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President Obama's promised healthcare reform is now in the house. Nothing is definite yet, the detail to be hammered out. What components would you like to see included in the legislation? Are you in favor of a single payer system? Why or why not?
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Jul 23, 2009 1:28 PM
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> Medicaid's admin costs: 3%
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> Private insurance admin costs: 30+% sometimes very
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> Which is inefficient?
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> Whom do you trust more, the Post Office or any
> insurance company?
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> Back your fear-mongering up with facts. If you can.
> No insurance pays out more than it takes in, there > are admin costs. Private insurance has admin costs > of 30+%. The new bill would put them in > > > competition with public plans that have admin > > costs of <5%. That means more money getting > paid to doctors and hospitals, not less.
where are the 3% comes from
medicaid, IRS, SS is the most inefficient business models
I worked for the city i know how well they work
any gov agency is over staffed more than half people do nothing. out of 10 employees maybe one does anything. and some how this is less costly.
just as a reminder IRS printed and send out 15,000 wrong stimulus checks that they never got back, because there is no tracking mechanism in place.
Now go around doctors offices and ask how many of them actually take medicaid, and ask why
It pays half of what insurance pays(meaning doc has to see twice as many patients to cover his expenses) and it takes a very long time to collect it.
And once again there is no mechanism to truck ANYTHING
20% of claims are fraud and all of them go through(it's not from news media , it's my personal experience working with medicaid as NYC employee they approve 100% of claims!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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Edited by berik26 at 07/23/2009 10:31 AM PDT
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Jul 23, 2009 1:28 PM
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The post office isn't trying to make a profit. They are not a business. They are trying to run at cost. They are a public service.
I have, rarely, heard of a letter being delivered slowly. Usually because of hellacious weather. I have never known a letter to not be delivered outside of unsubstantiated claims on the Internet.
Compare this to the nightmarish claims process of the insurance companies. Wait... There is no comparison!
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Jul 23, 2009 1:26 PM
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> LOL those people were paying one hell of a lot more
> for the private insurance than Medicaid. I was making
> a dollar for dollar comparison. If you want to
> compare a private insurance plan to Medicaid, please
> find one that costs just as little.
The people who receive medicaid and medicare do not pay for it. Are you talking about premiums or what is paid out in a claim?
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> And you're right, the congressional plan is a private
> insurance plan, which they wrote, and is the basis
> of the "socialized" public option you are bad
> mouthing.
The gov't will be the insurance company, the congressional plan is provided by private companies. Lets see if they join the public option, I doubt it. Every federal employee should
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> Edited by JaredP at 07/23/2009 10:21 AM PDT
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Jul 23, 2009 1:22 PM
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> admin: I'm allowed to say what he's saying makes him
> sound stupid. I'll try to stop pushing the boundary,
> but I intend to keep saying the ideas are stupid if I
> can refute them and he doesn't back them with fact.
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Is someone complaining?
> We are already being "taxed" by overt and covert
> health costs. That's why there is a reform bill to
> lower costs.
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They have shown nothing that will decrease the cost.
> Taxing the unhealthy to pay for healthcare is the
> same as no healthcare, only extra admin fees.
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A bad driver pays more for car insurance, someone in an area with high disaster rates, pays more for house or disaster insurance. So, it should be the same hear. Someone who insures more pays more.
> As for the junk food industry... Please oh please let
> Obama turn his attention to the food industry
> monopoly. I expect you to really start screaming if
> he does.
Tax it.
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Jul 23, 2009 1:20 PM
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LOL those people were paying one hell of a lot more for the private insurance than Medicaid. I was making a dollar for dollar comparison. If you want to compare a private insurance plan to Medicaid, please find one that costs just as little.
And you're right, the congressional plan is a private insurance plan, which they wrote, and is the basis of the "socialized" public option you are bad mouthing.
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Edited by JaredP at 07/23/2009 10:21 AM PDT
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Jul 23, 2009 1:17 PM
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I mailed a post card when I visited Alaska, the person received it two and a half years later. I mailed a bill in three weeks ago, the company never received the payment. I had to call the company up to remove late charges. Post office does not make a profit, amtrak does not make a profit, social security will be using reserves soon. So, how effiicient is the gov't. They spent $18 million to redesign the recovery website. Gov't efficient, sure.
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Jul 23, 2009 1:14 PM
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admin: I'm allowed to say what he's saying makes him sound stupid. I'll try to stop pushing the boundary, but I intend to keep saying the ideas are stupid if I can refute them and he doesn't back them with fact.
We are already being "taxed" by overt and covert health costs. That's why there is a reform bill to lower costs.
Taxing the unhealthy to pay for healthcare is the same as no healthcare, only extra admin fees.
As for the junk food industry... Please oh please let Obama turn his attention to the food industry monopoly. I expect you to really start screaming if he does.
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Jul 23, 2009 1:14 PM
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Public insurance such as medicaid and congressional insurance pay better than private insurance. That's the point
Medicare and medicaid pay less than private insurances. A place where I worked received about $250 a day from private insurances and $100 a day from the gov't insurances.
There is no congressional insurance. They have private insurance, not gov't.
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Jul 23, 2009 1:05 PM
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> Medicaid's admin costs: 3%
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> Private insurance admin costs: 30+% sometimes very
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> Which is inefficient?
Administrative costs???? THAT is what proves how the Obamacare is a better plan???
Really???
> Whom do you trust more, the Post Office or any
> insurance company?
I cant always trust the Post Office to deliver a letter across the street...and I cant always trust the insurance companies...for anything other than cashing my check. I dont trust either one.
> Back your fear-mongering up with facts. If you can.
Fear mongering??? Why is it always fear mongering when anyone doesnt agree with Obama??? Yet another term that is losing its meaning because of how often it is being used....and more often for all the wrong reasons.
OBAMA...LIVES off of fear mongering. It is the only thing he has done since he got into office and started pushing his agenda through.
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I am free of all prejudices. I hate every one equally. ----- W.C. Fields
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Jul 23, 2009 1:04 PM
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Public insurance such as medicaid and congressional insurance pay better than private insurance. That's the point.
No insurance pays out more than it takes in, there are admin costs. Private insurance has admin costs of 30+%. The new bill would put them in competition with public plans that have admin costs of <5%. That means more money getting paid to doctors and hospitals, not less.
Still looking stupid sunaz.
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Jul 23, 2009 12:56 PM
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Obama says no sacrifice. Won't doctors have to sacrific income, time. Won't hospitals have accept less income, meaning workers will have to sacrifice income. So then, won't care suffer, won't hospitals end up dirtier. This is just a small amount of the sacrifice, it does not even include what patients will have to.
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Jul 23, 2009 12:52 PM
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Medicaid's admin costs: 3%
Private insurance admin costs: 30+% sometimes very plus
Which is inefficient?
Whom do you trust more, the Post Office or any insurance company?
Back your fear-mongering up with facts. If you can.
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Jul 23, 2009 12:52 PM
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If the President wanted to be honest and real regarding healthcare he would be asking everyone to sacrifice.
-a national healthcare tax
-tax the unhealthy, overweight
-tax junk food
-tax cuts for the healthy
But, hey the democrats have never meet a good idea, they liked.
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Jul 23, 2009 12:49 PM
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During the campaign, Obama had an infomercial, maybe he could do the same with healthcare, explaining the thought and research that went into his plan.
Oh, I forgot he did that on ABC already. He has no plan and no ideas. Just tax and more gov't.
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Re: Healthcare in the house
Jul 23, 2009 12:46 PM
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> If a public plan is doomed to be inefficent compared
> to private insurance companies- then why the fear?
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> Why is the insurance lobby pulling out all the stops
> to defeat a public plan?
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> Ask yourself that.
When does something the gov't does go bankrupt, they keep throwing money at it. The post office, education, medicare, medicaid, amtrak, just to name a few. So, the public option will go the way of social security, medicare, and medicaid, which is on the verge of bankruptcy, and instead of changing anything, will just add more money.
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