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What are 'they' planning next?
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Mar 12, 2008 7:41 PM
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Harry,
Your reasoning is why civilizations die.
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Mar 12, 2008 7:10 PM
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LOL!
I should take the editorial comments and your slanted interpretation of them as "truth"?
Over the words of the President?
I keep saying it, but it won't sink in. Must be some sort of liberal insanity, but I'll repeat it. You just hate President Bush.
This is why the Democrats will lose the Presidency.
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Mar 12, 2008 7:00 PM
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> Thanks for making my point.
Didja read the sentence immediately preceding these quotes, Harry? Here... lemme help you:
"Bush administration officials have made numerous attempts to link Saddam Hussein and the Al Qaeda terror group in their justification for waging war against Iraq."
See, the article is saying that the administration was making these claims despite evidence to the contrary. In other words, lying. Thick?
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Mar 12, 2008 6:55 PM
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"What I want to bring to your attention today is the potentially much more sinister nexus between Iraq and the Al Qaida terrorist network," former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell told the United Nations February 5, 2003.
On June 18, 2004 the Washington Post quoted President George W. Bush as saying: "The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda: because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," Bush said.
"This administration never said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated between Saddam and al Qaeda," The Washington Post quoted Bush as saying. "We did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda."
"We know he's out trying once again to produce nuclear weapons and we know that he has a long-standing relationship with various terrorist groups, including the al-Qaeda organization," Vice President Dick Cheney said on NBC's Meet The Press March 16, 2003.
"But the cost is far less than it will be if we get hit, for example, with a weapon that Saddam Hussein might provide to al-Qaeda, the cost to the United States of what happened on 9/11 with billions and billions of dollars and 3,000 lives. And the cost will be much greater in a future attack if the terrorists have access to the kinds of capabilities that Saddam Hussein has developed," Cheney said.
Thanks for making my point.
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Mar 12, 2008 6:00 PM
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I'm sorry Dawg. I didn't mean the war was irrelevant.
I mean whether AQ and Saddam were working together, or not, is irrelevant.
I mean that in a pile of lies they are all irrelevant.
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Mar 12, 2008 5:34 PM
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> I deem it irrelevant because I knew it was a lie when
> they were telling it.
And that makes it irrelevant in the grand scheme of things? I don't follow. I knew Bush was lying when he said he would begin pulling more troops out of Iraq during the SotU address. Does that mean the war is irrelevent?
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Mar 12, 2008 5:28 PM
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THEY are saying alot of things Dawg, but that don't make it so.
Will the deaths of the future justify the deaths of the past?
I deem it irrelevant because I knew it was a lie when they were telling it.
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Mar 12, 2008 5:08 PM
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> All those
> soldiers and sailors who have died did so for the
> imperial ambitions of the neocons. Nothing more,
> nothing less.
That's why the subject of links between Saddam and AQ is relevant -- they're still trying to say there was a connection. Even after this has been shown to be patently false in several different reports, the administration is still trying to say the opposite.
You may deem it irrelevant. I don't.
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Mar 12, 2008 5:02 PM
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All these trivial things about Saddam and AQ are irrelevant.
We went to war on a boatload of lies from many members of this corrupt and wicked administration.
You still can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear, to borrow from the bible.
The Military Industrial Complex is in high cotton, plundering for years from the US Treasury. All those soldiers and sailors who have died did so for the imperial ambitions of the neocons. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Mar 12, 2008 4:58 PM
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> George Tenant, former director of the CIA did state
> the al-zirkowi (sp?) was in Iraq prior to 9-11....
> that is a fact.
So? That doesn't mean he was there with Saddam's full knowledge and support, or that he was even actively working with al Qaeda. In fact, I recall he didn't pledge loyalty to al Qaeda until well into the insurgency.
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Mar 12, 2008 4:48 PM
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George Tenant, former director of the CIA did state the al-zirkowi (sp?) was in Iraq prior to 9-11.... that is a fact.
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Mar 12, 2008 4:46 PM
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> So I take it you are under the same deluded
> impression as Miss RainDawg?
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> You chicks really gotta get a grip.
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> The "truth" is Al Qaida was in Iraq and there was no
> reason whatsoever to think Al Qaida in Iraq found new
> love for the U.S. because they weren't best of
> friends with Saddam. And in a sense you are right,
> if Saddam had "truly" hated Al Qaida he would have
> dropped biochemical weapons on them just like Saddam
> did to all his opposition. So I guess Saddam really
> didn't hate Al Qaida?
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> Anyone who thinks there was no connection between
> September 11th and Iraq better show some real proof
> to dispute the word of the president instead of
> making up lies.
You're following the ignorant bliss stereotype toooo well. The gig is up.
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" It ain't what you don't know, it's what you know that just ain't so"
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Mar 12, 2008 4:23 PM
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Pentagon Report on Saddam's Iraq Censored?
March 12, 2008 1:58 PM
ABC News' Jonathan Karl Reports: The Bush Administration apparently does not want a U.S. military study that found no direct connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda to get any attention. This morning, the Pentagon cancelled plans to send out a press release announcing the report's release and will no longer make the report available online.
The report was to be posted on the Joint Forces Command website this afternoon, followed by a background briefing with the authors. No more. The report will be made available only to those who ask for it, and it will be sent via U.S. mail from Joint Forces Command in Norfolk, Virginia.
It won't be emailed to reporters and it won't be posted online.
Asked why the report would not be posted online and could not be emailed, the spokesman for Joint Forces Command said: "We're making the report available to anyone who wishes to have it, and we'll send it out via CD in the mail."
Another Pentagon official said initial press reports on the study made it "too politically sensitive."
ABC News obtained the comprehensive military study of Saddam Hussein's links to terrorism on Tuesday. Read the report's executive summary HERE
The study, which was due to be released Wednesday, found no "smoking gun" or any evidence of a direct connection between Saddam's Iraq and the al Qaeda terrorist organization.
The report is based on the analysis of some 600,000 official Iraqi documents seized by US forces after the invasion. It is also based on thousands of hours of interrogations of former top officials in Saddam's government who are now in U.S. custody.
Others have reached the same conclusion, but no previous study has had access to so much information. Further, this is the first official acknowledgement from the U.S. military that there is no evidence Saddam had ties to Al Qaeda.
The study does, however, show that Saddam Hussein did much to support terrorism in the Middle East and used terrorism "as a routine tool of state power." Saddam's government, for example, had a program for the "development, construction, certification and training for car bombs and suicide vests in 1999 and 2000." The U.S. military is still dealing with the fall-out from this particular program.
The report says Saddam's bureaucrats carefully recorded the regime's connections to Palestinian terrorists groups and its financial support for the families of suicide bombers.
The primary target, however, of Saddam's terror activities was not the United States, and not Israel. "The predominant targets of Iraqi state terror operations were Iraqi citizens, both inside and outside of Iraq." Saddam's primary aim was self preservation and the elimination of potential internal threats to his power.
Bush administration officials have made numerous attempts to link Saddam Hussein and the Al Qaeda terror group in their justification for waging war against Iraq.
"What I want to bring to your attention today is the potentially much more sinister nexus between Iraq and the Al Qaida terrorist network," former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell told the United Nations February 5, 2003.
On June 18, 2004 the Washington Post quoted President George W. Bush as saying: "The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda: because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," Bush said.
"This administration never said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated between Saddam and al Qaeda," The Washington Post quoted Bush as saying. "We did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda."
"We know he's out trying once again to produce nuclear weapons and we know that he has a long-standing relationship with various terrorist groups, including the al-Qaeda organization," Vice President Dick Cheney said on NBC's Meet The Press March 16, 2003.
"But the cost is far less than it will be if we get hit, for example, with a weapon that Saddam Hussein might provide to al-Qaeda, the cost to the United States of what happened on 9/11 with billions and billions of dollars and 3,000 lives. And the cost will be much greater in a future attack if the terrorists have access to the kinds of capabilities that Saddam Hussein has developed," Cheney said.
''There is no question but that there have been interactions between the Iraqi government, Iraqi officials and Al Qaeda operatives. They have occurred over a span of some 8 or 10 years to our knowledge. There are currently Al Qaeda in Iraq,'' former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said in a interview with Infinity CBS Radio, Nov. 14, 2002.
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Mar 12, 2008 3:28 PM
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> Anyone who thinks there was no connection between
> September 11th and Iraq better show some real proof
> to dispute the word of the president instead of
> making up lies.
Seriously -- this is hilarious.
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Mar 12, 2008 3:19 PM
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> You and your paranoid liberal friends should take
> your paxil and come back to the real world.
Time to update your thinking. The wmd issue isn't even debatable any longer. Give up -- you lost.
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