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This may seem unfathomable to some but America almost lost the Revolution. If it had not been for French intervention and the fact that the Crown realized the war was bankrupting them, Britain might have won if they had been more resourceful and had a deeper war chest. Here are some what ifs to consider: There would have never been a presidency because Washington would have been hanged along with Adams, Franklin and other signers of the Declaration of Independence. Henceforth, there would have never been a Monroe Doctrine, Manifest Destiny or a War of 1812. Two: there probably would have never been a Civil War. British law was never in favor of slavery in its colonies or posessions. There more than likely would have never been 50 states;France would have never had a reason to sell off its territory in America. The possibilities are endless.
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Re: What kind of America would we have had if Britain had won?
Jun 15, 2008 3:14 PM
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Could you explain your standard (however
ridiculous)
of good citizenry? Also your standard of bad
citizenry would certainly surely be amusing
as well. Feel free to include your industry of
employment (if any) or your means of subsistence
(what goverment handout agency). For example, do
you still live with your mommy?
I'm still waiting for at least an explanation of
your bitterness towards auto insurance companies? Have
you had a bad experience? Do you drive? Have
you had your license revoked? Are you a drunken
driver?
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> its not as ridicoulous you and your silly questions.
> What are you a judge? You think you can sit there and
> demand that people explain simple concepts to you and
> pass judgement on them. go to school.
Have you had a bad experience with a judge? I just asked you a simple question. Have you had a bad experience with questions? With school?
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Re: What kind of America would we have had if Britain had won?
Jun 3, 2008 7:44 AM
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hello georady,
I don't know if universal suffrage is a problem, or if its poverty. Usually if the wealth of a country is distributed as fairly as possible, full blown socialism doesn't occur. But, you need a system of accountability in society. How do you get that? through voting what happends is a natural dynamic occurs: the more poverty in a country, the more socialism the people vote for; conversely, the more the wealth is distributed throughout the masses, the more the people vot e to prtect their own wealth and develope aversions to socialism.
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Re: What kind of America would we have had if Britain had won?
May 31, 2008 3:36 PM
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Welcome georady to the HBO Boards. I hope you enjoy your visits with us. It is nice to have you here!
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Re: What kind of America would we have had if Britain had won?
May 31, 2008 2:40 PM
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Well, all the British "taxes" amounted to about 10% - and we now pay - all included - about 40%
But, to be fair, the whole world went "socialist" in the 1920s so we would probably be paying the same high tax as the Brits.... if the Brits weren't wiped out by the German or Russian Empires???
One thing our forefathers realized better than we do today... if you truly let "everyone" vote (as opposed to men of property who know the value of a dollar) they will eventually vote themselves capital they are in no way "entitled" to i.e. I pay $100K into Social Security (because I'm too stupid to save money for myself) I deserve to take $200K or more out and someone else is suppose to make up the difference...
Our forefather knew that ALL socialist systems are just pyramid scheme that will eventually collapse... so they just figured they better have the "capital creators" voting for the government...
50 years from know we will look back at them and realize they were Genius and "we" were the dopes!
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Re: What kind of America would we have had if Britain had won?
May 30, 2008 7:33 AM
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> Could you explain your standard (however ridiculous)
> of good citizenry? Also your standard of bad
> d citizenry would certainly surely be amusing as
> well. Feel free to include your industry of
> employment (if any) or your means of subsistence
> (what goverment handout agency). For example, do you
> still live with your mommy?
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> I'm still waiting for at least an explanation of your
> bitterness towards auto insurance companies? Have
> you had a bad experience? Do you drive? Have you
> had your license revoked? Are you a drunken driver?
its not as ridicoulous you and your silly questions. What are you a judge? You think you can sit there and demand that people explain simple concepts to you and pass judgement on them. go to school.
And as I said before, since you seem to need to make ad hominem arguments, you should debate solely with your mother.
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Re: What kind of America would we have had if Britain had won?
May 25, 2008 4:35 PM
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Could you explain your standard (however ridiculous) of good citizenry? Also your standard of bad citizenry would certainly surely be amusing as well. Feel free to include your industry of employment (if any) or your means of subsistence (what goverment handout agency). For example, do you still live with your mommy?
I'm still waiting for at least an explanation of your bitterness towards auto insurance companies? Have you had a bad experience? Do you drive? Have you had your license revoked? Are you a drunken driver?
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Re: What kind of America would we have had if Britain had won?
May 13, 2008 1:18 PM
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> > since when did auto insurance companies become
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> > example of good citizenry?
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> Could you explain your standard (however ridiculous)
> of good citizenry? Also your standard of bad
> citizenry would certainly surely be amusing as well.
> Feel free to include your industry of employment (if
> f any) or your means of subsistence (what goverment
> handout agency). For example, do you still live with
> your mommy?
its not as amusinfg as you and your silly questions. What are you a judge? You think you can sit there and demand that people explain simple concepts to you and pass judgement on them. go to school.
And as I said before, since you seem to need to make ad hominem arguments, you should debate solely with your mother.
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Re: What kind of America would we have had if Britain had won?
May 6, 2008 7:17 PM
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I don't recall saying work was abad thing, if that is what you were saying in your first sentence.
anyway moving on....
what kind of america would we have if britain had won?
a harmless exercise in the hypothetical, for those of you that can engage in a discussion without the nonesense.
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Re: What kind of America would we have had if Britain had won?
May 5, 2008 1:44 PM
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Since when a category of "work" become assumed to be not good citizenry?
Do you work? Do you have a job? Do you make an honest living? Without getting into personalities, I beg you to reconsider your position. America was founded on limited government and with constraints (that have since failed) designed to limit government. Most Founding Fathers including John Adams were of the opinion that each and every category of government needed to be limited and assumed to bad for a free citizenry.
Further a more practical example would be the excellent business practices of John Hancock. Perhaps you might break down and do some reading (after breaking down and seeking honest employment).
Do you have some sort of problem or grievance with the life John Hancock?
Have A Nice Day!
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Re: What kind of America would we have had if Britain had won?
May 5, 2008 7:46 AM
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since when did auto insurance companies become an example of good citizenry?
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Re: What kind of America would we have had if Britain had won?
May 2, 2008 3:21 PM
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i don't think so.
but regardless of what name we would have now, the whole land mass of north america might have become one country and this would make the "United states and provinces of America" (USPA) stronger regardless of what name we had.
And no british colony ever stopped expanding until it was forced to by another nation or people. Canada expanded west, just like the USA, and the only reason it didn't come south was cause of the USA. I doubt Mexico would have stopped the USA and canada from taking california, new mexico and the rest of the areas taken: maybe more of Mexico would have been lost and Cuba would have been a commonwelth of the USPA as is Puerto Rico now. Who knows, maybe the phillipines too.
Canada has been independent basically since the 1860's and they have ahad the freedomn to run their country as they see fit.
and by the way, the monarchy in Britain has no power to do anything. they are a powerless figurehead.
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Re: What kind of America would we have had if Britain had won?
May 1, 2008 10:26 PM
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> why would we be canadians?
Perhaps it's because Canada is the country the British colony in North America became? It's not like they were driven from the continent after the Revolutionary War... we merely drove them back to North. Even today, the Queen of England is the official head of Canada. If we have lost the war, we would all be Canadian citizens, with a much larger Quebec/Louisiana nation with French heritage, and a larger Mexico. Or Canada would have be like the current Canada and incorporate the French population and we'd just be as big as we are now, with possible exception of Texas and California. No matter how you look at it, our development as an independent nation would have taken a very similar route as Canada/Australia, and that's what we'd become.
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May 1, 2008 3:34 PM
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> Why would this topic warrant so much speculation? If
> the British had won, we would all be.. CANADIANS.
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> Plus slavery would have been abolished right back
> then. The victory by the rebellious colonists was
> the worse thing which happened to blacks and Native
> Americans (we would have called them First Nation
> People now); both population would have been treated
> much better under British or Canadian rule. But they
> will never teach you that in school will they? The
> sad fact that American Revolution didn't matter a
> whole lot in term of world civilization (I'm sure we
> would have battled the Nazis as Canadians) but it did
> brought on years of brutal oppression to blacks and
> Natives.
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> Oh hindsight, I wouldn't have mind to see them John
> Adams and the lot lost the war; I won't mind being a
> Canadian.
why would we be canadians?
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Re: What kind of America would we have had if Britain had won?
Apr 30, 2008 9:35 PM
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Why would this topic warrant so much speculation? If the British had won, we would all be.. CANADIANS.
Plus slavery would have been abolished right back then. The victory by the rebellious colonists was the worse thing which happened to blacks and Native Americans (we would have called them First Nation People now); both population would have been treated much better under British or Canadian rule. But they will never teach you that in school will they? The sad fact that American Revolution didn't matter a whole lot in term of world civilization (I'm sure we would have battled the Nazis as Canadians) but it did brought on years of brutal oppression to blacks and Natives.
Oh hindsight, I wouldn't have mind to see them John Adams and the lot lost the war; I won't mind being a Canadian.
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Re: What kind of America would we have had if Britain had won?
Apr 29, 2008 4:06 PM
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Actually it is a myth far often than not. With Auto Insurance, most people would laugh if someone asked an Auto Insurance to pay for an accident that already happened while uninsured. Yet an astonishing number of media believe that Health Insurance companies and healthy people should somehow be FORCED to pay for in effect "reckless drivers" the financially irresponsible. This is an idea that has much more in common with Communism and Wealth Redistribution than John Adams.
The truth is that is the LAW and HIPPOCRATIC OATH that doctors must treat you particularly in Emergency rooms. Health Insurance and paying the bill is a matter of personal responsiblity. Or in short: Grow up and take care of yourself instead of asking for a handout.
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