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As America hurtles toward the next presidential race, the HBO film
'Recount' will relive the fervor of 2000's messy election. Kevin Spacey
and Denis Leary take Al Gore's fight to the courts on May 25 - make your own case here on the boards, where the most cogent arguments will be featured in a special poll on HBO.com. And don't worry - this time all the votes will be counted.
The question: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 14, 2008 12:12 AM
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> Yeah, why didn't Gore run again in '04?? He knew he
> won in 2000, so why not try again??
After the way he got smeared by the Republicans, and having to put up with all of those imbecilic, vicious lies they told about him, and then watching the Bush Crime Family fix the election in Florida, and then seeing the Conservos on the Supreme Court essentially steal the national election for Bush by arbitrarily and capriciously ordering a stop to the recount, I am sure he was completely disgusted by the political process.
I wouldnt go through that again either, if I were him, after having the presidency stolen from him. I am sure that such an experience would make anyone feel so much contempt for the Republicans that they not want to sully themselves by having to deal with that kind of scum ever again
He's better off out of politics. He's doing more good educating the masses on the dangers of rapid climate change -- and pushing back against the similarly retarded lies being spoon fed to the masses (this time about climate change) by the same Republican pricks who fucked him over in 2000
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Edited by WeHappyFew at 05/13/2008 9:13 PM PDT
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 9, 2008 6:03 PM
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I don't understand why Gore didn't run in 2004, perhaps he didn't have the funds. In 2004 I was disappointed in the primary. I was hoping Wesley Clark would be elected. I still wish he would be considered to run with with either Clinton or Obamha. The thought of McCain winning really worries me. We need to have change, not some tired no nothing, dusting off the steps of Bush.
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 8, 2008 5:16 PM
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> Maybe I'll write a spy/thriller using that as my plot
> basis.
That would make some terrific reading!
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 8, 2008 1:14 PM
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Yeah, why didn't Gore run again in '04?? He knew he won in 2000, so why not try again?? One might say the same for Kerry.
Who got to him? What does he know that keeps him out of politics?? Another poster called it a veritable coup de etat, and thats about right.
You have to wonder, just why did he roll over and obey?
Why did he never get back in the game??
Maybe I'll write a spy/thriller using that as my plot basis.
(And to GZNDYT- Maybe you should have submitted an absentee ballot where you used to live??)
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Edited by spydoy1 at 05/08/2008 10:17 AM PDT
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 3, 2008 7:04 PM
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After 911 we were all shaken up, and felt violated and frightened. We needed a leader with an answer. Unfortunately, the most alarming part of it all turned out to be our leader, the one we looked to for the answer. I really think Gore would have handled the sending of the troops and the military strategies differently. It wouldn't have been as profitable to him as it was to our current administration. Gore would have also started some viable solutions to global warming instead of denying it for the first 6 years. Most likely we would have had a better economy due to the fact that many of our jobs would still be in this country. As a country we could still operate without giving contracts to special interest groups and privatizing our whole system... I really can?t imagine that it could have been worse than it is now.
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 3, 2008 12:32 AM
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The cast is pretty good. This is going to be one great show. I can't wait.
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Re: How would a Gore presidency have been different?
May 2, 2008 5:31 PM
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Couldn't agree more, maddahari. It's so bizarre that Diebold would even bother to stop the airing of the HBO documentary, "Hacking Democracy" back in 2006. No worry after all, the airing caused nary a ripple. "Recount" will show the more massive, systemic corruption, but it's all too little, too late.
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Apr 30, 2008 11:50 PM
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As I hang my head in shame, I have to confess, I'm from the land of the Muggy and Buggy (Fla.). I think one would have to be a village idiot to believe that the polls were not rigged here. The communities that were supposed to have elected Bush or Buchanan were always and still are so chronically Democrat. Everyone who lived in the S. Fl area was shocked. South Fl was like a wake after the almost impossible news that Bush had won. Of course his brother was governor and the voting cards were confusing, especially for the elderly or visually impaired. Say what you want, the whole election was a farce, something you would read about in a John Gresham novel. What was really scary was reelection in 2004. However that election had its problems also. By 2004 the damage was done. The Bush buddies and oil mongers got what they wanted.
Let people bitch, they have the right, let Obama?s preacher make a jerk of himself, he has the right along with every irritating candidate. If this annoys anyone, simply shut off the radio or TV..
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Apr 30, 2008 9:09 PM
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Messy election. What an absolutely stunning phrase, as if we're discussing a messy closet.
NO. The 2000 election was a coup d'etat, a systemic corruption of our voting system, devised by Karl Rove, aided and abetted by Diebold and others, delivered to the people by propoganda FOX network, and finalized by the bourgoisie, corporatist Supreme Court.
A coup never acknowledged or remedied through Congress or the courts. So to ask if a Gore presidency would have been different, the man who won the presidency, and who would've won by a far greater margin had our millions of votes been counted doesn't just demean us, but it demeans all of our coutrymen who've ever fought for or gave their lives for this great nation.
My husband and I were among thousands if not millions of voters denied the right to vote in 2000. As relocated northern Dems who registered to vote in TN, at the DMV, we got swept into motor voter limbo. I called the DMV from June to November asking for our voter registration cards. I didn't go down to the election offices bcz when you've moved your entire life, other things tend to get in the way. Life gets incredibly complicated.
Ultimately my pleas ended on election day when I was told that we had no polling place to report to, and in answer to my demand that we had a right to file provisional ballots, were told that no matter where we filed them, since we had not been assigned a polling place, our provisional ballots would not be counted. I wasn't just nonplussed, I became horrified that something diabolical was taking place.
Your offhanded remark that our votes will now be counted 7 1/2 years later is an insult of the highest order, extraordinarily naive and superficial.
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Apr 30, 2008 12:50 PM
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> al gore was never elected the electorial delegates
> said so
Only if you believe the Florida election was was not illegally rigged, and that the recount was not rigged, and if you believe that the Supreme Court's decision to arbitrarily order a stop to the recount was moral and proper and not politically motivated
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Apr 30, 2008 9:14 AM
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al gore was never elected the electorial delegates said so, now almost eight years later ya wanta start bitching again,
as hillary screechs. obama goddamed preacher isn't allowed free speech and religous freedom as pundits on catholic channels pope runs free after with holding evidence,
then you got mccain who once bragged on the safety in iraq in a bold face lie, so now you thinks its time to impeach bush about 3 years to late, yes goddaamed america justice system is a what if too, seems apropiate doesn't it.....
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Apr 30, 2008 12:57 AM
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Wow! What a question. If Gore were elected, which he was, it wouldn?t have only been different, but a whole lot better. Really! How could it possibly be worse? Even if all the decisions were made by a roll of dice or a spin on a ?yes, no,? wheel, better decisions would have still been made. Gore had a different agenda than Bush. His priorities were not to the oil companies in the mid east, or sending many of our jobs over seas, or privatizing every breath we take. I?m sure he would have had faults also, so did every president we have ever had, but any faults he may have had would pale next to Bush.
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Apr 29, 2008 5:16 PM
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Living in a should have, could have frame of mind, will cause depression. So don't dwell in the past too much.
Al Gore would have been a great peacekeeper, and protector for the citizens, not the corporations.
Look how he won the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts in greenhouse gas effects on the earth. He is a great man.
Just like Nobel Peace Prize winner, Former Jimmy Carter.
The problem is that the majority of the Senate and Congressional members are not in the same frame of mind.
They like the money received from lobbyist, and they want the good ole boy's club, to stay intact.
They would find a way to get rid of Gore, just like they did with Carter. Remember the Iranian captives, that ruined Carter's attempt at re-election? Lucky for Reagan, they was released his first day in office.
Coincidence? It don't think so.
The same with Howard Dean, blocking Florida right to vote.
He and the DNC, knew the democrats in Florida was Pro-Hillary. It is a 'coincidence' that Florida's valid vote is not being consider by the DNC. It's keeping the boy's club intact.
Helll no, the Elite in Washington, would never accept someone like Gore, past 4 years.
Sorry he took the Supreme Court's judgement personally.
If it was me, I would have been in the 2004 election, raising hell.
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Edited by CBunny at 04/29/2008 2:17 PM PDT
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Apr 29, 2008 3:29 PM
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I think a Gore presidency would have lasted 4 years, had he been elected. World events would have quite literally overwhelmed Al. As with Clinton's inability to project force effectively, Gore would have similarly mired the United States in a series of protracted attacks from terrorist groups around the globe.
An Al Gore presidency would have also done something more insidious: he would have signed Kyoto. He would have launched the greatest swindle in the history of the United States profiteering from his stakes in the Carbon Credits exchange. Lording over environmental correctness, mr Gore would have exhausted the very trade and markets his predecessors adminstration so carefully crafted throwing the United States to the whim of protectionism and economic caniblism.
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Apr 29, 2008 2:06 PM
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kevin spacey and dennis leary yeah theres two reptuable constitutional lawyers that'll fix all this bush clinton nafta cafta fisa patriot act gone war war on lies that'll fix all this bush clinton bull shit. i feel warm and fuzzy all over, god bless our comedian actors i feel safe now....
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