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President Obama's promised healthcare reform is now in the house. Nothing is definite yet, the detail to be hammered out. What components would you like to see included in the legislation? Are you in favor of a single payer system? Why or why not?
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Nov 16, 2009 8:07 AM
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Candice,
> While Wall St has certainly been gorging themselves,
> I don't know that I would say the same about the
> private sector in general. Certainly many of the job
> cuts within small business was needed just for the
> small business to survive the recession and reduced
> revenues.
What the progressive Dems failed to do was get the single-payer message out. The health system is killing small business now, and there's nothing in this bill to help the cause.
Price gouging by Big Pharma and the insurance industry will continue unabated. Health insurers have a 25% cap per year on premiums, and no limits on co-pays and deductibles, at least from what I can tell.
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> I do agree that they've gutted just about every bill
> that's been voted on since 1/20/09 in an effort to
> attract bipartisan votes. And with the way that's
> going for the dems, I would say, drop that tactic NOW
> and give us some bills with meat in them. Right
> now, I'm so mad about the abortion restrictions added
> to the HCR bill, I could spit nails.
I know. Religious fervor right out of the Dark Ages. In direct violation of the 9th Amendment, altho I have yet to hear that point raised by Constitutional experts.
> In the meanwhile, I'm still hopeful that by 2012, we
> will have made some good steps toward recovery and
> that Dems will stay in the White House.
My hope is that we'll all be working hard to rid the house and senate of Blue Dog DINOs replaced by progressive Dems who emerge as a strong, outspoken coalition.
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Nov 16, 2009 12:01 AM
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> Gz - I think the stimulus package will actually be
> putting more $$ into the economy in 2010 & 2011, so
> some of the effects should be a [positive] factor on
> the 2012 elections.
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> While I understand that the delay in the insurance
> bill is to ensure the bill remains deficit neutral,
> (bring a bunch of $$$ in before huge payouts are
> needed,) I'm hopeful that the final bill sent to the
> President's desk will at least help those who are
> most in need immediately. I'm also hoping that all
> of the insurance reforms (no pre-existing condition
> clauses) take effect immediately. No sense in doing
> what they did with the credit card bill - slap the
> hand of the credit card companies and tell them that
> they can't raise rates arbitrarily, but it won't take
> effect until 2010, so go ahead and get your increases
> in now before the law takes effect.... not too smart
> on congress' part.
That immediacy goes to?
Answer: The labor unions. Yeah, they really need that "Cadillac" plan.
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Nov 15, 2009 10:00 PM
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> After they gutted both bills in the house, 0 Repugs
> voted for the stimulus, and 1 voted for the insurance
> bill. 90% of the jobs are supposed to come from the
> same private sector that's been gorging itself while
> cutting workers' jobs and salaries left and right.
While Wall St has certainly been gorging themselves, I don't know that I would say the same about the private sector in general. Certainly many of the job cuts within small business was needed just for the small business to survive the recession and reduced revenues.
I do agree that they've gutted just about every bill that's been voted on since 1/20/09 in an effort to attract bipartisan votes. And with the way that's going for the dems, I would say, drop that tactic NOW and give us some bills with meat in them. Right now, I'm so mad about the abortion restrictions added to the HCR bill, I could spit nails.
In the meanwhile, I'm still hopeful that by 2012, we will have made some good steps toward recovery and that Dems will stay in the White House.
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Nov 15, 2009 7:50 PM
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After they gutted both bills in the house, 0 Repugs voted for the stimulus, and 1 voted for the insurance bill. 90% of the jobs are supposed to come from the same private sector that's been gorging itself while cutting workers' jobs and salaries left and right.
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Nov 15, 2009 4:24 PM
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> Aren't the stimulus package jobs and insurance bill
> postponed to take effect Jan 2013? Didn't the Blue
> Dogs and Repubs intentionally set it up that way so
> nothing happens during this admin with the hope they
> retake the WH in Jan 2013 and use the bill to line
> the birdcage?
Gz - I think the stimulus package will actually be putting more $$ into the economy in 2010 & 2011, so some of the effects should be a [positive] factor on the 2012 elections.
While I understand that the delay in the insurance bill is to ensure the bill remains deficit neutral, (bring a bunch of $$$ in before huge payouts are needed,) I'm hopeful that the final bill sent to the President's desk will at least help those who are most in need immediately. I'm also hoping that all of the insurance reforms (no pre-existing condition clauses) take effect immediately. No sense in doing what they did with the credit card bill - slap the hand of the credit card companies and tell them that they can't raise rates arbitrarily, but it won't take effect until 2010, so go ahead and get your increases in now before the law takes effect.... not too smart on congress' part.
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Nov 15, 2009 3:04 PM
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Aren't the stimulus package jobs and insurance bill postponed to take effect Jan 2013? Didn't the Blue Dogs and Repubs intentionally set it up that way so nothing happens during this admin with the hope they retake the WH in Jan 2013 and use the bill to line the birdcage?
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Nov 15, 2009 3:02 PM
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> > Is McConnell's insistence of needing six weeks
> to
> > deliberate the legislation legitimate or is it
> a
> > stalling tactic in order to prevent the
> legislation
> > from appearing on the president's desk by the
> > holidays?
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> It's simply more of the same... Stall, Obstruct, Just
> Say No. The repubs are out of ideas (if they ever
> had any other than "tax cuts" in the first place.)
> Now they're saying that the 9/11 suspects can't be
> e tried in NYC - more of the same....
We can swing (them)selves back.
infoseek (R)
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Nov 15, 2009 2:33 PM
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> Is McConnell's insistence of needing six weeks to
> deliberate the legislation legitimate or is it a
> stalling tactic in order to prevent the legislation
> from appearing on the president's desk by the
> holidays?
It's simply more of the same... Stall, Obstruct, Just Say No. The repubs are out of ideas (if they ever had any other than "tax cuts" in the first place.) Now they're saying that the 9/11 suspects can't be tried in NYC - more of the same....
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Nov 15, 2009 2:27 PM
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If there was any doubt that Senate Republicans are eager to drag their heels when it comes to health care reform, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) removed it on Sunday.
The Kentucky Republican, during an appearance on "Fox News Sunday," demanded that the Senate take, at the very least, six weeks to deliberate legislation once it is sent to the floor for amendments.
"There will be a lot of amendments over a lot of weeks. The Senate is not the House, you saw in the House there was three votes and it was over in one day," McConnell warned. "This will be on the floor for quite a long time."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/15/mcconnell-gop-will-delay_n_358305.html
Is McConnell's insistence of needing six weeks to deliberate the legislation legitimate or is it a stalling tactic in order to prevent the legislation from appearing on the president's desk by the holidays?
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Nov 13, 2009 9:09 PM
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Political prerequisite: The ability to talk anything wrong/right just for the fun of it.
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Nov 13, 2009 5:13 PM
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Democrats was embarrassed over the abortion part of the reform bill...what a bunch of untalented and gutless lugs.
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Nov 12, 2009 9:09 PM
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I'll be looking for that 3 finger salute on MSM.
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Nov 12, 2009 8:57 PM
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I think the computer chip the government implanted in your brain needs a reboot.
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Nov 12, 2009 8:39 PM
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How do you feel about Obama's SS received $$$ billions and continue to receive $$$ hundreds of millions per month of your money along with Cadillac health care?
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Edited by infoseek at 11/12/2009 5:41 PM PST
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Nov 12, 2009 8:08 PM
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> You aren't making sense. The billionaires don't have
> a stake in the new GM.
You aren't making sense. They got $$$billions. The they are the new billionaires feeding off of the "chop liver."
Who do we, slave labors, have to protect? Who is out there to protect us? Why should America pay for these Obama's special soldiers?
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