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Were you there in Florida in 2000 when the Gore v. Bush voting debacle went down? Do you have a story from a different election? Share your voting experience, and let your voice be heard!
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 26, 2008 8:47 PM
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I live in Miami Beach AND was part of the "recount" of 2000.
I'm still scratching my head over the "irreparable damage done to Bush" as argued before the US Supreme Court.
The real irreparable damage was denying voters the RIGHT to vote of all colors and closing the polls too early in many counties. Bush voted in TEXAS as governor and his vote counted, but ours didn't!!!
democracy belongs to the people and not nine US SUPREME COURT JUSTICES!
daisy lee myers
miami beach, fl
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 26, 2008 8:02 PM
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> It CERTAINLY DID come up during the recount. Even if
> it hadn't it is important to the movie to illustrate
> the despicable lengths that Jeb and George Bush will
> go to to gain power.
Besides this deceitful movie, can you show me evidence that the felony issue was raised during Gore's quest for dimples, that Ron Klain was informed of the issue? I have never seen it prior to this film.
If 20,000 people were erroneously turned away from the polls, as this piece of trash film claims, why hasn't there been any legal recourse for these victims? Was the Florida State Department sued? Was anyone sent to jail? Or, is this issue just a trumped up conspiracy by those who desperately need to believe Gore won Florida?
http://www.florida2000election.com
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 26, 2008 6:58 PM
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It CERTAINLY DID come up during the recount. Even if it hadn't it is important to the movie to illustrate the despicable lengths that Jeb and George Bush will go to to gain power.
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 26, 2008 6:47 PM
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> I notice none of the conservatives posting here are
> disputing the tens of thousands of unconfirmed felons
> that were wrongly turned away.
This is another shameful and misleading point of the movie. The felony issue never came up during Gore's quest for dimples. It had nothing to do with his desperate search for more votes. The way the movie throws out the number "20,000" as if it is a fact. Ridiculous.
You can read more here:
http://www.florida2000election.com
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 26, 2008 5:11 PM
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"Sandy Goard is one of the most honest, down-to-earth people anyone could ever hope to meet (we native Central Floridians all know each other).
You were rude and she took offense. Learn some manners, especially when you're new to a place. Let's just start with that.
By your own admission, you were nasty in insinuating she was not handling your registration with integrity. She took umbrage with that too. What a shock --- an honest person doesn't like being called a crook!
By the way, Sandra Goard was exonerated of any wrong-doing. Once again, a good, honest person falsely accused by a bunch of whining babies who didn't get their way."
Goard was rude to me first. She pathetically tried to deny me my right to register to vote. Don't you just love how you have to "manners" to get what is lawfully your constitutional right in the south?
The funny thing about repubs. is that you only care if the person voting is a repub. You wrap yourselves in the American flag, put 'support our troops' on your SUVs, wear your flag lapel pin and pay lip service to the sacrifice our military has made to ensure our freedom, but when it comes down to actually demonstrating devotion to these principles, unless you're voting for the repub. you're really not that interested in ensuring an American's right to vote.
Just because some court of law exonerated her of any wrongdoing, doesn't mean she's without blame or that her actions were not brazenly and crassly to the benefit of one political party. Let's be clear about what I'm saying here: Goard placed the needs of the Florida repub. party above those of the principles of democracy and the values on which our country is based.
Have you noticed how just this year we 'whining babies who didn't get their way' have won three straight congressional elections in supposedly rock-solid republican districts? I'm talking about republican speaker Dennis Hastert's old seat; one in Louisiana (that's been repub. for 30 years), and now one in Mississippi that's been repub. for twenty years.
What do you have? Let's see: Larry Craig trying to have sex with a man in an airport bathroom. Mark Foley text messaging underage boys, "Do I make you a little horny?" Jack Abramoff/Tom Delay/Randy "Duke" Cunningham, Bob Ney. The list of criminals in your party is breathtaking. We're only just beginning to uncover the sleaze, corruption and filth of the repubs. and the prosecutions will be a joyous thing to behold.
Your party is damaged goods and the American people aren't buying it. You lost control of both houses of congress in 2006 and you continue to lose in supposedly "safe" repub. districts. I am predicting that you will lose 50 seats in November in the house and maybe up to 10 in the senate.
There was one other time in American history when your party was so thoroughly discredited. It was in 1936 when FDR won in a landslide. Repub. ranks were reduced to 17 senators and 89 representatives in the house; they were basically told to sit down and shut the hell up.
History is repeating itself.
On to November and the forthcoming end of an error!
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Edited by deaconrta at 05/27/2008 7:19 PM PDT
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 26, 2008 2:38 PM
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I notice none of the conservatives posting here are disputing the tens of thousands of unconfirmed felons that were wrongly turned away. It may be valid that Gore was arguing voter stupidity and the recount standard he was asking for was overly in his favor, but there isn't much disputing that Florida illegally turned away thousands of valid voters because they were incorrectly determined felons.
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 26, 2008 10:06 AM
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I actually live in Tallahassee and witnessed this circus first hand. I spent many days down at the capital and court house and witnessed history first hand. Luckily I owned my own business and was able to take the time off for this historical event.
I have a few memories from 2000 that I will never forget:
1. The day I was standing in the court yard of the state capital when the memo was released (I still actually have the memo) on how to discredit the military vote. The HBO movie tried to down play this as a misunderstanding but from being their first hand, I can tell you it was no misunderstanding. They were hell bent on discrediting and not counting our military men and women.
2. I was standing outside of the Florida Supreme Court House talking with a couple of military wives who had driven over from Jacksonville to show their support when two buses pulled up and unloaded AFL-CIO union people who were bused up from S. Florida. The people rushed over and started getting in everyone's face and screaming at them. This one dark haired over weight woman (I later saw this woman on the evening new and found out that she was the head of the Florida AFL-CIO) came over and began screaming at the two military wives, telling them they should be ashamed of themselves and other vulgar language. I stepped in and asked her to leave and she looked at me with a hatred that I've never seen and told me to go to hell and then she walked away. After that another male union member came over and began doing the same thing. I told him to quit being such a loser and to go join his friends. At that time his started screaming towards the police officers that we were saying we were going to shoot him. The police came over and talked to a few people and found that this AFL-CIO union person was lying and trying to start trouble. The police told him if he didn't leave right then, he would be arrested.
3. Another day at the capital's court yard, once again AFL-CIO bused in union people from out of town. This day several of them had bull horns and would get right next to people and scream in their ears with the bull horns. This one AFL-CIO union man stood right next to a husband and wife who were holding their small child. The union guy put the bull horn inches from the child's ear and began screaming. The family was scared and left quickly.
4. Behind the scenes talking with members of the media (several who actually had Gore stickers on their equipment) I couldn't believe what I have heard so many times, a majority of them were actually very liberal and their slanted reporting actually showed it. *David Schuster (sp?) was the worst. He was with Fox news at that time but has sense moved to MSNBC. This guy could not hide his hatred for GWB at all.
It was no surprise that HBO (home of Bill Mahr) made a very liberal slanted version of the 2000 recount. Or that there was no mention of all of the voter fraud that was going on in other states that were also close (democrat favored of course).
It is also sad that their are people out there who really want to believe that the Republicans stole that election. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that at the end of the movie HBO didn't tell everyone one watching that after the recount ended, numerous national news papers and other organizations conducted recounts of their own and GWB won ever recount.
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 26, 2008 8:54 AM
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This film is a biased and misleading restatement of Gore's quest for dimples. I review it here:
http://www.florida2000election.com
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 26, 2008 2:13 AM
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tHANK YOU HBO FOR MAKING THIS MOVIE, UNFOURNATELY IT WAS SEVEN YEARS TO LATE AND WE ARE IN THE MESS WE ARE IN NOW
I LIVE IN THE SAME CITY AS MISS HARRIS. TO SAY WE WERE OUTRAGED WAS AN UNDERSTATMENT, TO SAY ANYMORE WOULD BE VIOLATING YOUR CODE OF ETHICS PERTAINING TO PROFANITY!!!
I STILL RESIDE IN THE SAME CITY WHERE MISS HARRIS HAS VACATED , THANK GOD!
MY VOTING EXPERIENCE WAS OK IN THE 2000 ELECTION, EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT THAT WEEK WAS NOT.
I HAVE BEEN WAITING SEVEN YEARS FOR SOMEONE TO TELL THE STORY OF ALL THE DISENFRANCHISID VOTERS. I SAT THERE TONIGHT WATCHING WITH GREAT INTENT HOPING THAT PART OF THE STORY WAS INCLUDED AND IT WAS.
YOU HAVE A PART TWO ON THESE VOTERS AND OTHERS IF YOU WANT TO DO FLORIDA MORE JUSTICE.
FOR YEARS I HAVE BEEN TELLING FRIENDS THE LOCAL NEWS STORIES THAT WERE BROADCAST THE NIGHT OF THE ELECTION AND SQUASHED WITHIN A DAY-BY WHO WE DON'T KNOW.
THE REPORTS CONSISTED OF VOTERS IN NORTHERN FLA. , PREDOMINTLY BLACK DEMOCRATIC AREAS, BEING TURNED AWAY FROM THE POLLS AT FIVE PM . THEY WERE TOLD THE POLLS WERE CLOSED, EVEN THOUGH THE CLOSING TIME IS 7 PM. THIS DISABLED THE FIVE PM WORKING CLASS FROM VOTING.
THE OTHER MAJOR STORY , ON LOCAL NEWS ONLY, WAS THEY HAD FOUND DUMPSTERS FULL OF BALLOTS , AGAIN IN NORTHERN FLORIDA.
THESE STORIES NEVER MADE IT TO NATIONAL NEWS. I WONDER WHY , HMM!!!
I REALIZE THE MOVIE RECOUNT HAD ALOT TO TELL AND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO TELL THE STORY.
I HOPE YOUR RESEACH TEAM UNCOVERED THESE NEWS STORIES AND CONDENSED THEM INTO THE PASTOR SCENE. IF THIS IS NOT THE CASE , I HOPE THERE WILL BE A PART TWO EXPLORING THE GOOD OLE BOY POLO-
TICS STILL PRACTICED HERE IN FLORIDA.
ISN'T IT AMAZING HOW EIGHT YEARS LATER FLORIDA IS STILL IN THE MIDDLE OF A POLITICAL CONTRAVERSY, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE-IS HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF OR HAS THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION JUST FOUND A NEW WAY TO COVER THERE TRACKS IN THE FORTHCOMING ELECTION
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 26, 2008 1:41 AM
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In reply to Marty 65, #14: Take it up with your legislature.
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Edited by gingerpye at 05/25/2008 10:42 PM PDT
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 26, 2008 12:29 AM
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I wasn't in Florida but after seeing this excellent movie and knowing the sad outcome almost eight long years later, I wonder what James Baker's answer would be to Ron Klain's question today. Does he really still think the best man won? Somehow I think if he is honest with himself he'd have to say no, loyalty to GHWBush or not.
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 25, 2008 10:30 PM
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We were not in Fla in 2000 but we were in Cleveland, Ohio in 2004. The election was clearly stolen here and we were witness to so many tamperings that we were in shock for weeks after. We had people marked as felons at our polling area. In Ohio, once a felon has served their sentence they can vote. People marked as felons, but never having been felons, were given provisional ballots. The provisional ballots were never counted. There were over 150,000 of them and the election was decided by 118,000 or so it is not difficult to do the math. There were broken machines and less machines that were required for the numbers registered. Some polling places only opened after being told to do so. At some voting sites there were not enough ballots. People were called and given the wrong location for them to vote. Trying to get the media involved was impossible. The only one who even carried any of the story was Keith Olbermann. RFK jr wrote an article about it in Rolling Stone Magazine. Mark Crispin Miller has written books about the stolen election in Ohio. Kerry-Edwards won Ohio and so the second election was stolen. It is sad to feel that never again can we trust an election. There will always be a question as to who really won an election. This applies not only to national elections but to state and city elections as well. The only success we can attempt at to see the true results of an election is to have people turn out in vast numbers so that fixing becomes too difficult. People need to be poll watchers, join with established groups who monitor polls, video any incidents at the polls etc. This is why we started www.bringavoter.com. We are urging people to help people register and to drive them to the polls (in accordance with state regulations) Honest people of all parties want to know that those who have truly been elected are holding office. This is not a partisan issue it is an American issue.
www.bringavoter.com
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 25, 2008 9:57 PM
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No law nor any part of our constitution allows the Supreme Court to choose the President of the United States. Bush couldn't have won without cheating and everyone knows it.
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 25, 2008 9:32 PM
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My grandmother was not stupid, nor were many of her friends. It had NOTHING to do with reading. It's nice you were able to vote for who you wanted. But enough people were confused that the butterfly ballot was no longer an accepted ballot for many states. People move to Florida from places that never used the butterfly ballot. Most ballots had you punch the second hole for the second candidate and so on. They just did what they were used to.
If you're not working against electronic voting, you're either stupid, or blinded by either greed, racism and/or bigotry. That was what I was doing in 2000, working to fight against my state from getting electronic ballots. Every vote IS NOT counted and electronic voting is easily hacked and altered... EASILY.
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Re: Share Your Recount Voting Experience
May 24, 2008 5:07 AM
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