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Were you there in Florida in 2000 when the Gore v. Bush voting debacle went down? Do you have a story from a different election? Share your voting experience, and let your voice be heard!
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 31, 2008 1:50 PM
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Isn't it ironic, as HBO does it's bit to stump for the Democratic Party in this election year... the DNC is currently meeting in Washington deciding...
1.) Do we really believe One Person One Vote?
2.) Do "ALL" Votes Count?
3.) Do Michiganders and Floridians no longer count because they broke the rules?
The only thing that I - and ANY other person who can spell the "democracy" - wants to know is...
What the f***k is a "Super Delegate?" Is that like the Soviet Polit Bureau or the Mullahs of the Theocratic Republic of Iran???
The only thing missing from the HBO docudrama (aside from all the murky dark lighing for the republican board rooms and all the bright and cheery lighting for the new room offices of "our" democratic party...) was a post script...
And in 2008 - the Dummocrates lost all the holy high ground as they contradicted EVERY "moral" point they made in 2000.
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 27, 2008 11:16 PM
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> The voter rolls were not purged on Katherine Harris'
> orders. The voter roll cleanup was a MANDATE. She
> had no option but to execute the law. Furthermore,
> it was not Katherine Harris who ordered the loosening
> of the criteria used by DBT as was suggested in the
> movie.
The supposed purging issue didn't even belong in the movie. It had nothing to do with Gore's quest for dimples in Democrat counties. They just wanted to ridicule Katherine Harris because it makes them feel good, and to justify Gore's disruption.
http://www.florida2000election.com
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 27, 2008 10:57 PM
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> The movie did make it clear to me what a monumental
> task recounting was/is. As humans, we all interpret
> things differently, as can clearly be seen on these
> message boards and message boards everywhere. For
> instance, everyone has their own opinion and idea as
> to what a dimple means. Add to that the number of
> different types of voting machines and ballots used
> just in this one state alone, and it just seems an
> impossible task.
Well said! I know I would not like the job of having to recount...no way!
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 27, 2008 10:48 PM
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The voter rolls were not purged on Katherine Harris' orders. The voter roll cleanup was a MANDATE. She had no option but to execute the law. Furthermore, it was not Katherine Harris who ordered the loosening of the criteria used by DBT as was suggested in the movie.
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 27, 2008 6:23 PM
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Sorry, but it missed the chance to be great. See Re Recount: Remiss!
On the plus side there was the call for "Roger Stone" when it was time to bring on the thugs. Too made so few people know that it was that same Roger Stone who dug up the dirt on Elliot Spitzer and handed it to the FBI. There are also many who believe he was the man who gave the almost-real National Guard memos to Bill Burkett (who was present at the Texas Air Guard to overhear Joe Albaugh -- yes, that crew cut guy on Bush's team -- tell the commander to clean up the Governor's records). Then Burkett fell into the trap and passed the memos on to Dan Rather. . .
But if you don't know that, you miss the relevance of calling for Roger Stone. . .
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 27, 2008 4:06 PM
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at least half of "yesnut's" name is accurate. Wow dude. Get a life
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 27, 2008 3:40 PM
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The movie did make it clear to me what a monumental task recounting was/is. As humans, we all interpret things differently, as can clearly be seen on these message boards and message boards everywhere. For instance, everyone has their own opinion and idea as to what a dimple means. Add to that the number of different types of voting machines and ballots used just in this one state alone, and it just seems an impossible task.
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 27, 2008 2:00 PM
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The chronology of events in this garbage film is completely relevant and demonstrates its bias.
Gore's quest for manual recounts in Democrat counties was based upon ONE motivation - Finding enough votes to reverse the outcome of the election!
It had nothing to do with undoing the supposed evil schemes of Republicans. The chronological blur this film offers is an attempt to justify Gore's desperate behavior, his twisting of Florida election law in order to count dimples in Democrat counties.
http://www.florida2000election.com
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 27, 2008 11:00 AM
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"Your link confirms what I said, that the issue of felony voting rolls didn't surface until well after Gore's effort to count dimples as votes. The movie weaved it into their storyline in order to make it appear that the Gore team was seeking justice, rather than votes. This is deceitful."
The movie may have taken liberties about the chronology of the events. (as the disclaimer at the end stated). But that doesn't mean that legal minority voters weren't turned away. It just wasn't fully realized until after Dec. 13. And the # is over 20,000. Check out the documentary "Unprecedented: The 2000 Presidential Election" to learn the complete attrocities committed by the Republicans in Florida.
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 27, 2008 10:36 AM
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I moved to Florida shortly after this election (2002) to work as a political reporter for a north Florida TV station. I met many of the people portrayed in the film so I really enjoyed watching it. As a Libertarian who is not fond of either party, I offer this non-bias review.
I did see a tinge of bias in this movie but not to the extent many conservatives on this board have exaggerated. I think the bias was that the story was more from Gore's campaign than Bush because many of the people from Gore's campaign truly felt that just wanted every vote to be counted, even if the result was a loss. Meanwhile, other than a few good republicans (Clay Roberts, etc) the tactics used by the Bush team were highly unethical and bordering on corruption. (what a surprise!) Remember these was the same team that spread a rumor that McCains adopted child was in fact a " black love child".
If thousands of upper class white men were turned away at the polls, and older voters had polled to vote for Bush, the red team would have done the same thing. Any republican who denies this can't be taken seriously.
The butterfly ballots, dimpled and hanging chads, all created a perfect storm of uncertainty. I believe that in prior times, some sort of compromise would have been reached to create a less divisive country. Sadly, the majority of modern politics no longer puts Country and justice ahead of party and "our team winning". This goes for both red and blue. The supreme court's decision to stop the recount and then not count the results because of the missed deadline (that they caused) will be looked back upon by future generations with disgust.
As for the future, anyone who is not actively fighting against electronic voting machines with no paper trails is effectively giving up their right to vote. Yes they are easy, cost less, but they are also easy to manipulate and if you don't think someone, somewhere will find and try a way to do this, you are kidding yourself.
As for my opinion and Bush V Gore. I have no problem with Gore fighting for voters rights, and I believe if all votes were counted he would have won the election. However, by mid December, the "Red" team would have not respected that and there would have been real legal problems and possibly riots, etc which would have damaged our Country further. Gore quit at the right time when as the Spacey's character put it "even if he won, he couldn't win".
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 27, 2008 10:00 AM
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Fascinating movie. I remember the fiasco of course, but never knew any of the details. What a disturbing corruption of the political process. Whether or not the movie had a Democratic slant or not, a dimple is a vote, or how else would the dimple get there??? Secondly, what a stupid voting method. Who thought up that system in the first place?
Katherine Harris & the entire Republican party should be ashamed of themselves for all they did to prevent the people of FL's votes being counted, as they had a right to be. Their delay tactics to stall the recount & prevent a hand count were appalling. But politicians will do anything, and are never ashamed of their actions.
As for the movie itself, I thought it was brilliantly done. Kevin Spacey was amazing as always. Denis Leary was great in a serious role, but with streaks of his wickedly funny & profane self. Tom Wilkinson was excellent as well, & Laura Dern was incredible as Katerine Harris.
Kevin Spacey & Laura Dern deserve Emmys for their roles.
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 26, 2008 11:54 PM
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After watching the HBO original film Recount, I was brought back to my senior year of high school. The 2000 election was the first Presidential election in which I was allowed to vote. With the common knowledge that the popular vote was in favor of Al Gore it raises the question of the value of individual votes. While I myself have faith in the current system, the electoral college, the film raises suspicion to the possibility of corruption infiltrating our democratic process. The truth that is now known as to the fact that many individuals were denied their right to vote in the state of Florida as result of the misidentifying of certain individuals as felons. Compared to many other democracies in the world the establishment which governs this nation does more to prevent voter turnout than any other country. Following on the ideals of John Locke, it is the duty of the citizens to take action when action be needed.
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 26, 2008 11:07 PM
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> Are people in denial about the voters who were denied
> their right to vote by the ludicrous purge rolls?
Your link confirms what I said, that the issue of felony voting rolls didn't surface until well after Gore's effort to count dimples as votes. The movie weaved it into their storyline in order to make it appear that the Gore team was seeking justice, rather than votes. This is deceitful.
It also shows that the film lies when it says 20,000 people were prevented from voting. Ridiculous.
http://www.florida2000election.com
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 26, 2008 10:14 PM
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Are people in denial about the voters who were denied their right to vote by the ludicrous purge rolls?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A99749-2001May30
No, this is not a link to some fringe site concocted by neo-cons and their minions.
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 26, 2008 9:03 PM
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The irreparable harm was that one of the candidates turned the election process upside down - exploiting loopholes in the law - disrupting the election process in a desperate attempt to convert ambiguous ballots into votes.
Your dimple might have been counted under the new tabulation scenario, but someone else's might have not. Elections require standards, procedures, and order, which were in place prior to the election, before Gore and Florida Supreme Court went goofy.
http://www.florida2000election.com
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