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I'm surprised that there has been little comment from GWB regarding Chavez's mobilization of the Venezuelan army to the Columbian border, closing of the embassy and removal of diplomatic personnel.
Do you think that Bush will use this as an excuse to establish a larger American military presence in South America, and possibly a reason to take Chavez out?
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Re: Venezuela closes diplomatic relations with Columbia
Mar 6, 2008 9:24 PM
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Tori
Do you work for the CIA, or are you the only person in the US they advise of their agents' movements?
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Re: Venezuela closes diplomatic relations with Columbia
Mar 6, 2008 1:33 PM
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CIA agents returned this week from that region. who is our ally and who isn't.
Maybe they burned the Marijuana fields kept by the US military?
Bush say something....it's foolish to expect any comment about this? Any truthful comment..
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Re: Venezuela closes diplomatic relations with Columbia
Mar 5, 2008 9:43 PM
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My post was not directed at anybody in particular, WBoyd.
Or, to whomever started the thread. The spelling of the name has always been a pet peeve of mine. 
It will be interesting to see how this all plays out, but I have objected to US policy in South American for 20 years or more.
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Re: Venezuela closes diplomatic relations with Columbia
Mar 5, 2008 9:20 PM
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First I didn't start the thread.
But thanks for the spell check.
So far as ColOmbia LOL
I spent most of the late 80's their.
I am very well aware of what type of country it is.
So whats your point other than you think it's pretty.
I would really enjoy reading your thought's.
You know "Freedom of speech". I be for that.
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Colombia is a beautiful country, but its government is a lapdog for Washington DC
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Re: Venezuela closes diplomatic relations with Columbia
Mar 5, 2008 4:32 PM
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First let me just say, before I get started with my option on these topics.
I don't host a radio show, nor am I a talking head on T.V, we know how qualified their opinions are.I haven't gone to an Ivy league school, and I haven't won the Nobel prize.
I am unremarkable in every way, with two exceptions, my children, to whom we will leave this world too, and a son, my oldest, who just got back from Iraq.
Yes, I know that's not remarkable to you the reader, but they are my finest accomplishment, and my motivation, to do something even if it's just speaking out.
So, "the game is a foot", as they say. With everyone talking about change again, yea right.
I'm 41 and I've seen enough election to know the same old garbage when I hear it.
And yes it's garbage from all side's. This "lesser of two evils" stuff, has gotten on my last nerve.
Let's see, we are at war, the planet is becoming toxic, and Russia has more freedoms than we do.
We have become the frog's who have been boiled slowly.
For those of you who might not be familiar with it, if you put a frog in boiling water it will jump right out, but if you put it in cold water and turn the heat up slowly he will just sit there till he has been cooked alive.
Now before you try to pigeon hole me into some category like Republican, Democrat, or Independent, let me just say don't.
My options might just shock you, I'm just an American.
You know "life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.
The War, Terrorism, and Money.
Now anyone who has ever been in combat will tell you, the last thing you want, is to be in some hole getting shot at and blown up, much less having mine, and other people's children go though it.
So I would be the last person to call to arm's, but if I did it would be "full tilt". Our military should serve one purpose, kill the enemy's of our country with extreme prejudice.
Just to say though most of the doom and gloom we see on the tube, is crap. Our men and women were given an impossible mission at time's and they kicked ass.
Of course you don't hear about that, because as they say, "If it bleeds it leads"
Now, lets over simplify.... Ok; some more.
War & Money:
We are stuck now, if we roll out, Iran (Russia, China which ever is the one pulling their strings, maybe both.) will roll in.
Plus we loose our econmic edge with the oil. Yea the oil.
We have made an investment to keep this country rolling, God help us, we need the oil, I.E we need the stability in the region. Oil is becoming a scarce commodity.
Even though most of our oil, right now, is coming from Canada, and Central America, that can change within the next few years.
So Canada is stable, friendly, but Socialist, and Central America,...well, lets just say their as stable as a "crack head" with a gun in his pocket and no money.
Which leads me to my next point.
Venezuela, the main country we get our oil from in Central America, allied it's self with...guess who?
Iran!
Now we can't have Iran or any one else blackmailing us economically with oil.
Which is a tactic that the Russian's like to use, especially in the cold war, and recently in the Baltic state I'm sure will be hearing a lot about them in the news the more Russia puts the screws to them in the coming months and years, the Baltic's that is .
So "tactically" parking a major force at Iran's doorstep, was a very sound move militarily. Iraq, had already been softened up, piece of cake.
I only have one little problem with that; something called the Constitution.
I have no problem, with the intention's, it's just the people have elected representative's, and they should have been told straight what was going on.
Even if it's in closed session for national security. Now I could be being a bit naive, and maybe they were told.
If thats true, Mr. President, well... you got punked!
Plus, tactician will tell you don't engage in a prolonged "holding action".
So what do we do? Well, do we stay for the next 100 years? Which is stupid, because their is not 100 years of oil their, and regardless of what any politician tells us is what we have been set up for. at least for 15 to 20 years.
I'm sure it will turn into some low profile "cold war" or given our real opponents China, Russia , an all out military exchange when we get to the "end game" I.E. when the oil is almost gone.
Russian generals used to say at the hight of the cold war ,
" We can take over America without firing a shot". They were refereeing to cultural change in relation to economic pressures.
In other words if they mess with our economy enough, we will do what they want us to do.
You see this on a small scale every four year's during the presidential election.
One year, to eight months before the election a country like Iran, China, Russia, or maybe a billionaire, with way to much free time, puts the economy in a tailspin just long enough to get people pissed and the candidate "they" want elected. Hey, and it works too, think about it.
It becomes the Presidents fault. (LOL) Like he is the only politician in Washington.
Unfortunately we fall for it every four years whether its a Democrat or Republican in office.
That's right we as Americans have the attention span of a fourth grader.
So, it's more or less a safe bet that we are in a global fight as it were over resources.
Everyone is starting to fight over control of whats left.
Now before I make my next statement, and all the"tree hugger's"start turning cartwheels, let me say that globally if we had 0% emissions in this country, it wouldn't change global impact, not with China and others, becoming major industrial players.
Lets talk about Al Gore. Now I have always been a conservative my whole life, and I never thought these words would EVER, let me repeat EVER, pass my lips! And not because most of the Republicans, I meet, want to be childish and ignorant in their opinion of him.
He is a very intelligent man, which is more than I can say for my fellow Republicans who don't bother themselves with the little things like the "facts". Oh! And that goes for the Democrats too!
I have just always felt he was socialist in his views, and motivations.
But, I wish Gore was running for President, again. I don't agree with his politics at all,
But in this case, his passion for the environment, I feel would serve this country well, because he would want us away from oil dependency and would take huge steps and risks to do that.
Our views, oddly enough intersect to a common goal. Let me explain why.
Well I'm not out there with the "conspiracy theorists", as entertaining as they are.
But eventually resources will run out and there will be civil unrest.
Our rights are being evaporated, and the government is taking more control of our lives's. You didn't really think DOD was developing "less that lethal weapons" for a combat zone did ya? Silly; that stuff is for us at home when all hell breaks loose. Our government is just making sure their ready for it.
Christ in a go cart! We wiped our butts with the Constitution years ago.
We're looking at 10, 15 maybe 20 years if were real lucky. Personally I think its 5 to 10.
Alright, so our economy is "slaved" to oil. That's a fact, it's most of our gross domestic product, in one way or another, especially if you ad in all the industry's that rely on it, in one form or another.
Cars, car parts, the boxes that the parts come in, motor oil, fluids, containers for the fluids, everything made from oil, all plastics, and so on. Hopefully you get the point.
We're talking hundreds of thousands of job's, and no politician in his right mind is going to put people out of work , when they have an election in two years, in one way or another.
So in this case I believe his passion for the environment would serve this country well.
I would get behind Gore, or someone like him.
(Sigh) I still hold out a glimmer of hope that the Republicans would get with the program. But it looks like a virgin would stand a better chance of staying a virgin, at the DNC before that would happen.
So do we stay the coarse, and stay in Iraq?
We are just buying ourselves time.
In the end we lose because the resource won't be there.
So maybe we pull out now?
But now we have just given up our seat at the "oil table" and we have to deal without the resource now. Remember the job's I was taking about?
Hell, we can't stand $3.00 plus a gallon now! Try $8 to $10, heck lets not be shy, how about $20 to $25 PLUS per gallon.
If you think that's an exaggeration, ask someone from England, or just look up online what a gallon of gas in the UK is going for. (U K $7.74 tax incl February 2008)
The way I see it, we adapt or die as a country.
I am saying that if we want to keep our economy rolling, and what I mean by that is, the Dollar having more value than the Peso, and foreign powers from economically holding us hostage, we need to walk away from the oil dependency.
In other words, don't fight that fight, get ahead of it.
I can not justify in my mind, the loss of our, Freedom's, Liberty's, Economy,and our young men and women, for a resource that is, by all educated calculations is going to be gone in approximately 15 years. If we want to stay out of conflict after conflict, and keep America a superpower we need to make the change from an "oil driven economy" yesterday. It hasn't even started to get ugly, wait till the world is about to completely run out of oil. What? You think that China, and Russia would think twice about trying to wipe us out, so they can have our share of what's left of the oil reserve, fifteen or so years from now? Yea we are looking at some bad times if we have the guts to do it now. The upside is after the dust settled our economy would end up becoming bullet proof.
We wouldn't be involved in regional conflict's time and again, and our politics, economy and freedoms wouldn't be at the whims of foreign powers. We would take the teeth away from them.
Or maybe we should pass the buck to the next generation?
Or maybe, we should wait till we are paying $40 for a bag of apple's.
Oppps, I forgot, there is no one to pass the buck to.
Hey, but what the hell do I know?
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Re: Venezuela closes diplomatic relations with Columbia
Mar 5, 2008 11:16 AM
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I won't be sorry to see Chavez go. This guy tried to get himself voted dictator for life. Ideally his own people, many of whom do not like him, would be the ones to take him out.
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Re: Venezuela closes diplomatic relations with Columbia
Mar 5, 2008 12:28 AM
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If I'm any judge, increasing violence along the Venezuelan-Columbian border is how the admin is attacking President Chavez, not why.
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Re: Venezuela closes diplomatic relations with Columbia
Mar 4, 2008 10:32 PM
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> I'm surprised that there has been little comment from
> GWB regarding Chavez's mobilization of the
> Venezuelan army to the Columbian border,
> closing of the embassy and removal of diplomatic
> personnel.
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> Do you think that Bush will use this as an excuse to
> establish a larger American military presence in
> South America, and possibly a reason to take Chavez
> out?
Was just wondering that myself. Most of the regimes
that we used to change were by fomenting coups in
South and Central America and were over the
nationalizing of US corporate interests (even as
small as fruit canneries.)
Chavez has, so far, established an unanswered
precedent with Venezuela's "big brother".
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Edited by JimEarl at 03/04/2008 7:46 PM
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Venezuela closes diplomatic relations with Columbia
Mar 4, 2008 9:47 PM
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I'm surprised that there has been little comment from GWB regarding Chavez's mobilization of the Venezuelan army to the Columbian border, closing of the embassy and removal of diplomatic personnel.
Do you think that Bush will use this as an excuse to establish a larger American military presence in South America, and possibly a reason to take Chavez out?
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