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John McCain is campaigning as a "tough guy" and has come out swinging against Jimmy Carter, calling Carter a "bad president."
Will this image change be successful? Are attacks on Carter relevant? Will anyone care in the long run?
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Re: John McCain, "Tough Guy"
Jul 29, 2008 2:19 PM
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Dr. No...
He wants to lose a war...
He hates the troops....
It's his fault....
When did the "tough guy" become a nine year old?
When is the "I'm Telling" ad coming out?
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Re: John McCain, "Tough Guy"
Jul 29, 2008 4:34 AM
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G,
I love the way you think!
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Re: John McCain, "Tough Guy"
Jul 28, 2008 11:51 AM
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Rainy--your Dept of Peace with a bigger budget than DoJ was what I was playing off of with my Dept of Imagination meanderings.
Like you can only get a job in the Peace Dept after you pass rigorous flights of fancy tests at the Imagination Dept. and endure months of training in dove camp.
I don't think guys like McCain totally lack imagination as much as squander it on blandishments and thinking up excuses to squirm out of the latest scandal.
McCain used to be ashamed of his POW experience. But, thanks to MSM magicians who brought it into vogue, so to speak, now it's his biggest asset and accords him some sort of privileged expertise in the war and foreign affairs dept. even tho he's el stupido on both.
In any rational country, when the guy who endured 6 years of torture as a POW that left him with some very serious physical handicaps, like constant knee and back pain and can't lift his arms to comb his hair, but who then comes out as a proponent of war and torture, and denies benefits to soldiers who didn't marry a millionaire like he did, would live out his life in obscurity and deemed unfit for any job above street sweeper, and I'm talking broom, not the vehicle.
I don't know, maybe when he looks in the mirror he sees Winston Churchill.
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Re: John McCain, "Tough Guy"
Jul 28, 2008 12:41 AM
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I think there are other countries who have international warrants out for some of the Bush Regime wanting to arrest them for war crimes, etc. I doubt we'll ever see Rumsfeld doing any international travel.
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Re: John McCain, "Tough Guy"
Jul 28, 2008 12:38 AM
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> > McCain "Tough Guy"? No. McCain "Dangerous Guy".
> If
> > he dared show his face in Europe there'd be
> riots in
> > the streets. Blacked out by the U.S. media, of
> > course.
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> Right now he's criticizing Obama for leaving the
> country, do you feel that this may be the reason why
> McCain isn't leaving himself?
Jim,
It's a pretty lame response, petulant and childish. He wasn't pleased with the warm, enthusiasm Obama received everywhere he went. Given that McCain had previously taunted Obama because he hadn't gone to Iraq, this criticism falls pretty flat.
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Re: John McCain, "Tough Guy"
Jul 28, 2008 12:36 AM
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> How about a Department of Imagination?
>
> The article I sent from the Atlantic Monthly had the
> byline over the title. Bruce Hoffman wrote it. I
> think it was featured on Frontline or a PBS special,
> too. It's an amazing story.
>
> Ala Einstein, to paraphrase 2 important things he
> said:
>
> 1.) Imagination is more important than knowledge.
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> 2.) You can't solve problems at the same level of
> thinking that created them.
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> The greatest challenge for Obama is that every speech
> has to be written to appeal to two distinct
> audiences, U.S. neocon MSM/McCain supporters, and
> everybody else. If he failed to mention the
> "terrorism threat" to his Berlin audience, he'd have
> hell to pay with the media here.
>
> McCain "Tough Guy"? No. McCain "Dangerous Guy". If
> he dared show his face in Europe there'd be riots in
> the streets. Blacked out by the U.S. media, of
> course.
Gzndhyt,
They loathe Bush and given most of the world sees McCain rightly as Bush Redux, they would probably heckle him and throw rotten eggs. Dang, kinda wish I could've seen that...lol
I like your idea, Dept. of Imagination. I'd also like to divert a big portion of DoD funding to a new department, the Department of Peace.
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Re: John McCain, "Tough Guy"
Jul 27, 2008 5:52 PM
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GZ, I was told that there would be no math. 
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Re: John McCain, "Tough Guy"
Jul 27, 2008 5:40 PM
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> > McCain "Tough Guy"? No. McCain "Dangerous Guy".
> If
> > he dared show his face in Europe there'd be
> riots in
> > the streets. Blacked out by the U.S. media, of
> > course.
>
> Right now he's criticizing Obama for leaving the
> country, do you feel that this may be the reason why
> McCain isn't leaving himself?
I do.
But first, isn't it amusing to have the neocons on the defense for a change?
McCain (like Bush, or any neocon for that matter) is not free to move about his own country let alone anyone else's.
Only in the U.S. can they control every appearance by sending out hoards of handlers to work with an entire police force setting up security zones where hundreds or thousands of protesters are cordoned off and out of view of the neocon cavalcade. The MSM has always played along with this charade by keeping protesters off camera.
This just happened in NYS at a $10,000 a plate fundraiser. The good news is he only raised one million.
Who are they kidding? They don't know we talk to each other?
It's disingenuous to complain about Obama coverage when McCain gets treated like an imperial candidate by the very media he complains about.
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Re: John McCain, "Tough Guy"
Jul 27, 2008 2:37 PM
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> McCain "Tough Guy"? No. McCain "Dangerous Guy". If
> he dared show his face in Europe there'd be riots in
> the streets. Blacked out by the U.S. media, of
> course.
Right now he's criticizing Obama for leaving the country, do you feel that this may be the reason why McCain isn't leaving himself?
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Re: John McCain, "Tough Guy"
Jul 27, 2008 6:28 AM
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How about a Department of Imagination?
The article I sent from the Atlantic Monthly had the byline over the title. Bruce Hoffman wrote it. I think it was featured on Frontline or a PBS special, too. It's an amazing story.
Ala Einstein, to paraphrase 2 important things he said:
1.) Imagination is more important than knowledge.
2.) You can't solve problems at the same level of thinking that created them.
The greatest challenge for Obama is that every speech has to be written to appeal to two distinct audiences, U.S. neocon MSM/McCain supporters, and everybody else. If he failed to mention the "terrorism threat" to his Berlin audience, he'd have hell to pay with the media here.
McCain "Tough Guy"? No. McCain "Dangerous Guy". If he dared show his face in Europe there'd be riots in the streets. Blacked out by the U.S. media, of course.
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Re: John McCain, "Tough Guy"
Jul 27, 2008 3:53 AM
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William Bradley, Huff Po
Six Reasons McCain's Lucky He Didn't Make It On That Oil Rig
Posted July 25, 2008 | 06:45 PM (EST)
Presidential politics ran on two tracks this week. Barack Obama roaming the world to widespread applause and great pictures. And John McCain and his campaign griping about it all.
For Thursday, McCain, a noted gambler, thought he had an ace in the hole to counter Obama's big Berlin speech. He would chopper out from Louisiana to an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico. Which would do two things. Remind everyone he was a naval aviator. And push his big new theme that more offshore oil drilling is the way to bring down sky-high gas prices. (The existence of which he blames on Obama, curiously, in his latest TV ad, ignoring that gas prices have tripled under President Bush.) All with really cool pix.
But his campaign had to cancel late Wednesday, officially because of the threat of inclement weather from nearby Hurricane Dolly. Which might have been a tip right there that the whole offshore drilling thing is, as putative panaceas go, pretty problematic.
McCain reportedly bemoaned the lost opportunity all yesterday.
It's somewhat surprising he's upset it didn't happen, as I think it would have been a real debacle.
Here are six reasons he is very fortunate he ended up at Schmidt's Sausage Haus -- no relation to campaign director Steve Schmidt -- in Ohio yesterday, rather than on a pitching oil platform in the Gulf of Mexico:
1. California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, and Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell, all offshore oil drilling opponents, were all scheduled to be in New Orleans to promote their national infrastructure project the same day as McCain's fandango off the coast of Louisiana. One, Schwarzenegger, is one of McCain's most famous backers, who has several times already derided the offshore drilling scheme. Another, Bloomberg, is a rumored running mate. As it happens, Schwarzenegger had to cancel Wednesday afternoon, on account of the state's ongoing budget crisis. But he would have been asked about it again had the stunt occurred. And Bloomberg and Rendell were in Louisiana, also at the ready to criticize McCain's move.
2. McCain would have had to answer questions about his evidently false statement attributing a $10 a barrel drop in oil prices to Bush's executive order on offshore drilling. It was after he made this gaffe that he exited a town hall meeting without doing his constant press avail.
3. He would have had to answer overall questions about offshore drilling as a false way to bring down current gas prices, since it would take a very long time for it to impact prices. McCain reversed his long-held position against offshore oil drilling, and attacks Obama in his new ad for continuing his opposition to offshore drilling, thus, somehow, causing high gasoline prices. However, the federal government's own energy information agency noted just last year that it would probably take some 22 years before new offshore drilling would have a significant impact on prices at the pump.
4. Then there is the matter of Hurricane Dolly. If it's a problem for the would-be next President of the United States to take a helicopter out to the rig because of a hurricane in the vicinity, isn't that a problem for his new energy policy?
5. There was also a big oil spill in the Mississippi River flowing into the Gulf. Very awkward timing, to say the least. And bad pictures. Over 400,000 gallons of heavy fuel oil spilled into the Mississippi River after a collision between a tanker and a barge, creating a picturesque 12-mile oil spill.
6. Finally, there is the matter of McCain's constant efforts to cut into Obama's media from abroad. He and the campaign were actually quite nasty about this, with a lot of personal denigration of Obama from staff and not one but two web videos deriding the press. And McCain himself practically called Obama a traitor, declaring that the freshman Illinois senator "would rather lose a war than lose a campaign."
Stunt choppering out to an oil rig to try to cut into the news flow wouldn't have looked too good.
As one top Republican consultant said, "Mac should have gone on vacation this week. This looks bad." Or maybe just done his thing campaigning intensively in a big swing state.
Instead of griping about missing his big opportunity on that Gulf oil rig, McCain should be thanking his lucky stars he didn't make it out there to face a raft of embarrassing questions and about 200,000 fewer people than were cheering on Obama and waving American flags in Berlin.
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Re: John McCain, "Tough Guy"
Jul 27, 2008 2:25 AM
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> We know how to fight terrorism and win. No, not with
> war or guns. Remember Black September...
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> All You Need Is Love
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> "Do you want to know how to eliminate terrorism?
> I'll tell you. In fact, I'll tell you about something
> that no one else knows. Something that has never been
> written about. You will be amazed, but it is true.
> Listen."
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200112/hoffman
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> --
> Edited by Gzndhyt at 07/26/2008 6:49 PM PDT
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We need Department of Peace with a bigger budget than the DoD
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Re: John McCain, "Tough Guy"
Jul 26, 2008 10:22 PM
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I hate to sound like one of the "Obama scares me" type, because they rarely if ever give a reason for this irrational "fear," but that kind of talk from McCain scares me. Force is a last resort, not the first choice. Like Kevin Spacey said in The Negotiator, "first we talk." McCain seems to want to use force if you're a foreign country and you have the nerve to tell him no. I don't know if that's naivity, ignorance or both.
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Re: John McCain, "Tough Guy"
Jul 26, 2008 9:39 PM
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Mc Cain is acting like a grandparent. Half out of his mind, suffering from delusions. Every problem cannot be settled with a good whack in the head.
The problem is that he is not using a slipper or a hand. This nutcase has the military to use as a weapon. Someone please sit the old man down and tell him.
The way to salvation is not through Armageddon.
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Re: John McCain, "Tough Guy"
Jul 26, 2008 9:34 PM
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We know how to fight terrorism and win. No, not with war or guns. Remember Black September...
All You Need Is Love
"Do you want to know how to eliminate terrorism? I'll tell you. In fact, I'll tell you about something that no one else knows. Something that has never been written about. You will be amazed, but it is true. Listen."
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200112/hoffman
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Edited by Gzndhyt at 07/26/2008 6:49 PM PDT
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