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What surprised you most about what happened during the invasion of Iraq?
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Re: Part 2: The Cradle Of Civilization
Jul 31, 2008 1:33 PM
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Well... I didnt read the book, but i'm pretty mellow politicaly, so I dont get up in arms much.
I do agree with you though, if people are going to rant about this show, they should do their research.
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Re: Part 2: The Cradle Of Civilization
Jul 29, 2008 10:38 AM
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"Indeed, sounds like right-wing Republican propaganda to me. Yeah, I know, this is all fiction with a reality basis. All the same..."
Read the book? How about doing a little research?
Its funny that people who have not bothered to do any research on the 1stReconBn going into Iraq are such experts now on what recon did or did not do after watching and disagreeing with a tv program that is based on an account from someone that was there. And had several tech advisors who were also there.
But those who did no research on the subject, or were not with 1stRecon, know better than those who were.
The Marine Corps is very small. Everyone knows someone who knows someone who did something.
If in fact 1stRecon had lost Marines or Docs going thru that town and decided to not show that in this series there would be an uproar on the USMC forums that could be heard for miles.
And an uproar out of HQUSMC who already hates this series.
Well at least your aren't calling bs as one poster did because the uniforms and such don't add up to what hubby wore in DS.
But before you run the bs flag up again maybe you should actually do a little research. Maybe even read the book.
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Edited by BTDTGuy at 07/29/2008 8:48 AM PDT
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Re: Part 2: The Cradle Of Civilization
Jul 29, 2008 9:44 AM
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> Without getting into logistical details, it just
> struck me as entirely false that they made their way
> through what could only be described as a hail-storm
> of bullets, RPGs, and who knows what else going
> through the town, without a single casualty. Indeed,
> sounds like right-wing Republican propaganda to me.
> Yeah, I know, this is all fiction with a reality
> y basis. All the same...
Read the Book. I doubt Evan Wright would be considered a propagandist
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Edited by gunnernerf at 07/29/2008 6:44 AM PDT
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Re: Part 2: The Cradle Of Civilization
Jul 28, 2008 10:27 PM
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Without getting into logistical details, it just struck me as entirely false that they made their way through what could only be described as a hail-storm of bullets, RPGs, and who knows what else going through the town, without a single casualty. Indeed, sounds like right-wing Republican propaganda to me. Yeah, I know, this is all fiction with a reality basis. All the same...
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Re: Part 2: The Cradle Of Civilization
Jul 28, 2008 4:58 PM
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JohnnyRaygun wrote:
>"As for the sniper rifle it wasn't an m24 but an m40a1, however I will agree that at almost a click those targets were way to big on the crosshairs. At that distance, especially behind cover, would have to be one hell of a shot. But "Fruity Rudy" plays himself, you'd think he'd speak up if he's in a scene that didn't happen."
Good eye.
I didn't catch everything in that sequence but I'll watch it again just out of curiosity.
The M40A1 fires the 7.62 NATO round, I believe. At a range of roughly 3,000 feet (more than half a mile) and with an average bullet velocity of (say) 1,500 fps, the bullet's time-of-flight is about two seconds, or so. That seems short but it would make it nearly impossible to hit a moving target. Even a nod of the target's head would ensure a miss. Add in the effects of heat mirage, variable winds and other uncertainties and the sequence seems improbable.
If I'd been the officer in charge, I would've hosed the bad guys with the .50 caliber BMGs and let it go at that.
But, what do I know?
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Re: Part 2: The Cradle Of Civilization
Jul 28, 2008 4:02 PM
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Arson451, oorah 1/2 C co.!
As for the sniper rifle it wasn't an m24 but an m40a1, however I will agree that at almost a click those targets were way to big on the crosshairs. At that distance, especially behind cover, would have to be one hell of a shot. But "Fruity Rudy" plays himself, you'd think he'd speak up if he's in a scene that didn't happen.
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Re: Part 2: The Cradle Of Civilization
Jul 28, 2008 2:06 PM
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iatattoo asked:
>" ... Why would the sniper take out the observer and not the rpg gunner?"
Good question. But it probably wouldn't make much difference since the RPG team members would be more-or-less interchangeable.
As I understood the dialog, the targets were over 900 meters distant. At that range, the RPG team would be too far away to be an immediate threat since these things are notoriously inaccurate.
On the other hand, the sniper (using a Remington Sniper Rifle M-24) could not reasonably expect to make good a head shot, either. No rifle is that accurate, although TV and the movies continue to portray them that way.
I have no military experience but I am very familiar with high-powered rifles of that type.
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Re: Part 2: The Cradle Of Civilization
Jul 27, 2008 11:12 AM
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This episode had me honestly smelling the foul stench in my nose that is in every Iraqi city. I could honestly smell in in my nose and was amazed how a tv show could bring back a smell to my brain! I am impressed for sure!!
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Re: Part 2: The Cradle Of Civilization
Jul 25, 2008 12:36 PM
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> > Some observations about episode 2. Did the series
> > have a technical advisor about the equipment used
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> > military tactics?
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> > Point 1- Why would a night vision scope be mounted
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> > one of the soldiers rifles? The rifle looks to have
> a
> > cover on it and only a pin whole size opening to
> let
> > in any light. The scope works by magnifying the
> > available light. A pin whole size cover blocks most
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> > of the light. When the soldier looked through the
> > scope in the daylight, the view was a full field
> view
> > and in green.
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> It is a protective cover for a anpvs4 night vision
> scope and exposing it to light in the middle of the
> day would burn it out.
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> Okay, why would his primary weapon used in daylight
> operations have a night scope? This would make it
> useless in the day if the if it could not be used for
> fear of burning out the night vision element. The
> soldier at one point during the daylight scopes out
> something in the distance using the night vision
> scope.
Also, from my limited experience with rifle mounted nvg's (I was in the Finnish military, so we didin't get to play with them a lot, suck not using trillions of dollars on "defence") I remember that aligning the sight was quite a bitch. It would take up to an hour and you still had to do it in daylight, so why take it off.
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Re: Part 2: The Cradle Of Civilization
Jul 25, 2008 2:39 AM
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As a former 03 with 1/2 I can say that this show accurately portrays Marines. From the dickhead captains to the irate sgt major, its extremely realistic right down to the jargon and ridiculous mustaches. I had the pleasure of working with two former marines (air wing gunny and 0341 cpl) after i got out and we would speak with the same cockiness, sarcasm, dry humor and acronyms. I actually had one of my bosses call me and comment how she finally started to understand why we would talk and behave the way we do.
Anyone who thinks that this show is garbage clearly has never served in any of the armed forces let alone spent anytime around Marines.
The army is made up of soldiers, the air force has airmen, the navy has sailors. The Marine Corps has Marines and thats our title.
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Re: Part 2: The Cradle Of Civilization
Jul 24, 2008 1:16 AM
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I love this show, and as veteran Marine who was in RCT 1 with 2nd LAR Battalion I can say that it is as close as possible to what it was like. The unit I was in, was talked about after 1st Recon went through Nasiriyah.
The reason why I am posting this is to clarify something that was shown in the film.
They show a child and other people that had been blown up. For clarification, it was not done by 2nd LAR Battalion but rather the 2 tanks that were attached to my unit that decided to blow up anything that were unlucky enough to come down our road. Their indiscretion still bothers me sometimes and it has been over 5 years.
The blown up people did happen but I know from certain because I was at the front of the unit and I saw it happen. We did not do it.
Just something that I had to get off of my chest.
Jason
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Re: Part 2: The Cradle Of Civilization
Jul 23, 2008 5:33 AM
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What surprised me most about what happened during the invasion of Iraq?
Not sure if the question was directed toward the actual war, or this episode's depiction of it. First, my answer about the actual war: I was surprised that there were no chemical attacks. My answer about the series: I just can't believe how good it is.
I'm not a member of the military, nor have I ever held an assignment in a war zone. I am a working member of the news media (a camera operator). Apart from the truly impressive quality of the writing, the production value in this series is through the roof. Unbelievable authenticity and credibility in your locations, visual effects, and overall production design. Huge kudos to the excellent cast and crew. I think you guys (and gals--notably, the very talented director of episodes 1-3, and 7, Susanna White) should bring a Humvee to the Emmys this fall. You're going to need it to carry all of your statues.
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Re: Part 2: The Cradle Of Civilization
Jul 22, 2008 8:16 PM
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Rudy is the spotter in the scene where they take out the 2 insurgents. Hes the "gay" guy, lol.
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Re: Part 2: The Cradle Of Civilization
Jul 22, 2008 8:15 PM
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Dude Rudy is badass <3
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