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How do modern presidents compare to the founders?
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Re: Modern Presidents vs. Founding Fathers
Jun 12, 2008 11:33 AM
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> > >
> > > I think this obama question has latent
> meaning,
> > being
> > > will he favor blacks.
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> > That remains to be seen, doesn't it? It's hard
> (at
> > least for me) to put alot of stock into what a
> > politician says in the heat of campaigning,
> because
> > they will say anything they have to more or less
> to
> > appeal to the majority. So when it comes to
> this
> > issue, Obama is being very careful. I think
> that
> > there can be a fair amount of favoritism by an
> > elected official, depending on where he stands
> and
> > what his special interests are. I think it's
> > unavoidable. I would like to think that he
> would be
> > a President for everyone, but again, I don't
> think
> > there has been or will be such a thing.
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> I don't think it remains to be seen. the latent
> function of the question, "will obama be a president
> for all" is a racially charged question left out
> there to scare people. It is unfortunate that white
> candidates and the media do this, but it is a fact.
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Aren't there always people who claim "I didn't vote for him. He isn't my president." There will always be some who are unsatisfied with the results. I think you may have left out the gender issue in this. This is a historical race with a female coming so close to being the nominee. What are your thoughts on that aspect?
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Re: Modern Presidents vs. Founding Fathers
May 23, 2008 10:25 PM
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he is American and will do more for this country than Bush. Bush has brought this country to its knees and no one is afraid of him or people like him: McCain. and no one makes asks them that question.
the whole economy is in the tank, and ONLY oil companies are making profits. Record, unprecedented, profits that should embarrass them. Bush, just happens to be an oil man. Is anyone asking, whether he is protecting all of America? is he under investigation for his fleecing of America under the guise of letting the free market resolve problems?
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Re: Modern Presidents vs. Founding Fathers
May 21, 2008 11:29 AM
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> I don't think it remains to be seen. the latent
> function of the question, "will obama be a president
> for all" is a racially charged question left out
> there to scare people. It is unfortunate that white
> candidates and the media do this, but it is a fact.
It doesn't scare me personally speaking, but it concerns me. It concerns me only because I want Obama, if elected my President, to be an equal and just president. I expect this from my president no matter what his skin color happens to be. A president should always be for the people, every people. This hasn't always been the case, I understand. But we really don't know what he will do as president, and that is why I said remains to be seen. It's hard to tell which way he is going to go sometimes. I just hope that he is as good a man as he appears to be and if elected president, will work hard for all of us.
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Re: Modern Presidents vs. Founding Fathers
May 16, 2008 7:28 AM
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> >
> > I think this obama question has latent meaning,
> being
> > will he favor blacks.
>
> That remains to be seen, doesn't it? It's hard (at
> least for me) to put alot of stock into what a
> politician says in the heat of campaigning, because
> they will say anything they have to more or less to
> appeal to the majority. So when it comes to this
> issue, Obama is being very careful. I think that
> there can be a fair amount of favoritism by an
> elected official, depending on where he stands and
> what his special interests are. I think it's
> unavoidable. I would like to think that he would be
> a President for everyone, but again, I don't think
> there has been or will be such a thing.
>
> --
> *********
> Host_Ginna
> HBO Forums Host
I don't think it remains to be seen. the latent function of the question, "will obama be a president for all" is a racially charged question left out there to scare people. It is unfortunate that white candidates and the media do this, but it is a fact.
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Re: Modern Presidents vs. Founding Fathers
May 14, 2008 11:41 AM
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> Obama is an American. Obama is a lawyer who taught
> constitutional law. Obama has no racial issues to
> explain to anyone. Obama's story is quintessentially
> American.
Obama should have no racial issues to explain to anyone, but this will inevitably will and has come up because he is making American history right now as the first real viable African American contender to become President of the United States. With Obama we are forced as a country to look at our history and our personal feelings about race. Does it matter? Should it? Some are asking this of themselves. Of course, it should not matter one iota of a candidates skin color. It's his strength, character, intelligence, leadership and experience that we should be looking at. Obama is a strong man, a strong candidate that will be a force in November against McCain.
So while we may not want to look at the race issue, it's actually a good thing. It was only decades ago that we had segregation of schools. Rosa Parks. Violent protests. Dr. King spoke of his dream. Now it's 2008, and one of our presidential candidates is African American. It's a wonderful, important time in our history, one we should all be truly proud of.
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Re: Modern Presidents vs. Founding Fathers
May 8, 2008 2:27 PM
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> >
> > Bottom line; drop the race card. It is invalid
> in
> > this day and age.
Curiously, it's mostly nonblack people who insist on such a thing as a "race card" as if race and discrimination is a board game....
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Re: Modern Presidents vs. Founding Fathers
May 8, 2008 2:25 PM
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> A response to everyone about slavery. It is wrong and
> we know it was wrong. We need to move on. I do not
> own a slave and no one I know in the Greatest County
> in the world owns a slave (in the USA to date). If
> you want we can talk about Egypt and other countries
> that keep slaves. LET IT GO! I AM NOT RESPONSBLE! I
> respect those who respect me, regardless of race. In
> fact some of the most prominent men and women in the
> greatest county in the world (USA) are black or Asian
> etc. I can name numerous success stories of specific
> ethnicities if needed, but I think those who are
> involved in this blog know better than to go down
> that path.
>
> Bottom line; drop the race card. It is invalid in
> this day and age. Give me an American that emanates
> love of country, fortitude and I will support that
> candidate, democrat or republican, black, white, or
> blue. As far as Obama is concerned he has his own
> racial issues to address. When the people that you
> associate with dam America, it raises an eyebrow to
> me. When your wife is not proud to state that she
> lives in the greatest county on the planet that is an
> issue. What is being questioned is if Obama has the
> perspective of those past Presidents who loved the
> constitution and this country. What is being
> questioned is his patriotism. Does he love the USA
> for what it stands for and how it is trying to adapt
> and how it has changed. The answer to that from what
> I can see is no. That disturbs me. Any time I See a
> candidate that thinks the USA is always wrong makes
> me sick. The US is always the first to send aid (to
> those in need), but the last to receive it or request
> it.
>
> I respect this county and all those who have given
> their lives to grant me the ability to speak on this
> topic. I am an American and will always be proud of
> that, and being an American gives me the ability to
> express my point of view. As an American I ask that
> you view the candidates with American conviction. I
> do not care what Europe thinks of us or any one else.
> We need to do what is right for our county as we did
> in 1776.
Black Americans have bled fought and died for America in EVERY war that she has engaged in. This is despite being treated as 2nd class citizens and being denied the equality so eloquently written about in the constitution. If Black Americans continue to bleed and die for a country which has historically been inhospitable to them, then there should be no question about the "patriotism" of any Black American.
Furthermore, one of the most patriotic things you can do is criticize a government that has overreached its bounds and lied to the people.
Obama is an American. Obama is a lawyer who taught constitutional law. Obama has no racial issues to explain to anyone. Obama's story is quintessentially American.
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Re: Modern Presidents vs. Founding Fathers
May 8, 2008 2:18 PM
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> > > > The "media" tries to stick Obama with
> the
> > > > question.."Is he going to be a
> president
> > for
> > > > everybody?" When, we haven't had 1
> > president
> > > who was
> > > > really for "everybody" from George
> > Washington
> > > to
> > > > George Bush. period.
> > >
> > > I don't know if there is such a thing as a
> > "President
> > > for everybody." We live in a country with
> so
> > many
> > > different views, political parties,
> lifestyles,
> > > opinions, whathaveyou, that it would be
> > impossible.
> > > I definately don't think Obama will change
> that
> > way
> > > y of thinking if he is elected.
> > >
> > > --
> > > *********
> > > Host_Ginna
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> >
> >
> > I think this obama question has latent meaning,
> being
> > will he favor blacks.
>
> That remains to be seen, doesn't it? It's hard (at
> least for me) to put alot of stock into what a
> politician says in the heat of campaigning, because
> they will say anything they have to more or less to
> appeal to the majority. So when it comes to this
> issue, Obama is being very careful. I think that
> there can be a fair amount of favoritism by an
> elected official, depending on where he stands and
> what his special interests are. I think it's
> unavoidable. I would like to think that he would be
> a President for everyone, but again, I don't think
> there has been or will be such a thing.
>
> --
> *********
> Host_Ginna
> HBO Forums Host
There are only 38 - 40 million blacks in the country. Perhaps if the virgin islands and puerto rico were states this number might expand slightly. So that's what 12 or 13 percent of the nearly 300 million. In addition the majority of persons on welfare are white women and children. In what way could Obama "favor" blacks as a president that would be in any way meaningful?
Why is it even a concern since Obama is also half white, and raised by his mother's side of the family? Will he favor his white side?
Haven't politicians been favoring whites, and especially landowning, affluent male ones, for over 200 years now?
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Re: Modern Presidents vs. Founding Fathers
May 7, 2008 11:39 AM
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> > > The "media" tries to stick Obama with the
> > > question.."Is he going to be a president
> for
> > > everybody?" When, we haven't had 1
> president
> > who was
> > > really for "everybody" from George
> Washington
> > to
> > > George Bush. period.
> >
> > I don't know if there is such a thing as a
> "President
> > for everybody." We live in a country with so
> many
> > different views, political parties, lifestyles,
> > opinions, whathaveyou, that it would be
> impossible.
> > I definately don't think Obama will change that
> way
> > y of thinking if he is elected.
> >
> > --
> > *********
> > Host_Ginna
> > HBO Forums Host
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>
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> I think this obama question has latent meaning, being
> will he favor blacks.
That remains to be seen, doesn't it? It's hard (at least for me) to put alot of stock into what a politician says in the heat of campaigning, because they will say anything they have to more or less to appeal to the majority. So when it comes to this issue, Obama is being very careful. I think that there can be a fair amount of favoritism by an elected official, depending on where he stands and what his special interests are. I think it's unavoidable. I would like to think that he would be a President for everyone, but again, I don't think there has been or will be such a thing.
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Re: Modern Presidents vs. Founding Fathers
May 1, 2008 3:36 PM
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> > The "media" tries to stick Obama with the
> > question.."Is he going to be a president for
> > everybody?" When, we haven't had 1 president
> who was
> > really for "everybody" from George Washington
> to
> > George Bush. period.
>
> I don't know if there is such a thing as a "President
> for everybody." We live in a country with so many
> different views, political parties, lifestyles,
> opinions, whathaveyou, that it would be impossible.
> I definately don't think Obama will change that way
> y of thinking if he is elected.
>
> --
> *********
> Host_Ginna
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I think this obama question has latent meaning, being will he favor blacks.
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Re: Modern Presidents vs. Founding Fathers
Apr 30, 2008 11:47 AM
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> The "media" tries to stick Obama with the
> question.."Is he going to be a president for
> everybody?" When, we haven't had 1 president who was
> really for "everybody" from George Washington to
> George Bush. period.
I don't know if there is such a thing as a "President for everybody." We live in a country with so many different views, political parties, lifestyles, opinions, whathaveyou, that it would be impossible. I definately don't think Obama will change that way of thinking if he is elected.
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Re: Modern Presidents vs. Founding Fathers
Apr 27, 2008 5:50 PM
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this question is too broad to answer.
Those were different times with different problems.
Presidents were more independent back then. today presidents are scrutinized much more and by all people.
One thing I can say for sure, is todays presidents believ in democratic rule much more than back then.
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Re: Modern Presidents vs. Founding Fathers
Apr 27, 2008 1:44 AM
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A response to everyone about slavery. It is wrong and we know it was wrong. We need to move on. I do not own a slave and no one I know in the Greatest County in the world owns a slave (in the USA to date). If you want we can talk about Egypt and other countries that keep slaves. LET IT GO! I AM NOT RESPONSBLE! I respect those who respect me, regardless of race. In fact some of the most prominent men and women in the greatest county in the world (USA) are black or Asian etc. I can name numerous success stories of specific ethnicities if needed, but I think those who are involved in this blog know better than to go down that path.
Bottom line; drop the race card. It is invalid in this day and age. Give me an American that emanates love of country, fortitude and I will support that candidate, democrat or republican, black, white, or blue. As far as Obama is concerned he has his own racial issues to address. When the people that you associate with dam America, it raises an eyebrow to me. When your wife is not proud to state that she lives in the greatest county on the planet that is an issue. What is being questioned is if Obama has the perspective of those past Presidents who loved the constitution and this country. What is being questioned is his patriotism. Does he love the USA for what it stands for and how it is trying to adapt and how it has changed. The answer to that from what I can see is no. That disturbs me. Any time I See a candidate that thinks the USA is always wrong makes me sick. The US is always the first to send aid (to those in need), but the last to receive it or request it.
I respect this county and all those who have given their lives to grant me the ability to speak on this topic. I am an American and will always be proud of that, and being an American gives me the ability to express my point of view. As an American I ask that you view the candidates with American conviction. I do not care what Europe thinks of us or any one else. We need to do what is right for our county as we did in 1776.
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Re: Modern Presidents vs. Founding Fathers
Apr 26, 2008 3:07 AM
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treagenkier: Just because they go to church doesn't mean they're Christians or even holy. They might think they're holier than thou, but not above God as they think they are. And just because people go to church, doesn't mean they are religious either. Many are phonies who only believe what they want to believe from the bible. After all, the bible was translated and can we trust those who did the translation. Ever hear of what they left out of the bible?
Back then, I'm sure they were intelligent, but probably not as intelligent compared to today's standards. Different times; different standards. The best philosophy is not what you read, but what you see. The printed word can always be either misinterpreted or down right fiction. After all, we weren't there to witness it so we can only assume this to be fact.
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Re: Modern Presidents vs. Founding Fathers
Apr 26, 2008 2:56 AM
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Our founding fathers were slave owners. It's cheaper to use humans as free labor and destroy, not 1 culture with africans, destroy the native americans as well, and reward the natives that helped with casinos and hard rock cafe's....We won't even discuss what the "US policy" has done to the Arabics & Mexicans.
that being said.
The "media" tries to stick Obama with the question.."Is he going to be a president for everybody?" When, we haven't had 1 president who was really for "everybody" from George Washington to George Bush. period.
What god do all these christians pray to again??
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