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Cindy McCain has said that even if her husband were to win the WH she will never disclose here tax records. Should that be a prerequisite to the path to the WH?
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Re: Cindy McCain refuses disclosure
May 14, 2008 9:23 PM
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PERHAPS SHE DID NOT WANT HER SUDANESE INVESTMENTS DISCLOSED.
One might also question how she became involved with such an obscure investment opportunity.
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Re: Cindy McCain refuses disclosure
May 14, 2008 5:10 PM
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A few questions, Host Ginna.
Your quote from this thread...
> Personally I fully support Cindy
> McCain's decision.
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Your quote from the Obama thread re Rev. Wright...
"But we have to look at associations past and present because we need to know how much those associations have influenced our candidates, and how much of that are they bringing into the White House? It's very important that we look at it. It's our responsibility as informed voters to do so."
If I'm reading this right, Rev. Wright is a questionable influence and someone and something you think is important to look at.
But you don't think it's important to look at the past regarding Cindy McCain, who, with her father, embroiled John McCain in the Keating 5 scandal, and who now refuses to disclose her total income so we can find out how much she gains personally in dividends and capital gains from the Bush tax cuts that her husband wants to see carried forward in perpetuity?
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Re: Cindy McCain refuses disclosure
May 14, 2008 11:49 AM
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> Even though I will never vote for a Republican, I
> agree with Cindy McCain. She files her taxes
> separately, and she is not being hired for anything.
> I think she should undergo a background check as
> s many must do in the interest of national security,
> but the results should remain confidential.
Oh I agree 100% here with you QTeela. Cindy McCain is not running for the big chair, her husband is. As such her financial records really have no bearing on anything. The only exception I would have to this rule would be if there were evidence of wrongdoing on her part, then of course she should concede. The expectation of a reveal should be extended to the candidates only, not to their spouses. If that was the case, then should the adult children of any candidate be forced to reveal their information? Of course not. Personally I fully support Cindy McCain's decision.
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Re: Cindy McCain refuses disclosure
May 13, 2008 11:56 PM
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The claim that Heinz Kerry did not disclose her total income is false. It's a lie perpetuated by the MSM to protect Cindy McCain.
The link I sent in post 6 explains the details, reveals Heinz Kerry's $5 million total income, and how it led to NY Times analysts to determine how much she gained in dividends and capital gains from the Bush tax cuts that husband Sen. John Kerry has consistently voted against.
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Re: Cindy McCain refuses disclosure
May 13, 2008 9:43 PM
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Sorry, Spy,
this is the first shift I've had since you asked your question. The only other candidates spouses that have refused have been John Zaccaro, spouse of Geraldine Ferraro in 1984 and Teresa Heinz-Kerry.
I would assume they mean all sources of income, as Kerry disclosed income from sale of a painting in which he had 1/4 interest. So if they had any investments or interest income that's what would be disclosed.
Heinz-Kerry had income as heiress to the Heinz fortune, Cindy McCain has income as heiress and chairman of the board of Hensley & Co, one of the countries largest beer distributors. She reportedly is worth more than John, as Teresa was reportedly worth more than John Kerry.
It's not required to disclose, but it is certainly a tradition.
Laura Bush was a school teacher, she also co-authored her daughter's book. Jackie Kennedy was a photographer when she met John. I don't believe she worked when married, but I do believe she had income from a family trust, I can't find anything to confirm that, though. Rosalyn Carter probably received an income from the family agricultural business, which she ran with Jimmy, and she also assumed the accounting functions of that enterprise.
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Re: Cindy McCain refuses disclosure
May 10, 2008 12:10 PM
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When you're Cindy McCain and you and your father use your family wealth to catapult your husband into a long political career, and said husband votes for policies that increases your wealth exponentially while impoverishing the American people, then you have to come clean.
From Media Matters..."(The mainstream media)...ignored a key distinction in the information they released: Unlike Heinz Kerry, Cindy McCain did not release sufficient information for the public to determine the extent to which she benefited from the tax cuts her husband supports extending (permanently)."
Conversely, Sen. Kerry consistently votes against Bush's tax cuts for the rich.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200804180007
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Re: Cindy McCain refuses disclosure
May 10, 2008 12:04 PM
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> Cindy McCain has said that even if her husband were
> to win the WH she will never disclose here tax
> records. Should that be a prerequisite to the path to
> the WH?
Host DonnaA- can you answer my question about precedence? Have all previous Candidates wives disclosed their income tax records? I mean, I guess some are just joint returns if the wife didn't work, or work much.
But, say a type like a Hillary Clinton, back in the early '90's, she had a career before being First Lady, so I assume she had a tax record. I can't think of the other First Ladies, as far as work history or careers. Ford, Carter,Reagan, two Bushes and Clinton.
Even back to Kennedy and Johnson and Nixon, all the Presidents in my lifetime, I don't think any other than Clinton had careers. Laura Bush was a schoolteacher before marrying Bush, is that right?
Maybe this is something of the times? As we go on, more and more women are 'career' women, or professionals to some degree, and so we will be seeing this disclosure issue more and more as time goes by.
Maybe the days of a pol taking a rich (by inheritance, not work ) socialite wife to be a hostess, mother, and look great in photo-ops is gone.
As women become more 'equal' to men in education and careers, perhaps most future First Ladies will have a work history and an income history to disclose, like Hillary and Michelle O, and Cindy M.
But my question was about precedence. Do you know if any President's or Vice President's wife has refused to or just not bothered to disclose their income records??
Aren't they always asked? Wasn't Hillary asked in the '90's?
Or maybe they have always been joint returns?
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Re: Cindy McCain refuses disclosure
May 10, 2008 7:33 AM
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> Even though I will never vote for a Republican, I
> agree with Cindy McCain. She files her taxes
> separately, and she is not being hired for anything.
> I think she should undergo a background check as
> s many must do in the interest of national security,
> but the results should remain confidential.
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> An alternative is to acknowledge the work performed
> by a First Lady with a title and job description (and
> comperably the work performed by stay-at-home Moms,
> unpaid caretakers of the elderly, 'corporate wives',
> or any such worker that is not compensated with a
> paycheck) .
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There are a lot more telling documents than income tax and family members have a right to a certain amount of privacy, however, with that said, being president is a public office that the candidate and their families agree to accept. With that acceptance comes a certain amount of expected compliance to the idea of transparency in financial matters.
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Re: Cindy McCain refuses disclosure
May 9, 2008 8:49 PM
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Even though I will never vote for a Republican, I agree with Cindy McCain. She files her taxes separately, and she is not being hired for anything. I think she should undergo a background check as many must do in the interest of national security, but the results should remain confidential.
An alternative is to acknowledge the work performed by a First Lady with a title and job description (and comperably the work performed by stay-at-home Moms, unpaid caretakers of the elderly, 'corporate wives', or any such worker that is not compensated with a paycheck) .
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Re: Cindy McCain refuses disclosure
May 9, 2008 11:22 AM
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Am I right in thinking no other candidates wife has ever refused before? Isn't it the standard practice?
If it is, she should do it.
Either way, if I was running BO's or Hillary's campaign, I'd be having my bloodhounds doing some digging on sweet sweet Cindy.
Don't want to show us? Let's find out why!!
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Cindy McCain refuses disclosure
May 8, 2008 10:01 PM
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Cindy McCain has said that even if her husband were to win the WH she will never disclose here tax records. Should that be a prerequisite to the path to the WH?
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