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Leave your thoughts about the HBO Documentary Films production, I AM AN ANIMAL: THE STORY OF INGRID NEWKIRK AND PETA.
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Re: I AM AN ANIMAL: THE STORY OF INGRID NEWKIRK AND PETA
Dec 22, 2007 5:50 PM
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I agree with your presentation of the problem with
Vegitarian/Vegan/Animal Rights Activists=good people
Meat Eater/Butcher/Stockman=depraved killer
the problem that KrystalKat and the rest of them is that unless you subscribe to their ideologies, you are automatically a "braindead idiot"
They neglect to think that Adolf Hitler, the man that brutally tortured and killed 12 million people was a vegitarian and that just because they choose to lift a forkful of tofu that makes them automatically better than us. In their minds, even if you are as humane as you can be in the raising and slaughtering of the animals in your care, you are still likened to Hitler.
Animal Rights Activists and Hitler have a lot in common...if you look at this, they have no problems trying to sell their ideologies and if you don't believe their gospel god help your soul.
I am sorry to hear about your grandmother Anja...I think that PETA was in the wrong for likening the slaughter and raising of livestock for food to Holocaust. That was a horrid slap of injustice and major disrespect to the survivors and those who died in the Zyklon B baths or shot execution style in the Holocaust. I admire the survivors of the Holocaust...some of my family was killed in the Bosnian Conflict, so I can understand.
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Re: I AM AN ANIMAL: THE STORY OF INGRID NEWKIRK AND PETA
Dec 22, 2007 1:28 PM
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Hey Cattlefeeder,
I hope you know I was being faecetious with the Hitler comment. I was just trying to dispell the myth that meat eater= Unheathly Killer and Vegetarian= Healthy Good person. The only reason I used the Hitler analogy is my Grandma Anja (one of Hitler's entourage of maids and servants) once made the mistake of placing a meat knife at Hitler's table setting. I believe she scrubbed floors until the end of the war.
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Re: I AM AN ANIMAL: THE STORY OF INGRID NEWKIRK AND PETA
Dec 22, 2007 1:12 PM
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DAMN THAT'S FUNNIER THAN HELL...SUCKS TO BE HIM! I didn't know that he had parkinson's disease! Gunshot or Parkinson's...perhaps the most fitting way for a manical vegitarian to go out!
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Re: I AM AN ANIMAL: THE STORY OF INGRID NEWKIRK AND PETA
Dec 22, 2007 1:10 PM
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To Krystal Kat,
I'd like to know where you're getting the information that says that it takes 21 lbs of feed for one lb of average daily live gain on an animal? I work for one of the largest cattle feeding operations in the United States. An average steer or heifer in the yard only eats about 2 to 2.5% of their body weight in feed per day. This would calculate out to approximately 23 lbs per head per day intake on an as fed basis. Cattle also consume 8 gallons of water per day, whether it's a fed steer or just the cows in India...cattle can only consume so much. What do you propose we do with those cattle that you say wastes so much water and feed? Cattle aren't on feed for years, but are only on feed from 120-150 days on ration. Cattle aren't fed 100% grain diets because the rumen can only handle approximately 85% grain and the rest comes from roughage like corn silage and chopped hay. Prior to coming to feedyard, cattle are on pasture, which if you really stop to think about it, can't be used by humans and most of the graze in the States is unfarmable land which can't grow crops like corn, wheat and your beloved veggies and soybeans. Stop to think about it, with all of the chemicals used to produce soybeans and other produce, your diet is even worse on the environment than producing red meat and poultry.
You also worked in Third World Countries with the hungry over there, but what about the hungry over here in the United States, I'd be more concerned with our people and the homeless and hungry in the States than I would to send millions of dollars of food aid to overseas. Take care of our own first then help others.
Am I worried about the animal rights activists changing the way we live...to an extent, yes. However, you also have to realize that not all people are ignorant about their food and where it comes from. I am from a family with strong ties to livestock and crop farming and I am also the fiance of DurocDiva. She's not just some senseless killer, but is a proud stockman and meat worker, just as I am a proud and educated American Cattleman...we are not Hitler, Dahmer or any other killers, nor are we rednecks that can't even spell our own names...we are proud of our heritage and way of life!
As seen on the back of a feed delivery truck coming into the feedyard..."EAT BEEF DRINK MILK"....
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Re: I AM AN ANIMAL: THE STORY OF INGRID NEWKIRK AND PETA
Dec 22, 2007 12:26 PM
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I doubt he would have lived much longer. Parkinsons was kicking his ass.
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Re: I AM AN ANIMAL: THE STORY OF INGRID NEWKIRK AND PETA
Dec 22, 2007 12:17 PM
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I believe the guy you are talking about is Adolph Hitler, and he would lived a longer life if he had not killed himself!!
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Re: I AM AN ANIMAL: THE STORY OF INGRID NEWKIRK AND PETA
Dec 22, 2007 11:31 AM
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C'mon DurocDiva, everyone knows strict vegetarians live better lives and are overall better people than meat eaters. In fact, there is a well documented case of of a man that never smoked, drank or ate any sort of meat and he changed the world. His name was Adolph somenthing......
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Re: I AM AN ANIMAL: THE STORY OF INGRID NEWKIRK AND PETA
Dec 21, 2007 12:21 PM
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KrystalKat...I am not some ignorant hillbilly that has a whole string of pit bulls and hunting dogs. I have a degree in Livestock and Meat Science. Where the hell do you get the idea that it takes 21 lbs of feed to make one pound of carcass meat?
Beef Steers and Heifers take 9 lbs of feed to one pound of Average Daily Gain on an AS FED BASIS but translated that out to an AIR DRIED BASIS to 6 to 7 lbs of feed a day to gain on average of 2.5 to 3.0 lbs of gain at the feedlot level.
Gilts and Barrows that are market hogs take approximately 3 lbs of feed to one pound of gain on an as fed basis, with average daily gains of 1.75 lbs to 2.2 lbs up to 280 lbs live weight
Wether and Ewe Lambs take approximately 7 to 8 lbs to make a pound of average daily gain with average daily gains of 1.0-1.75 lbs per day of age up to 150 lbs...meat goats are a bit better on gains and can utilize the lower quality forages that HUMANS can't utilize.
I don't make those figures up, I have several livestock feeds and feeding manuals that I have used and data from reputable University Cooperative Extension Service feed trials.
Livestock aren't the biggest contributor to greenhouse gases and global warming, driving vehicles and using plastics are the biggest contributor. However, I don't see you giving up your vehicle and reducing your use of plastics. Little known fact, the vehicle that you drive runs on blacktop or asphalt correct? The asphalt uses a binding agent in the black top mix along with the tar to make a stronger more durable paved surface that is made from blood fibrin which comes from slaughtered red meat animals. Dishwashing soaps have bile extracts which break down grease, so that your dishes come clean.
Answer me this then KrystalKat, if I am such an ignorant person, then what would you say to Dr. Temple Grandin and Dr. Bernard Rollin both are in the livestock industry and are highly committed to animal welfare and ethical treatment...I would believe anything that they say well before I would believe anything you or Ingrid Newkirk would say...
Remember...what you say may have some effect on those in the big cities but in rural america, you don't have a leg to stand on....
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Re: I AM AN ANIMAL: THE STORY OF INGRID NEWKIRK AND PETA
Dec 15, 2007 9:59 PM
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It is always funny to see everyone get worked up over animals. Everyone here is just arguing back and forth on who's right and who's wrong. The world will never fall on either extreme, so what is the point on trying? Also it would be a bad thing for the world to fall on one extreme.
Overall just remember one thing:
Arguing on the internet makes you really cool.
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Re: I AM AN ANIMAL: THE STORY OF INGRID NEWKIRK AND PETA
Dec 15, 2007 3:17 PM
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To the slaughterhouse killer: No. I really don't feel sorry for you. People like you get exactly what you deserve--the Universe makes sure of that. BTW, where do you keep your pit bulls and your huntin' dogs?
People just can't think beyond their forks. Everything is about ME. That is the reason the world is in the shape it is in. I have worked in Third World countries with people who live on a few grains of rice a day. Yes, animal lovers are people lovers, too. It goes hand and hand.
Everyone knows that it takes 21 pounds of grain to produce 1 pound of meat--and the water that goes into growing one cow to market size would float a battleship. Meat production is one of the leading causes of global warming. Anyone who can not understand what meat eating is doing to the earth and their bodies deserves what they get.
HBO should give us more of "real" reality shows. They are abot the only people who dare tell us the truth.
To the person who said they were dropping HBO becasue of the show: I am sure you will be happy watching the Outdoor channel 24/7. You can get a lot of blood and guts there. But won't you miss the sex channels?
You people dishing the documentary are just plain scared that the animal rights movement may change the way you live, and rightfully so. You just can't stop progress or evolution.
For now, all you meat -eaters are welcome to eat yourselves into an early grave; just don't block my driveway with your dead, cold bodies.
As for you people gung-ho for animal experiments: If you have a dog or cat (I mean a pet dog or cat) that you love) why not give it up for experimentation? If people knew that billions of tax dollars were wasted on redundant experiments tevery year they would rise up in anger. Has anyone ever thought what would happen if someone found a cure for cancer tomorrow.? Why, the doctors and drug companies would be out of business. Remember the documentary, "Who Klled the electric Car"? Can the establishment afford to cure cancer or other major diseases?
I say look beyond your fat faces at the whole picture. We can't live forever but your chances of not getting cancer are increased by just dropping meat and dairy products.
As for the person who wrote about picking on little old ladies who wear fur: That is not exactly true but just because someone is old does not mean they are stupid. Give them them facts--and let them decide. The facts are a nasty business sometimes, but thanks to HBO there they are in bold color spelled out in bright blood red letters.
One can remain stupid and blog to their heart's content or get involved and stop the madness, and in doing so help make the world a better place.
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Re: I AM AN ANIMAL: THE STORY OF INGRID NEWKIRK AND PETA
Dec 5, 2007 6:34 PM
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I know it doesn't mean that HBO will fold but I have canceled my HBO from my cable company because of this so called documentary.
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Re: I AM AN ANIMAL: THE STORY OF INGRID NEWKIRK AND PETA
Dec 3, 2007 12:56 PM
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next time...read the whole post I posted and not just parts...read my education and background throughly! I am not some dumb hick from the sticks...but I think you'd probably think the same about Dr. Temple Grandin and other livestock scientists, but accept Newkirk's word as gospel
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Re: I AM AN ANIMAL: THE STORY OF INGRID NEWKIRK AND PETA
Dec 3, 2007 12:47 PM
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TheKrystalKat...don't feel sorry for me, I damn sight sure don't want your pity. My father, mother, brothers and cousins were doing an honest day's work on the kill floors, which I am not ashamed of them and I am not ashamed of my work in the livestock and meat industry. Don't damn me for my blue collar, livestock farming and red meat slaughter background. It's the only way of life that I chose even when I got old enough to go against what my parents chose. I am not an ignoramus and totally unaware to what the hell happens on the kill floors, I've seen thousands of hogs, sheep, cattle, bison and horses slaughtered in my 28 years of life. I may horrendously disagree with you on your point of view but I don't tell you that I feel sorry for you and shake my head. However, if I had to choose a death for myself, I'd rather die in the hands of a trained kill man with the captive bolt stunner than die a slow tragic death. I feel at peace when I watch a properly done slaughter and I know that the animalsthat I slaughter or assist on die a humane and quiet death.
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Re: I AM AN ANIMAL: THE STORY OF INGRID NEWKIRK AND PETA
Dec 2, 2007 3:28 PM
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Have supported PETA monthly for many years, will continue to
do so, no matter what I read here from those annoyed by PETA policies. Notwithstanding Ingrid's preference to keep working vice having companion animals, I admire her. She and her staff have the guts it takes to bring attention to electrocuted animals yielding fur, boiled alive cats in China and animal research practices which are wrong and do not help humans, no matter what the Pharma industry says. Look at the drugs deemed safe for dogs per the labs that later killed humans because humans are not muted dogs tortured to death for their data. Genesis Awards, Bill Maher the brave et al dare speak truth.
I also saw HBO's Dealing Dogs and wrote this on a blog elsewhere:
Just caught this at night, but could not find it in the HBO schedule or on demand for my spouse to see. Without a doubt, the most horrific evidence of man's inhumanity to animals I've ever seen. Have always been against wasteful animal research given what I learned years back post pneumonia from the CIPRO package wherein a hundred beagles were suspended for months as test subjects then
killed when they finished using them because they could no longer walk. Have asked for drugs fine print ever since and complained to Pharma units about pointless tests which waste animals and tell nothing about efficacy for humans. Years ago I urged the use of discarded placentas and core blood vice living animals who are used for show vice real science, disgusting. I went to buy this CD from HBO because I vote with my money, costly, but worth it that others may see what becomes of companion animals deemed disposable by humans not fit to be alive. Well done, Nevins et al. Go get the rotters who hate living things so much.
Those who disagree with Ingrid re: companion animals may
want to see the HBO "Dealing Dogs" to get a clue about what
happens to those "pets" before they wind up in research labs.
Although my spouse and I have five very old cats and a dog,
all rescues over time, we have the dog trained, everyone is
spayed/neutered/chipped/licensed and kept inside safe from
the predators who deal in dogs. Ingrid and others risk their lives that animals without a voice may be heard; I applaud.
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Re: I AM AN ANIMAL: THE STORY OF INGRID NEWKIRK AND PETA
Dec 2, 2007 12:19 AM
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I want to know why PETA picks on old ladies with fur? Why don?t they go after the Hell?s Angles for wearing leather or other bikers for wearing leather?
I am no psychologist but Ingrid Newkirk is not right in the head. She came right out and blamed her parents for not giving her enough love as a kid and that is why she turned out the way she did. Her best friend was her dog. Everyone has something that happened to them as a kid but only the week minded let it follow them into adulthood.
A few years ago I was in Green Bay, Wisconsin when PETA was there. I was in full leather and no one said a word. They were protesting the Green Bay Packers because they got their name from a meat packing company that first sponsored them. But that meat packing company went out of business 85+ years ago. Nobody associates the Packers with the meat industry and the company that sponsored them is long gone, totally pointless. Also the PETA spokesman on the news that day was some kid so fat that he sure didn?t get that way eating his greens.
I love fruit and vegetables but there is no way it compares to a good steak. Watching the show made me hungry, so after watching the show I went out and had a 16oz Prime Rib. My girlfriend thanks you to because after dinner we went and bought her a new leather riding outfit. The purchase included chaps, halter and a new jacket.
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