|
|
As America hurtles toward the next presidential race, the HBO film
'Recount' will relive the fervor of 2000's messy election. Kevin Spacey
and Denis Leary take Al Gore's fight to the courts on May 25 - make your own case here on the boards, where the most cogent arguments will be featured in a special poll on HBO.com. And don't worry - this time all the votes will be counted.
The question: Do you believe the Supreme Court's handling of Gore v. Bush was partisan?
|
Posts:
385
Registered:
1/17/08
|
|
(62 of 62)
Re: Do you believe the Supreme Court's handling of Gore v. Bush was partisan?
Jun 29, 2008 3:25 PM
|
> You are so right. Neither side was a 'little guy' and
> each side has formidable power.
Which I agree with. Though it would have been a bit more interesting if it was say, the Libertarian party instead of the Democratic party.
|
|
|
Posts:
464
Registered:
1/17/08
|
|
(61 of 62)
Re: Do you believe the Supreme Court's handling of Gore v. Bush was partisan?
Jun 12, 2008 5:28 PM
|
|
You are so right. Neither side was a 'little guy' and each side has formidable power.
|
|
|
Posts:
10
Registered:
6/9/08
|
|
(60 of 62)
Re: Do you believe the Supreme Court's handling of Gore v. Bush was partisan?
Jun 9, 2008 3:30 PM
|
Although GW has had a truly miserable presidency and it probably would've been better if Gore had been elected, the USSC made the right decision.
I am a little surprised at HBO's depiction showing the Gore's camp as the noble, little-guy who can never win against the big bad GOP.
Fact is, if you allowed Florida to re-count every vote you'd have to let every other state do the same thing. And if I remember correctly, Gore's camp didn't want every state to be re-counted, just Florida.
|
|
|
Posts:
385
Registered:
1/17/08
|
|
(59 of 62)
Re: Do you believe the Supreme Court's handling of Gore v. Bush was partisa
Jun 8, 2008 3:36 PM
|
> It's just like statistics, you can manipulate them to
> prove anything you want to.
Go to agree there. 
Darn statistics!
|
|
|
Posts:
464
Registered:
1/17/08
|
|
(58 of 62)
Re: Do you believe the Supreme Court's handling of Gore v. Bush was partisa
Jun 5, 2008 5:43 PM
|
|
It's just like statistics, you can manipulate them to prove anything you want to.
|
|
|
Posts:
6
Registered:
6/3/08
|
|
(57 of 62)
Re: Do you believe the Supreme Court's handling of Gore v. Bush was partisa
Jun 3, 2008 6:00 AM
|
> After watching the movie "Bush's Brain", I believe
> that Karl Rove was the genius who devised the ballot
> for West Palm Beach.
Your like most Democrats. You basically believe anything that is told to you, and make your own assumptions without actual fact.
Let's stick to actual facts. Theresa LePore invented the butterfly ballot. In 2000, she was Supervisor of Elections for Palm Beach County, Florida. She was also a Democrat.
> There was no reason why they could not have gathered those people that voted in some > major convention center and had them verified as a legitimate voter and ask them
> straight up, who did you cast your vote for?
Because it's against the law.
> I heard people say that Gore said he "invented the Internet".
> He would have to be an idiot to claim this.
His own words... "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the internet"
> Its obvious that the real winner in the battle (besides W) was the Supreme Court. They > successfully fulfilled the role they were appointed to perform by their masters. They > wielded their power in an entirely partisan manner against all sense of justice for > their real client
The Court's opinion was 7-2 which held that the Florida Supreme Court's method for recounting ballots was unconstitutional. They also stated that Three of the concurring justices also asserted that the Florida Supreme Court had violated Article II, § 1, cl. 2 of the Constitution (misinterpreting Florida election law that had been enacted by the Florida Legislature.) That's hardly partisan. Remember, the Florida Supreme Court violated election law, and they weren't on Bush's side. You all seem to miss that point. If they hadn't violated the law in the first place, then it would have never ended up in the US Supreme Court.
> Issuing a one time only ruling undermines the legitimacy of the court. Every case the > court decides is unique. No two set of circumstances is ever the same. To say that > Bush v. Gore is not allow to be used as a precedent in any future case due to the > special nature of the case is absurd. Shame on them all.
Maybe you need to read the opinion instead of taking a movie at it's word. No where does it state that it's a "one time only" ruling.
> Almost every single Justice on The Supreme Court that day in December 2000 was > nominated by a Republican President.
Ginsberg and Breyer were nominated by Clinton. They happen to be 2 of the most partisan justices on the court.
> Funny, the only things we were supposed to seperate were church and state.
Where in the constitution does it state this?
|
|
|
Posts:
6
Registered:
4/2/08
|
|
(56 of 62)
Re: Do you believe the Supreme Court's handling of Gore v. Bush was partisa
Jun 2, 2008 10:20 PM
|
After watching the movie "Bush's Brain", I believe that Karl Rove was the genius who devised the ballot for West Palm Beach. My In-laws voted in that precinct and when they came home, they were not sure exactly who they did vote for. Their intention was a vote for Gore.
When you vote, you show your ID, sign their roster and are given a receipt/confirmation of your voting.
There was no reason why they could not have gathered those people that voted in some major convention center and had them verified as a legitimate voter and ask them straight up, who did you cast your vote for?
It would have been fair, not as time consuming and as costly as the way they ended up handling the matter.
I believe that they knew that the debacle would be discovered and they were then able to cover their asses by making sure that the ballots where Gore would be punched, would be subject to hanging due to the process of printing/developing those ballots per Rove's doing.
At this point, I do not put anything past Rove, Bush, Cheney and the rest of them.
I just watched the Documentary about Enron and believe me anything is possible during this administration.
Al Gore was our first "Working Vice-President" ever. He would have made a great President. I heard people say that Gore said he "invented the Internet". He would have to be an idiot to claim this. If you use your common sense, you would have investigated that accusation to find out that he "invented the internet sites of dotgov. .Gov sites allow citizens to access all government sites for information, etc. , and has become a wonderful tool for so many people. For Gore to think of it, devise it and to see it to fruition is worthy of praise rather than ridicule.
It is a crime how this was handled and we missed out on having a great man lead us instead of a greedy crook.
You ask me if I believe that it was partisan......yes and collusion from Rove, Jeb Bush, Kathleen Harris to the Supreme Court.
--
Edited by Patricia9445 at 06/02/2008 7:23 PM PDT
|
|
|
Posts:
1
Registered:
5/29/08
|
|
(55 of 62)
Re: Do you believe the Supreme Court's handling of Gore v. Bush was partisan?
May 29, 2008 6:29 PM
|
The New York Times counted all of the votes from the 2000 Presidential election in Florida. The article appeared in the summer of 2001.
Bush would have won if the votes were counted using the standards preferred by Gore.
Gore would have won if the votes were counted using the Bush standards.
Bush would have won if all of the votes were counted before the Supreme Court put an end to recounting the votes.
Bush was the actual winner. The Supreme Court decision didn't affect who won the election. Bush won.
|
|
|
Posts:
464
Registered:
1/17/08
|
|
(54 of 62)
Re: Do you believe the Supreme Court's handling of Gore v. Bush was partisan?
May 29, 2008 6:06 PM
|
|
Some of it still confusing me......
|
|
|
Posts:
269
Registered:
2/21/08
|
|
(53 of 62)
Re: Do you believe the Supreme Court's handling of Gore v. Bush was partisan?
May 29, 2008 11:30 AM
|
> No matter what they said, they did order a stop to
> all counting until it was too late and impossible to
> finish before the Dec 12 deadline.
I really liked how they showed and explained each verdict so we could understand that. I never understood why they stopped. Every decision seemed to contradict the other. Talk about confusing!
--
__________________________
Jaydes
HBO Forums Host
|
|
|
Posts:
4,579
Registered:
2/5/06
|
|
(52 of 62)
Re: Do you believe the Supreme Court's handling of Gore v. Bush was partisa
May 27, 2008 11:11 PM
|
> Infoseek,
> Great post! I understood that Gadsden Co., Fla.
> somehow wound up with a large Bush count though it
> has a heavily Democratic Party voter registration.
Thanks. *sigh*
A lot went into it and its worth that much. I'll explain it later in Bill Maher's board.
Kevin Spacey is the negotiator, but this film...
Sorry, MB is the only one I believe in; I don't hog around for no better reason. I looked up and know somethings about some.
Yes, I've seen John Stewart, Colbert, hell I was a Big-Bill's fan, but the point is I'm no more than myself. I might not evolve as much or fast as the world, but I'm me.
This film isn't the best! It might be marketable for many purposes, but no soul in its very purpose!
Ban me anytime!
|
|
|
Posts:
2
Registered:
5/26/08
|
|
|
Posts:
24
Registered:
8/1/05
|
|
(50 of 62)
Re: Do you believe the Supreme Court's handling of Gore v. Bush was partisa
May 27, 2008 4:35 PM
|
|
First rule of recounts. Keep recounting until your guy wins. At some point somebody had to stop the clock on this thing. At some point somebody had to step in and establish a standard that would have protected the rights of all the citizens of Florida and indeed the United States. Unfortunately, nobody was equal to that task with the exception of the Supreme Court and unfortunately, no fair standards and procedures could be implemented in time to meet the deadline.
|
|
|
Posts:
464
Registered:
1/17/08
|
|
(49 of 62)
Re: Do you believe the Supreme Court's handling of Gore v. Bush was partisan?
May 27, 2008 3:21 PM
|
|
No matter what they said, they did order a stop to all counting until it was too late and impossible to finish before the Dec 12 deadline.
|
|
|
Posts:
220
Registered:
3/19/05
|
|
(48 of 62)
Re: Do you believe the Supreme Court's handling of Gore v. Bush was partisa
May 27, 2008 2:49 AM
|
Here's a link to the "Hustler" magazine article on the murder of Ray Lemme.
WARNING: no porno but it does have photos of his body, not for kids.
http://www.bradblog.com/Docs/ClintCurtis_RayLemme_Hust0906.pdf
It's related to the Florida voter fraud scandals in 2004 mostly.
--
Edited by s2grand at 05/26/2008 11:51 PM PDT
|
|
|
|
|
