancellation of this show falls along the lines of something NOBODY knows...so stop your naysaying. But i did hear somewhere that Larry pretty much calls the shots...when asked why they only do 10 episodes of curb, the response was , "'Cause that's the way Larry wants it."
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Re: Season 5 - Episode 44: "Kamikaze Bingo"
Oct 30, 2005 4:53 AM
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Ok, I just have one last thing to say about this. You guys who are "criticizing" the show are talking shit about the very same shit that you love aboutt he other shows.
I dont get it. Larry wouldnt eat pistachios while apologizing, but he would call Ted Danson an asshole right in front of his daughter, or comment on the size of Hugh's son's penis? That shit is WAYYYYYY out of line, but those are some of the better moments.
So, he talked with the doctor too long about the bingo, or pushed the kamikaze thing too far...ok, well what about when he is asking Super Dave about the game tickets, he asks like 10 times, then asks for the golf tip! How pushy can you be? Then later in the ep, he wont let it go about getting his dad's seat.
The same things you love about the last seasons, you hate about this season. You have "jumped the whitefish" as fans, in my opinion. Caught up in critiquing the show instead of just enjoying. thats why i get offended. I see people being negative about the show for the sole purpose of bashing the show on the forums. When youve gotten to the level of watching the show just for nitpicky shit to bitch about, and you come on an hour after the show has aried aremd with a laundry list of pseudo-intellectual bullshit to say, its time to give up internet posting.
Thats the problem, not that you dont like the show, its why you dont like it. And sure, your opinions are your opinions, no one can change them, but I think if you honestly look at what youre doing, you are being unfair to the show. And we love it as much as you do, so we vehemently defend it.
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