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Okay, I'd like to hear your best reasoning for voting Obama at this point in the campaign.
What experiences does he bring to the presidency?
What goals and values do you share with him?
What's the defining moment that earned him your vote?
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Re: Best Case: Why would you vote for Barack Obama?
May 18, 2008 6:53 PM
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I haven't noticed McCain backing away from Hagee. Ergo McCain thinks about Catholics as Hagee does?
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Re: Best Case: Why would you vote for Barack Obama?
May 18, 2008 2:30 PM
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> > I am voting for Obama primarily because I do not
> want
> > another 4 years of Republicans in the White
> House.
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> Amen! 
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> > I think the controversy about Reverend Wright
> is
> > lame, and his wife holds up to scruitiny.
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> I have to respectfully disagree with you there about
> Reverend Wright. The people that a candidate has
> associated with for the most powerful position in the
> world
> does matter.
I disagree. The people you hang out with only matter if you're a democrat. The right has always embraced nuts like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell and no one has blinked an eye. I think the controversy here was for the sake of controversy. This wouldn't have been an issue if Wright supported Bush.
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Re: Best Case: Why would you vote for Barack Obama?
May 15, 2008 7:59 PM
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> > I think the controversy about Reverend Wright
> > is lame, and his wife holds up to scruitiny.
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And his showing in national polls pretty much show
a lack of serious damage to his campaign in that
regard.
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> I have to respectfully disagree with you there about
> Reverend Wright. The people that a candidate has
> associated with for the most powerful position in the
> world
> does matter. Wright was someone Obama looked up to
> for 20 years. This is a man he supported
> whole-heartedly. He denounces him now, because it
> has brought negative attention to his candidacy. If
> he wasn't running for President they would still be
> buddies. But we have to look at associations past
> and present because we need to know how much those
> associations have influenced our candidates, and how
> much of that are they bringing into the White House?
> It's very important that we look at it. It's our
> responsibility as informed voters to do so.
>
I don't know that they were "buddies" in the first
place. lots of middle class and affluent blacks attended
that church. Were they all "buddies".
One of my favorite pols in congress was Cynthia
McKinney strictly on the virtues of her congressional
voting record which consistantly was for the benefit
of her constituents and NOT the special interests that fund Hillary the Hawk's campaign.
But most voters (unlike special interests) rely on
their bad instincts rather than a pols voting record.
That's why a good smear campaign sometimes
trumps a pols stellar voting record when the voters
aren't attentive to it.
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Edited by JimEarl at 05/18/2008 12:09 PM PDT
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Re: Best Case: Why would you vote for Barack Obama?
May 14, 2008 12:03 PM
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> I am voting for Obama primarily because I do not want
> another 4 years of Republicans in the White House.
Amen!
> I think the controversy about Reverend Wright is
> lame, and his wife holds up to scruitiny.
I have to respectfully disagree with you there about Reverend Wright. The people that a candidate has associated with for the most powerful position in the world
does matter. Wright was someone Obama looked up to for 20 years. This is a man he supported whole-heartedly. He denounces him now, because it has brought negative attention to his candidacy. If he wasn't running for President they would still be buddies. But we have to look at associations past and present because we need to know how much those associations have influenced our candidates, and how much of that are they bringing into the White House? It's very important that we look at it. It's our responsibility as informed voters to do so.
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Re: Best Case: Why would you vote for Barack Obama?
May 13, 2008 8:13 AM
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> What experiences does he bring to the presidency?
He is the embodiment of diversity and global outreach, coming along at the exactly right historical moment when the US needs to seem and to be connected outward in a sophisticated, not jingoistic way. He overcame personal hardship and disadvantage to excel on his own merits, a message that crystallizes the American dream.
> What goals and values do you share with him?
Representing America as an equitable society, a place of hope and success for the many, not the few; advocating an active vs. a passive foreign diplomacy that operates from strength, not fear of those we don't understand; other parts of his classically Dem platform.
What's the defining moment that earned him your vote?
Talking to my nephew last Thanksgiving, when he explained to me that young voters have an enormous problem with Hillary on the Iraq vote and her subsequent discourse on Iraq, along with their rejection of continuing dynasty politics. Then, Obama's series of inspiring and grounded speeches, and finally his speech on race.
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Re: Best Case: Why would you vote for Barack Obama?
May 13, 2008 3:05 AM
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I hope I do have the chance to vote for him because I won't feel anxious or worried about whether I'm making the right decision, happy happy joy joy
If not him, I'll vote for Clinton and hope she does great.
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Re: Best Case: Why would you vote for Barack Obama?
May 13, 2008 2:07 AM
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Thanks.
I'll have to look it over tomorrow.
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Re: Best Case: Why would you vote for Barack Obama?
May 12, 2008 10:59 PM
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Good post, Don.
More from McStunningly's Department of Depraved Indifference..
"...a table constructed by the Tax Policy Center's* steely-eyed tax analysts, and it reveals nothing less than McCain's secret plan to diminish the US government beyond recognition. If he gets his way, conservatives will finally be able to say they've achieved the goal set out by Grover Norquist: to get government "down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jared-bernstein/the-most-important-piece_b_101237.html
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Re: Best Case: Why would you vote for Barack Obama?
May 11, 2008 11:26 PM
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> The GOP already has reduced your income tax. Do a
> search on tax rates. While you are at it check out
> the defination of deficits, and debt. There is a big
> difference, and you, like most, do not seem to know
> what that difference is.
I know they've reduced tax rates. But they haven't cut back spending at all, they've increased it. They always do. And when you reduce taxes and increase spending, you run large deficits.
I know the difference between debt and deficit. I also know that the debt is the cumulative effect of the deficits. Currently, our debt stands at over 9 trillion dollars. And 70% of that 9 Trilllion dollar debt was amassed during the administrations of Reagan, G H W Bush, and G W Bush. All Republicans who pledged and delivered lower taxes, and several tax cuts, and who pledged smaller, thriftier government, too. That's something they didn't deliver.
So, if the GOP pledges to reduce taxes, but the spending continues apace as we keep 150,000 troops deployed in Iraq, and continue spending to rebuild Iraq, and make all the Bush tax cuts permanent... And allocate more money to bail out the major banks that made incredibly stupid investment decisions because they were blinded by all the data on their computer screens, but didn't bother to apply some common sense to realize that the data they were using was irrelevant at best because the mortgages being sold had changed radically... that will all increase this year's deficit, and whatever we run as a deficit this year, adds to the National Debt we start with next year, because we have to borrow more to cover it.
Maybe I'm not the one who doesn't understand what's going on.
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Re: Best Case: Why would you vote for Barack Obama?
May 11, 2008 11:02 AM
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Because CBunny's IQ is 73 and Obama drives her to distraction. Obama in the White House would keep her and others similarly situated (George W) so distracted that they would not be creating mischief.
Joking aside, Obama will bring a positive approach to governing that will employ less posturing and more thoughtful and fruitful resolution of issues. Clinton has been posturing since 2000 to create the image of being presidential. The only problem is that her fascination with Karl Rove's success has made George W Bush her model. She has losy a viable bearing.
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Re: Best Case: Why would you vote for Barack Obama?
May 11, 2008 5:20 AM
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The GOP already has reduced your income tax. Do a search on tax rates. While you are at it check out the defination of deficits, and debt. There is a big difference, and you, like most, do not seem to know what that difference is.
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Re: Best Case: Why would you vote for Barack Obama?
May 11, 2008 1:07 AM
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> Organizations not blogs are reliable. Organizations
> can be sued for libel or slander.
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OK. Since CONgress won't impeach Cheney, Let's
sue him !
> A blog is considered an opinion and not subject to
> the same requirements as the government and
> organizations,legally.
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The government is reliable ?
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She was for the war before she was against the war.
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Re: Best Case: Why would you vote for Barack Obama?
May 10, 2008 5:43 PM
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Because his one term at the US Senate give him enough expertise in the art of lying? He is becoming a true politician!
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/gunning_for_obama.html
Obama can call his flip-flopping another distraction, rather than telling the truth.
Organizations not blogs are reliable. Organizations can be sued for libel or slander.
A blog is considered an opinion and not subject to the same requirements as the government and organizations,legally.
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The monster behind anger, desire(greed and lust), and ignorance is FEAR.
Fear creates division.
Love creates unity.
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Re: Best Case: Why would you vote for Barack Obama?
May 10, 2008 5:05 PM
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Qteela,
If the GOP is saying they'll reduce our income taxes, that just means they'll run more deficits, and increase the debt another couple of trillion bucks.
I don't think we, as a nation, can afford to pay less in income tax.
We can't keep interest rates low forever, either. Our creditors will soon stop buying our debt and start putting their money elsewhere. If we ever default... we'll be in an instant Great Depression.
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Re: Best Case: Why would you vote for Barack Obama?
May 9, 2008 9:55 PM
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I am voting for Obama primarily because I do not want another 4 years of Republicans in the White House.
Given that, a related question would be, what could cause me to stay home or not vote for Obama if he is on the ticket?
I think the controversy about Reverend Wright is lame, and his wife holds up to scruitiny.
Even if Republicans were to claim that they would reduce my income taxes, I would not jump ship because either they are lying or they are playing a shell game and will move the tax elsewhere.
I cannot imagine a single scenario where I would not vote for Obama, unless I am physically unable to vote at all.
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