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As America hurtles toward the next presidential race, the HBO film
'Recount' will relive the fervor of 2000's messy election. Kevin Spacey
and Denis Leary take Al Gore's fight to the courts on May 25 - make your own case here on the boards, where the most cogent arguments will be featured in a special poll on HBO.com. And don't worry - this time all the votes will be counted.
The question: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 26, 2008 9:30 AM
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Obviously, you forgot about the part where Gore only wanted a recount in the counties where he knew it was a heavy democratic area. Just goes to show that people will twist whatever information they can to support their agenda doesn't it?
However, where is it if you make a mistake with your ballot and don't let anyone know about it, then it is just assumed that you voted for Gore. The ballot design was approved by the democrats, a majority of the polling places are run by democrats
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 26, 2008 9:23 AM
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We would have had an INTELLIGENT leader who had been to war and was, therefore, able to comprehend fragile and complicated foreign affairs -- especially the Middle East
There would probably not have been a 9/11 attack because our leader would have been intelligent and well-respected enought to not antagonize every country and element that didn't agree with U.S. Policies. Our president would have been a veteran who understood war all too well and would probably not have invaded Iraq.
Between avoiding the 9/11 attack and the ill-conceived Iraq war, at least 7,000 more Americans would have been alive today!
He probably would have continued the Clinton/Gore economic policies that resulted in a surplus and the country would probably not have experienced the largest deficit in U.S. History. He would definitely have solved the energy crisis by now, instead of doing as Bush is doing and sitting back while we paid more and more for gasoline and his oil buddies got richer and richer.
I could go on all day about how much better off we would ALL be if the Supreme Court hadn't allowed Bush to steal the 2000 election.
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 26, 2008 3:10 AM
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If the Bush family flunkies hadn't stolen the election for him, I believe there would have been eight fewer years of listening to a mental retard give speeches. What moron would ever call Bush Jr. a leader?
If the election had not been stolen from Gore, our country would still have intact civil liberties. The US would still be number one in the world's eyes. American families would be safe in their homes with sound mortgages. The price of gas would be lower because Al Gore would not have been putting millions of barrels of oil into US reserves. I think there is a long list of attacks by the Bush Administration on the American Constitution that would never have happened.
9/11 would not have happened because Al Gore would have been listening when his advisers updated him about the danger of Osama bin laden.
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 26, 2008 2:16 AM
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Wow. You obviously didn't read the results of the recounts done by those external parties. Just goes to show that people will twist whatever information they can to support their agenda.
What those recounts showed was that either Bush or Gore would have won depending on what counties were counted (either statewide or the ones requested by the Gore campaign), what standards were used to interpret the ballots (dangling chad, dimpled chad, etc.) and whether undervotes (ballots that the machine rejected because it could not find a vote) or overvotes (ballots rejected because votes for two candidates were marked) were counted.
The articles point out that if the recount had proceeded, using the standards that were set for those counties doing the recounting, and only using the counties that the Gore campaign requested (i.e., what would have happened if the Supreme Court didn't stop what was taking place), Bush still would have won by less than 500.
However, if a statewide recount was done where all counties were forced to recount the disputed ballots, under most interpretation standards, Gore would have won.
The study also showed that it was in omitting the overcount ballots where Gore lost the election. These are ballots where someone voted for two candidates -- probably trying to correct an error or being confused that there were two pages (where the instructions said mark one vote for each page). Now, if you see a vote for Gore and a vote for Buchanan, you can probably assume they meant to vote for Gore, but legally the intent is unclear, so that can't be counted. However, if you see a vote for Gore and a write-in vote for Gore on the same ballot, clearly the intent is a vote for Gore. Most ballots that had two entries where the write-in matched the other were not counted. If they were, Gore would have won.
It's simply amazing that these polling places didn't have machines in-place to verify that ballots were in fact valid before the voters left the polling place.
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May 26, 2008 2:02 AM
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> Well, I have to agree with everyone here so far.
> There appears to be a consensus. It's a safe bet
> that, with his much greater grasp of foreign-policy
> issues -- and his experience in meeting with foreign
> leaders and helping to shape policy -- he probably
> would have known better not to invade Iraq based on
> faulty intel.
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> Or he would have vetted the intel with much more
> care, and would not have rushed to war. And, as
> someone pointed out, Gore clearly values the role of
> diplomacy much more than Bush.
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> Just think of how much better off America would be
> had we not become sucked into the 10 or 20 year long
> quagmire that the Iraq war will turn out to be. Just
> imagine what could have been done with the $2 or $3
> trillion that the war will cost by the time it is
> over.
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> And, with Gore's concern for, and knowledge about,
> environmental issues, we would not have seen the
> e stubborn denial about climate change we have seen
> from the Bush admin.
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> And Gore certainly would not have allowed CEOs of
> companies whose industries were regulated by the EPA
> to help re-write (and dramatically weaken) the very
> laws that had been designed to keep those industries
> from emitting more toxins into the environment.
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> Too bad HBO didn't air this movie during the summer
> of 2004. Maybe it would have awakened some people to
> the shennanigans and election-fixing that occured in
> Fla in 2000 -- enough so that they would not have
> voted for Bush again.
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> Edited by PeaceBeWithYou at 04/28/2008 1:19 PM PDT
Oh but Peace..all that money Halliburton and KBR made would not have been made with Gore! The oil companies would hardly have a dime left to their name if Gore had been allowed to take office. Why..Enron and Blackwater would not be known...and the Constitution would still have some weight and power, without all those handy dandy signing statements to dismiss all common rule and law that Bush dismisses at a whim, due to his nifty "War on Terror" campaign that he can't seem to make a dent in. So it's a good thing Bush came on the scene, or all that money and corruption and robbery of the American treasury would not have happened. Yay, GOP and Rove and Bush, and PNAC..way to go...
(sigh)
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 26, 2008 12:47 AM
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Wow, after about 15 recounts or more (even one by the New York Times) and GWB was determined to be the winner after each one, let's get over this.
Al Gore as president, we would still be having attacks on US soil and US interests, just as much as when he WAS vice president. We wouldn't have to worry about gas prices because he is against combustion engines. His global warming scam would have completely destroyed the US economy by now. That's only a few things that would have gone wrong.
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 26, 2008 12:05 AM
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If Gore was president there would still be about 150,000 Iraqi civilians alive and over 4000 of our soldiers. We would not have invaded Iraq. Instead we would have looked in other countries for the real terrorist's. Such as Bush's friends the Saudis.
911---14 of the 19 hijackers from Saudi Arabia
0 from Iraq
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 25, 2008 11:47 PM
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High taxes. Many more wacko Global Warn-ists. No protection from Terrorists. High Gas prices as well. Suppressed speech. More Democrat Crybabies. A massive Wave of Ignorant Repubs flocking to vote for ANY repub in 04 and 06 and 08.
Geez. Both Sides REALLY SUCK. What the hell happened to civil logic and out of the box thinking. Two things this country was built on.
This year I do believe it will be BUGS BUNNY as President. At least Bugs has a sense of humor and an old style way of doing things.
BTW Everybody who continues to whine about gas prices and the housing market are simply low budget idiots who cannot adapt. The greatest generation and the generation before them did just fine and only whined underneath their covers where other real men could not see.
All you babies GROW UP and realize that this is here to stay. ADAPT!!!
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Edited by dorlasher at 05/25/2008 8:52 PM PDT
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 25, 2008 11:26 PM
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Umm let me see
Global Warming
Wasteful war in Iraq
Gas prices at 4.00
Economy in the worst state ever thanks to the republican party.
Anyone see a 6'5" man on dialysis running around in the desert?
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 25, 2008 11:13 PM
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An actual human being would have been running the country - with the interest of preserving and raising humanity - instead of a political machine driven by lust for power and greed which is totally devoid of morality.
Shall I go on?
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 24, 2008 11:56 PM
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A load of horse shit from a bunch of idiots and haters.
More wackos of the Daily Kos/moveon.org/Keith Olbermann set.
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Edited by FauxPaws at 05/24/2008 8:57 PM PDT
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 24, 2008 5:02 AM
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 23, 2008 5:13 PM
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First, I believe that the election was played with. Secondly, with the presidency on the republican side, we are always into war, also economic depression. Now, if Gore had been president, there would have been higher resources, increase in education help , higher economic prosperity, peace, and great foreign relations. Look at Bill Clinton for 8 years and watch G.bush for 8. You make the choice.
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Edited by osuhail at 05/23/2008 2:15 PM PDT
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 23, 2008 3:26 PM
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Hi Trutherteller, welcome to the HBO forums!
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 23, 2008 2:24 PM
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If Gore were president 9/11 wouldn't have happened because Bushitler/Rove planned it so they could inact the patriot act and have war on Iraq. 9/11 was an inside job!
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