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As America hurtles toward the next presidential race, the HBO film
'Recount' will relive the fervor of 2000's messy election. Kevin Spacey
and Denis Leary take Al Gore's fight to the courts on May 25 - make your own case here on the boards, where the most cogent arguments will be featured in a special poll on HBO.com. And don't worry - this time all the votes will be counted.
The question: Do you believe electronic voting can be hacker-proof?
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Re: Do you believe electronic voting can be hacker-proof?
Jun 26, 2008 5:30 PM
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> Americans DO NOT have confidence in our current
> voting process
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> Thats how an overwhelming majority of people
> responded in my company's poll., here: http://RFIDWizards.c
> om/securevote
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> HBO Films recent movie, Recount, dramatically depicts
> the fiasco of events that occurred during the 2000
> presidential election (George W. Bush versus Al
> Gore). America's voting process typically involves
> volunteers dragging equipment and ballots to central
> counting facilities in the late evening, after
> polling is closed. In 2000, rumors abounded of trash
> bags of ballots found by Florida roadsides (though
> the adamant witnesses never produced those trash
> bags).
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> Eight years later, little has been done to address
> what happened in 2000. Voters must still rely upon
> physical polling, and as a result, a physical chain
> of custody. The consensus among policymakers,
> registrars of voting, advocacy groups and
> non-government organizations like the Association for
> Computing Machinery and BlackBoxVoting is that paper
> balloting is necessary, and that the chain of custody
> must be secured.
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> ONE county has greatly improved the security of the
> voting process to and ensuring everyones vote
> counts. Alameda County, California has successfully
> used Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) technology
> to secure the chain of custody for its election
> process - TWICE. We have been following the efforts
> closely. Alameda County has been working with
> Motorola and RFID Global Solution to develop
> SecureVote" - a system that significantly improves
> upon the prior bar code based system.
>
> Registry of Voters employees and volunteers are able
> to read and verify the contents of every bag in an
> hour and twenty minutes, versus the four or five
> hours that is typical using bar codes. The difference
> is in eliminating the manual process of opening each
> bag, matching bar code numbers manually, closing and
> resealing. A bag scanned by RFID that registers no
> errors does not need be opened, which greatly
> improves security and virtually eliminates the
> possibility of vote tampering.
>
> US voters and policymakers are very concerned about
> the security of the vote including vote tampering,
> security in the chain of custody, and certainty that
> all votes are counted. Each of these challenges can
> be met using the same technologies that, for example,
> the Department of Defense uses in asset tracking, and
> which consumers trust in retail applications. In the
> case of Alameda County, RFID technology enabled the
> Registrar of Voters to monitor the chain of custody
> in real time, to ensure that all votes were counted,
> and to streamline a five hour process into less than
> two hours.
>
> Given the upcoming presidential election, we believe
> more counties around the country should embrace this
> solution. If they act now, they can have this
> implemented before the November election and ensure
> everyone's vote counts. Not only do they owe it to
> the voters, they owe it to themselves, and our
> children.
>
> Here's our in-depth article on how our voting system
> can be secured to ensure every vote counts:
>
> Alameda County, CA
> Successfully Uses RFID Technology to Secure and
> Streamline Voting Process
This is an amazing system! While no system is 100% perfect, this sounds closer then anything else I have heard of. Good luck, and please keep us posted!
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Re: Do you believe electronic voting can be hacker-proof?
Jun 25, 2008 2:30 AM
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Thank you Angela. As you can see, my team and I are very committed to this topic. Please let me know if we can help answer questions regarding securing the voting process.
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Re: Do you believe electronic voting can be hacker-proof?
Jun 24, 2008 3:08 PM
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Hi mrrfid and welcome to the HBO forums! 
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Re: Do you believe electronic voting can be hacker-proof?
Jun 24, 2008 1:35 AM
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Americans DO NOT have confidence in our current voting process
That?s how an overwhelming majority of people responded in my company's poll., here: http://RFIDWizards.com/securevote
HBO Films recent movie, Recount, dramatically depicts the fiasco of events that occurred during the 2000 presidential election (George W. Bush versus Al Gore). America's voting process typically involves volunteers dragging equipment and ballots to central counting facilities in the late evening, after polling is closed. In 2000, rumors abounded of trash bags of ballots found by Florida roadsides (though the adamant witnesses never produced those trash bags).
Eight years later, little has been done to address what happened in 2000. Voters must still rely upon physical polling, and as a result, a physical chain of custody. The consensus among policymakers, registrars of voting, advocacy groups and non-government organizations like the Association for Computing Machinery and BlackBoxVoting is that paper balloting is necessary, and that the chain of custody must be secured.
ONE county has greatly improved the security of the voting process to and ensuring everyone?s vote counts. Alameda County, California has successfully used Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) technology to secure the chain of custody for its election process - TWICE. We have been following the efforts closely. Alameda County has been working with Motorola and RFID Global Solution to develop SecureVote? - a system that significantly improves upon the prior bar code based system.
Registry of Voters employees and volunteers are able to read and verify the contents of every bag in an hour and twenty minutes, versus the four or five hours that is typical using bar codes. The difference is in eliminating the manual process of opening each bag, matching bar code numbers manually, closing and resealing. A bag scanned by RFID that registers no errors does not need be opened, which greatly improves security and virtually eliminates the possibility of vote tampering.
US voters and policymakers are very concerned about the security of the vote including vote tampering, security in the chain of custody, and certainty that all votes are counted. Each of these challenges can be met using the same technologies that, for example, the Department of Defense uses in asset tracking, and which consumers trust in retail applications. In the case of Alameda County, RFID technology enabled the Registrar of Voters to monitor the chain of custody in real time, to ensure that all votes were counted, and to streamline a five hour process into less than two hours.
Given the upcoming presidential election, we believe more counties around the country should embrace this solution. If they act now, they can have this implemented before the November election and ensure everyone's vote counts. Not only do they owe it to the voters, they owe it to themselves, and our children.
Here's our in-depth article on how our voting system can be secured to ensure every vote counts:
Alameda County, CA Successfully Uses RFID Technology to Secure and Streamline Voting Process
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Re: Do you believe electronic voting can be hacker-proof?
Jun 5, 2008 11:21 AM
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It certianly does bring some interesting things to light. I am not sure what disturbed me more, Diebold lying or the voting not being tamperproof. It also goes to show that one person can make a difference.
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Re: Do you believe electronic voting can be hacker-proof?
Jun 4, 2008 4:05 AM
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You're making the assumption that old 70 year olds are trusting. Most old people I know don't trust me to help them across the street.
You use the word "probably". Where is the documented proof that this happened? If it did, I'm sure it's easy to get the people who were in control of these machines to say who was able to get access to them.
I always find it funny that when people shout voter fraud, they assume it's Republican. John Kerry narrowly won Republican counties in 2004 where more votes were cast than actual residents in the counties. The reason the Dems don't push it totally is because their own fraud will be shown.
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Re: Do you believe electronic voting can be hacker-proof?
Jun 3, 2008 3:38 PM
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> Nothing is hacker-proof. I watched that documentary
> on hacking the Diebold machines. It involved access
> to the voting machine and/or memory card that no one
> would (or maybe should) have direct access to alone.
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> The way to prevent any question in electronic voting
> machines is to initiate security around the machines
> and their cards. If you can't get access to them,
> you can't hack them.
In my area, with the campaign workers averaging an age of 70, it would probably be very easy to gain access to the machines and do whatever. Not that it's a huge area, but even with the best security, from what I've seen on those machines, anyone with people skills can get enough time to access them.
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Re: Do you believe electronic voting can be hacker-proof?
Jun 3, 2008 6:04 AM
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Nothing is hacker-proof. I watched that documentary on hacking the Diebold machines. It involved access to the voting machine and/or memory card that no one would (or maybe should) have direct access to alone.
The way to prevent any question in electronic voting machines is to initiate security around the machines and their cards. If you can't get access to them, you can't hack them.
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Re: Do you believe electronic voting can be hacker-proof?
Jun 2, 2008 1:43 PM
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I wonder how many other states have problems and they are just swept under the rug. I think there needs to be some kind of system that is the same for everyone of course with checks and balances along the way.
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Re: Do you believe electronic voting can be hacker-proof?
Jun 1, 2008 3:29 PM
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> I watched this last night and was like WOW I could
> not believe what went on. Now it really makes you
> wonder if your vote counts in the end.
And what is it about Florida? Now the delegates for the Democratic nomination are still an issue (even though it was "decided" yesterday). I just hope we get through one election without someone in Florida causing problems.
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Re: Do you believe electronic voting can be hacker-proof?
May 31, 2008 12:19 PM
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> I watched a great movie about this the other night
> called "Hacking Democracy" it had some very
> interesting points.
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I watched this last night and was like WOW I could not believe what went on. Now it really makes you wonder if your vote counts in the end.
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Re: Do you believe electronic voting can be hacker-proof?
May 28, 2008 11:44 AM
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I think right now, in our time, that there is no way to make electronic voting 100% hacker-proof. With something as critically important as voting, it would absolutely have to be. Just the thought of electronic voting gives me nightmares.
Perhaps in the distant future, as our technologies advance, it *might* be a possibility, but I don't see people sitting down at laptops and voting from home even then. There would have to be some kind of advanced technology that verifies a person's identity, something involving DNA, retinal scans, things like that. Very complicated (and annoying) stuff I would imagine!
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Re: Do you believe electronic voting can be hacker-proof?
May 25, 2008 11:41 PM
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Computers and computer networks cannot be made "hacker-proof," at least with today's geek-ware. Ergo, electronic voting cannot be made hacker proof.
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Re: Do you believe electronic voting can be hacker-proof?
May 25, 2008 11:23 PM
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No matter how well you build them they will always be flawed.
Profession: Hacker/Software Developer 15 years
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Re: Do you believe electronic voting can be hacker-proof?
May 23, 2008 11:34 AM
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I don't believe anything could be hacker-proof, not 100%. What will be interesting to see is how they decide to qualify the results, what margins of error they set.
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