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As America hurtles toward the next presidential race, the HBO film 'Recount' will relive the fervor of 2000's messy election. Kevin Spacey and Denis Leary take Al Gore's fight to the courts on May 25 - make your own case on the boards, where the most cogent arguments will be featured in a special poll on HBO.com. And don't worry - this time all the votes will be counted. The question: Do you believe the Supreme Court's handling of Gore v. Bush was partisan? http://boards.hbo.com/topic/Hbo-Official-Threads/Believe-Supreme-Courts/1900006032
What will be George Bush?s legacy?
Can Pres. Bush help create a peaceful resolution between Israelis and the Palestinians?
How has the Bush/Cheney Whitehouse changed the nation?
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Re: The Bush Administration
May 12, 2008 8:34 PM
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> He's not the only one.
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I just heard some pundits speculating on a
choice of Chuck Hagel for Obama's VP !!
And Bob Barr's libertarian candidacy could
be a vote drain for McCain....I almost hesitate
to mention it but it's not going to be a secret
anyway.
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Re: The Bush Administration
May 12, 2008 9:24 AM
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He's not the only one.
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"Generations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this, of flesh and blood ever walked upon this Earth."-Albert Einstein regarding Mohandas K. Gandhi
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Re: The Bush Administration
May 12, 2008 8:27 AM
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Ron Paul vs. McCain on issues related to war
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNLpC3wD0cE
I think so many republicans are responding to Ron Paul because he's the one candidate on that side who dissents from the Bush dogma
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Re: The Bush Administration
May 9, 2008 11:51 AM
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> Hi, Jim.
> But if Hezbollah only came to existence as a result
> t of the 1982 occupation, then it's clear that
> attacking Lebanon strengthens them, because they're
> seen to be standing up to Jerusalem, and their
> constituents appreciate and applaud that.
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> If they were to praise Hezbolllah, that might erode
> some of their support.
You're right Don.
Everytime Israel goes after Hezbollah, no matter what the ratio of Israeli/Hezbo killed is, or no matter how much or how little is done to Hezbollah, as long as they can stay operating in Lebanon, with their daycares, clinics, Media outlets, and membership in the Parliament, they win the PR battle and the total battle as far as the Arab public is concerned.
As long as they are still operating, they've won, they've "stood up to the superior Zionist/US supported enemy" and are still here to talk about it.
However, knowing how Israel operates as I do, I always wonder what I didn't see, behind the scenes.
I don't believe it was a straight-up military incursion. They may have definitely done a military move on Hezbo, like we all saw on the news, but I'm sure they had some other objective in mind.
While the Air Force and Army were doing their thing, I'm sure the Mossad and Aman were doing theirs.
PS Don- I asked you a question on the Jessica Alba thread, did you catch it?
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Re: The Bush Administration
May 8, 2008 9:44 PM
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Stewart had McWhatever on tonight. In the second segment Stewart got him pretty good.
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Re: The Bush Administration
May 8, 2008 8:26 PM
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Here's a link to some info on John "Senator Hothead" McCain:
http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcaindiv.htm
Since he's trying to carry on the Bush misadministration's misbegotten war, economic, environmental & social policies & the Bushes both"Poppy" & "Sonny" have endosred him & he was the ring leader of the Keating 5 he qualifies as an honorary Bush. But of course adultery & drug use are Republican "family values"! They just want to point at Democrats & not admit to any straying themselves. If by some miracle McCain happens to get "installed" as President that would make 2 "First Lady" druggies in a row, if you remember Laura's nickname at SMU was "Dime Bag", she had a more affluent clientelle apparently that could afford more than "nickel bags", refer Kitty Kelly book, not even to mention Laura killing her high school ex-boyfriend by T-boning his Corvair with her 1963 Impala after running a STOP sign. You don't even need to make anything up, I don't know how these people get away with all this crap!
What was so ironic about McCain's speech at Wake Forest was his opposition to "emininent domain" taking over private property for developer profit but this is exactly what was done to build the Texas Rangers baseball stadium & for which Duhbeya Bush received a huge profit for his small investment that was a loan. To wit:
http://www.angelfire.com/ok5/pearly/htmls/bush-sec5.html
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Re: The Bush Administration
May 8, 2008 1:11 AM
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> Hi, Jim.
> But if Hezbollah only came to existence as a result
> t of the 1982 occupation, then it's clear that
> attacking Lebanon strengthens them, because they're
> seen to be standing up to Jerusalem, and their
> constituents appreciate and applaud that.
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> If they were to praise Hezbolllah, that might erode
> some of their support.
Well I don't know about that but bombing everybody
that wasn't Hezbollah along with Hezbollah sure didn't
seem to hurt Hezbollah that much. And when Iran
funded rebuilding efforts through Hezbollah, it sure
did seem to take advantage of Israel's massive
retaliatory MO alright.
I don't see where Israel got an upper hand in anything
but maybe deterrence.....which still would have been
the first goal I imagine.
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Re: The Bush Administration
May 7, 2008 10:46 PM
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Hi, Jim.
But if Hezbollah only came to existence as a result of the 1982 occupation, then it's clear that attacking Lebanon strengthens them, because they're seen to be standing up to Jerusalem, and their constituents appreciate and applaud that.
If they were to praise Hezbolllah, that might erode some of their support.
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Re: The Bush Administration
May 7, 2008 8:34 PM
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Hi there Don,
See my latest response to Rainy where I clarify
what I liked and what I didn't like about Israel's
response to Hezbollah in Lebanon..
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Re: The Bush Administration
May 7, 2008 7:41 PM
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> JimEarl,
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> The retaliation seemed horribly massive for the
> offenses committed. Like us and Iraq. Even suspending
> knowledge that it was a war based on lies, if it had
> been based on truth...our loss was 3 thousand some
> people...we retaliate by killing and wounding a
> million and crushing a whole country to
> smithereens...innocent civilians too.
We "retaliate" with a political task that had nothing
to do with 9-11!!!
As far as Lebanon goes: I thought it was just
futile for Israel to bomb the Lebanese Army
Barracks and Christian enclaves. The Lebanese
Army is powerless to disarm Hezbollah so what's
the point? The only Christian factions that are
freindly to the Israelis anymore are the Gemayel
family and the bloodthirsty Maronite Christian
faction that perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila
Palestinian refugee camp massacres in '82.
(Robert Fisk's book: "Pity the Nation" is a must
read on this!)
And using our cluster bombs in Shia enclaves
not only was futile but obviously outlawed in the
Geneva conventions as was Hezbollahs rocketing
of Israel's civilian population.
On the other hand I would have bombed the hell out
Hezbollah run areas of Beirut as Israel did. Hezbollah
only came to existence, btw, upon Israel's invasion
of Lebanon in '82. But now that the mistakes were
made, Israel is still obligated to defend itself in such
a way as to discourage Hezbollah from further crimes.
> And like nuking
> Japan in response to Pearl Harbor.
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> There must be a word for this. It's like cutting off
> someone's arm for stealing a cookie. The disparity
> makes the retaliation worse than the original crime.
That would be against the Geneva conventions now
too. But what would have been the alternative to
nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki?.....a continued
submarine blockade that would starve the
Japanese?.....Continued incendiary bombings by
B29s? (The Tokyo fire bombing 3 days previous to
Hiroshima took more lives than the Nagasaki
bomb!)....an invasion that would cause many more
Japanese casualties? (Not to mention tens of
thousands of Marines and other US servicemen!)
One could make the case that Hiroshima and
Nagasaki were more merciful a death to the
Japanese Empire than any of the alternatives.
One could make the case that Sherman's march
through and burning of Atanta was a more
merciful death to the antebellum South than
any of the continued alternatives.
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Re: The Bush Administration
May 7, 2008 7:19 PM
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> At any rate, I don't see that some of Israel's
> tactics
> really did them that much good, especially the
> cluster bombs.....but I might well do some
> of the same things if my soldiers were captured as
> were Israel's and I were in charge.....God forbid !
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> You don't want anybody to get in the habit of
> capturing your soldiers guarding your border,
> during peacetime, and be able to do it without
> repercussions
You also don't want to make your responses that Pavlovian and predictable. It makes you subject to easy manipulation. And in any case, how would dropping cluster bombs get them back? It makes the world look at you as a thug. A justifiably angry thug, perhaps, but a thug. It wins you no support, and may weaken whatever support you have.
They've lost sight of the Jewish principles.... "An eye for an eye" was meant to be a limit, that the punishment for injuring someone should fit the crime, not exceed it.
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Re: The Bush Administration
May 7, 2008 5:18 PM
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Rainy
Being a Libra, I can see both sides of the argument. Personally, I agree with you.
The other side is that war is not about punishment or justice, it is about destruction and victory.
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Re: The Bush Administration
May 6, 2008 11:38 PM
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JimEarl,
The retaliation seemed horribly massive for the offenses committed. Like us and Iraq. Even suspending knowledge that it was a war based on lies, if it had been based on truth...our loss was 3 thousand some people...we retaliate by killing and wounding a million and crushing a whole country to smithereens...innocent civilians too. And like nuking Japan in response to Pearl Harbor.
There must be a word for this. It's like cutting off someone's arm for stealing a cookie. The disparity makes the retaliation worse than the original crime.
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Re: The Bush Administration
May 6, 2008 8:43 PM
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> JimEarl,
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> I hated what they did to Lebanon. Is there a
> possibility Bush/Cheney were responsible for the
> assasination of Lebanese President, Rafiq Hariri in
> '05?
I suppose it's possible but not likely, imo. My guess
is that Syria did it alright. Syria and Hezbollah aren't
saints. Both Hezbollah and Israel commited war crimes
during the last war in Lebanon. On the one hand, I can
see why Israel put pressure on all of Lebanon in order
to bring the same to Hezbollah but I have a real
problem with them dropping our cluster bombs
all over south Lebanon.
At any rate, I don't see that some of Israel's tactics
really did them that much good, especially the
cluster bombs.....but I might well do some
of the same things if my soldiers were captured as
were Israel's and I were in charge.....God forbid !
You don't want anybody to get in the habit of
capturing your soldiers guarding your border,
during peacetime, and be able to do it without
repercussions
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