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President Karzai said he was pleased with the American military review of strategy, which focused on militant activity in the area. President Obama is planning on sending 4,000 troops to train Afghan security forces. Do you think this is wise? Is it a preliminary to declaring war? Or is it just what it is, a training mission? Is this a plan to the best way to reach bin Laden, as he is known to be hiding in the Afghan mountainous region?
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Re: Afghan Military Review
Nov 25, 2009 2:05 AM
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Info,
Yes it is. Sleep well, my friend.
DaN
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Re: Afghan Military Review
Nov 25, 2009 1:39 AM
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Yes. We understand their ways and we're not changing anything except giving better lives to crackwhores.
They get American white, black, hispanic, or whatever color girls. These girls would otherwise be face the hardship of skidrow, dealers, pimps and harassment from our own law enforcement.
They'll also be serving this country.
All is well.
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Re: Afghan Military Review
Nov 25, 2009 1:08 AM
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JF2,
Obviously, we've got a few years of "national treasure" we feel at liberty (in terms of both dollars AND lives) to waste yet. It seems unfathonable, doesn't it? And yet.
Relax. Take comfort in knowing that it will possbily at least be easier for those who saw it coming.
That's as good as it gets.
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Re: Afghan Military Review
Nov 23, 2009 9:13 AM
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They told us that one of the lessons learned from Vietnam was that it is pretty much "mission impossible" to be successful as an army of occupation in a land on the other side of the globe in a culture that despises occupiers.
That same lesson can be applied here.
Those wars were begun using deception, and the deception continues.
The Russians left Afghanistan in 8 years, we are beginning our 9th.
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Re: Afghan Military Review
Nov 23, 2009 8:55 AM
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I don't pretend to know what the President is considering as regards leaving Afghanistan, but my feeling is that he is getting a lot of pressure from the military about leaving before they accomplish their goal. Again, I don't really know what their goal is, unlike some folks here seem to think they do. I don't believe he is catering to the contracters as Bush was. I think he is being told that with more troops they can wipe out the Taliban. I don't think they can do that without going into Pakistan.
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Re: Afghan Military Review
Nov 23, 2009 8:10 AM
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> Moyer spotlights the parallel courses in
> Afghanisfucked and Vietnam. Features LBJ tapes with
> discussions among top advisors. I hope Obama sees it. how eerie is the repeat
> of the exact same mistakes, both military and
> political.
Yes, it was a brilliant montage, as only the ethically and morally principled journalist/historian Bill Moyers, who served in both the Kennedy and Johnson administrations, could warn and instruct the lessons of history.
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Re: Afghan Military Review
Nov 22, 2009 10:47 PM
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Oh I'm not out to protect anybody's political
skin here. I'm just saying that even if he didn't
serve, he would've better remembered everything
from friends who didn't come back to the slow
realization that we were in a hot one with no
chance for success. He would have remembered
his uncle being the first one who told him of
ARVN "Kit Carsons" pushing captured VC out
the doors of choppers during interrogations.
He would have remembered a close friend who
told of having to tip 55 gal drums of agent orange
out the side door of choppers and that friend
repeatedly passing out cold for no reason or
alcohol consumption until they called him back
home to his VA hospital for surgery on a tumor
and never hearing from him again.
He would have remembered a decorated draftee
who chose to frame his undesirable discharge and
hang it in his living room rather than his purple
heart.....he would have remembered a lot and been
all the more affected by what he did remember, imo.
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Re: Afghan Military Review
Nov 22, 2009 9:04 PM
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JimEarl,
NOPE,
Obama's old and smart enough to connect with the lessons of Vietnam IMO, ESPECIALLY with such cogent advisors as Bill Moyers still alive to ADVISE(!!!) him.
No pass on this subject WHATSOEVER!!!
NOT IN THE LEAST LITTLE BIT!!!
DaN
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Re: Afghan Military Review
Nov 22, 2009 6:05 PM
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> Moyer spotlights the parallel courses in
> Afghanisfucked and Vietnam. Features LBJ tapes with
> discussions among top advisors.
I hope Obama sees it.
> how eerie is the repeat of the exact same
> mistakes, both military and political.
Great post !
What I wished were that he was old enough to have
personally remembered it firsthand so that the
impression were better left with him.
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Edited by JimEarl at 11/22/2009 3:06 PM PST
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Re: Afghan Military Review
Nov 22, 2009 5:54 PM
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> Along those lines, I read a piece by either Paul
> Craig Roberts or Ray McGovern comparing the Truman
> McArthur controversy of the Korean era to Obama
> McChrystal today.
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Among Scott Ritter and other similarly minded observers,
It was Ray McGovern
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Edited by JimEarl at 11/22/2009 3:06 PM PST
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Re: Afghan Military Review
Nov 22, 2009 3:58 PM
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Interesting, monkeypaw.
Along those lines, I read a piece by either Paul Craig Roberts or Ray McGovern comparing the Truman McArthur controversy of the Korean era to Obama McChrystal today.
McArthur was fired by Truman, and it would be a good thing if McChrystal were fired by Obama.
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Re: Afghan Military Review
Nov 22, 2009 11:28 AM
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Moyer spotlights the parallel courses in Afghanisfucked and Vietnam. Features LBJ tapes with discussions among top advisors. I hope Obama sees it. how eerie is the repeat of the exact same mistakes, both military and political.
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Re: Afghan Military Review
Nov 22, 2009 9:26 AM
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Jim
Should I say that white men don't have a clue about world affairs and interpreting evidence, or just that they cannot jump?
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Re: Afghan Military Review
Nov 22, 2009 1:17 AM
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> The new news is that the US was placed squarely into
> that irrational conflict by the neocons.
Neoconservatives weren't even a factor during most
of Israel's recent history. Truthers don't have a grasp
of anything and recent Middle East history is just
another example.
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