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Area 52 has a conspiracy surrounding it because Area 51 was abandoned. The government should release the records on both areas...
The Swift Boat campaign was fully funded by the Republican party ...
George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush are both space aliens.
Okay, those are my three, what are yours?
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May 21, 2008 9:29 AM
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> JimEarl,
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> I'm admiring you for writing to Powell 
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> Maybe someday we'll find out whether Powell knew the
> 'books were cooked' so to speak, if so, how they
> coerced him into going against what I still believe
> are his good principles. Or maybe that he didn't
> know. A mystery.
>
Excerpt from "NOTEBOOK, Democracy and Deference" in June, 2008 Harper's Magazine, Mark Slouka explains...
"Powell went ahead and shilled for the liars anyway. Why did he not threaten to expose the whole thing publicly? Because, as he has said, to do so would have betrayed the ethic of the loyal soldier he believed himself to be.
"...Powell?s excuse?that he did not want to betray the ethic of the loyal soldier?was precisely the one used by the defendants at Nuremberg, and if you say that the analogy is a reckless one, that Colin Powell is no Rudolf Hess but a generally decent man?an A student, a team player, a loyal employee, a good soldier?I?ll agree, and say only this: God save us from men and women like him, for they will do almost anything in the name of ?loyalty.? Something to consider, perhaps, as the nation contemplates electing to the presidency John McCain, a member of our warrior class for whom loyalty constitutes the highest possible virtue."
> I used to think Bush and his administration were
> stupid because nothing they ever did made any sense
> to me. But I've come to see them as brilliant and
> effective in their cunning and deviousness to
> implement their radical agenda so successfully while
> good people were cowed into behaving like sheep. I
> think they have been able to get a lot of good people
> to do bad things.
That's been my contention all along, coupled with a segment of society drawn to madness and evil like the Germans in WWII, otherwise McCain wouldn't be a contender.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/03/27/john_mccain_crazy_bastard/
Hannah Arendt coined the phrase in her book entitled "The Banality of Evil". Beware the stumblebums whose direct quotes make great comedy material, like that lunatic wallpaper guy with the funny mustache.
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May 21, 2008 3:36 AM
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JimEarl,
I'm admiring you for writing to Powell
Maybe someday we'll find out whether Powell knew the 'books were cooked' so to speak, if so, how they coerced him into going against what I still believe are his good principles. Or maybe that he didn't know. A mystery.
I used to think Bush and his administration were stupid because nothing they ever did made any sense to me. But I've come to see them as brilliant and effective in their cunning and deviousness to implement their radical agenda so successfully while good people were cowed into behaving like sheep. I think they have been able to get a lot of good people to do bad things.
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May 20, 2008 10:13 PM
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> JimEarl,
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> So. Sadly. That means that Colin Powell knew the
> little pictures or diagrams of the alleged mobile
> truck wmd vehicle was a lie and he presented it as
> evidence to the UN and the world?
>
> I felt so strange watching that that day, scared of
> Hussein, scared oh no our soldiers have to go to war
> now for sure, and uneasy seeing someone I trusted So
> Much, CP, giving that testimony. And my intuition was
> fighting my belief and I worried Bush somehow forced
> CP to lie and chose him because he had so much more
> credibility and gravitas than Bush.
>
> It still hurts to think CP knew he was lying? Dang.
> If so, how could what seemed like the ONLY honorable
> one of all of them betray our trust, send the
> soldiers to die, bring hell to the poor Iraqi people
> who weren't even ever our enemies just innocent
> people.
I even wrote Colin Powell just before that and
told him that I hoped he could stand firm against
the criticisms coming from neoconservatives
like William Kristal of the "Weekly Standard"
and even hawks inside the administration.
I can't say what got into Colin but he and his
assistant Secratary of State, Larry Wilkinson
split over it and Wilkinson quit. Maybe military
lifers just feel obligated to play team-ball.
It was a huge disappointment after seeing
Powell as a safety barrier to what I saw
coming.
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"Fighters today are babied.
Back in my day, we took risks and fought 'em all."
Bob Foster - undisputed Lightheavyweight champion 1968 - 1974
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May 20, 2008 10:02 PM
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> Thanks for the kind words GZN.
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> Pardon the cynicism, but I was no more defending you
> or anybody else in america from the Commie Chinese
> threat in 1970 than our fine young troops today are
> defending us from Radical Islam or Islamofascism,
> whichever propaganda euphemism one chooses.
>
> I was doing what I was told in the service of the MIC
> just as they are today.
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> In any event, I guess you and I carried the question
> of the day--under certain circumstances an M-60
> machine gun can be a WMD. 
>
> Poor Dawg. He's like Rodney Dangerfield--he don't
> get no respect.
Hey thanks for your service guy !
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May 20, 2008 8:54 PM
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Thanks for the kind words GZN.
Pardon the cynicism, but I was no more defending you or anybody else in america from the Commie Chinese threat in 1970 than our fine young troops today are defending us from Radical Islam or Islamofascism, whichever propaganda euphemism one chooses.
I was doing what I was told in the service of the MIC just as they are today.
In any event, I guess you and I carried the question of the day--under certain circumstances an M-60 machine gun can be a WMD.
Poor Dawg. He's like Rodney Dangerfield--he don't get no respect.
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May 20, 2008 7:55 PM
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> I did miss it. With all due respect, the thing is,
> Dawg, I respect both of you, and look to both of you
> for illuminating dialogue, as I do so many of the
> posters here. Some people who post here have
> astonishing clarity about what goes on, and help me
> see things through new eyes, and I try to show them
> my gratitude by thanking them. We have too little of
> that these days, wouldn't you agree?
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> I'm sorry if I sound high-handed. Honestly, I never
> mean to. If you knew me personally, that's the last
> thing you'd accuse me of. So maybe I'm not so good
> at getting my point across in my writing, hard as I
> try. Thing is, I love this country, and I think you
> and JET do, too, and that's why we spend time here.
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> All I'm saying is that JET served time in Vietnam,
> and I owe a debt of gratitude to him for that
> service. I look into what he says and try to gain a
> different perspective.
Fair enough. Bygones.
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May 20, 2008 7:52 PM
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> BTW, Gzndhyt... did you miss Jet's last post to me?
> Oh, yeah... very respectful, that.
I did miss it. With all due respect, the thing is, Dawg, I respect both of you, and look to both of you for illuminating dialogue, as I do so many of the posters here. Some people who post here have astonishing clarity about what goes on, and help me see things through new eyes, and I try to show them my gratitude by thanking them. We have too little of that these days, wouldn't you agree?
I'm sorry if I sound high-handed. Honestly, I never mean to. If you knew me personally, that's the last thing you'd accuse me of. So maybe I'm not so good at getting my point across in my writing, hard as I try. Thing is, I love this country, and I think you and JET do, too, and that's why we spend time here.
All I'm saying is that JET served time in Vietnam, and I owe a debt of gratitude to him for that service. I look into what he says and try to gain a different perspective.
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BTW, Gzndhyt... did you miss Jet's last post to me? Oh, yeah... very respectful, that.
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May 20, 2008 7:25 PM
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> > > Raindawg. What war did you serve in?
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> > The Cold War. Does that make Jet a smart
> fellow?
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> No, but I'll say to you what I say to my students.
> Show some respect. Nobody says, least of all JET,
> , that you have to agree. Use your power and brains
> judiciously to disagree without being disrespectful.
Please don't presume to lecture me on respect. Jet lost my respect with his ad hominem attacks on me long ago. I'm sorry, but being a Vietnam vet doesn't automatically gain him a dime's worth of respect from me. If Jet wants respect, he can earn it like everyone else.
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> > Raindawg. What war did you serve in?
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> The Cold War. Does that make Jet a smart fellow?
No, but I'll say to you what I say to my students. Show some respect. Nobody says, least of all JET, that you have to agree. Use your power and brains judiciously to disagree without being disrespectful.
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May 20, 2008 7:12 PM
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> Raindawg. What war did you serve in?
The Cold War. Does that make Jet a smart fellow?
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Raindawg. What war did you serve in?
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May 20, 2008 6:23 PM
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No need to thank me JET, since it's you who deserves my thanks. You went to a place that I shall never be--the least I can do is to pay attention.
That's the longest post I've seen from you in my years on these threads, and by far the most, shall we say, passionate.
You once told me you never saw combat. I can only imagine what that means. Neither did my ex-coworker, John. He was a "medic", in charge of cleaning up the "aftermath", collecting IDs of fallen soldiers, somebody's children, that he stuffed into body bags.
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I agree, Jet. The certain conditions you refer to were present during the WWI massacre at Gallipoli which can be seen in the film by the same name. An anti-war film if ever there was one. The St. Valentines massacre in Chicago is another example. The modern machine gun is more sophisticated and deadly.
Excerpt from an article that appeared in the SF Chronicle two years ago..."Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory plans to install high-powered machine guns over the next few months capable of hitting land vehicles or aircraft almost a mile away in the event of a terrorist attack."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/02/03/GATLING.TMP
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May 20, 2008 2:50 PM
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> > As far as I'm concerned, under the proper
> > conditions an ordinary machine gun is a
> > weapon of of mass destruction.
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> Jet --
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> And you were actually IN the Army? And you believe a
> machine gun is a WMD? What -- did you spend your
> entire tour of duty on KP? Maybe a potato peeler
> could be considered a WMD in your mind?
I didn't make the trip myself but most Vietnam vets
were support and not actually in combat unless it
was at a bar in Saigon. If he worked on helicopters
he might have been in a hot spot guarded by
South Korean military allies. Anyone who flew
choppers would have had a high risk job.
Lots of vets were in support though.....about
8 or 9 out of 10. Seems like many guys from my
neighborhood were combat vets though and some
freinds never came back.
I'll answer your Colin Powell post after I get off work.
On short lunch right now.
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"Fighters today are babied.
Back in my day, we took risks and fought 'em all."
Bob Foster - undisputed Lightheavyweight champion 1968 - 1974
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