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Last Post Mar 3, 2008 8:35 PM by: cindifan
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Re: Overtime: 02/01/08

Feb 3, 2008 10:15 AM
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Is it just me or Did Bill Mahr say that we have had 42 presidents? I believe we are in the process of nominating our 44th president.
I think that we should have the whole truth. Obama was not able to vote on going to war - we was not in the Senate yet . He can posturize as much as he wants but he was not there to boast about not voting to go to war. I am all for spinning but lies I think should be banned.
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Informed decisions

Feb 3, 2008 7:19 AM
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> What is Obama? Ophra likes him, ok. What has he done?
> Where has he been? Who has he helped? Talk is cheap!
> On the job training is not acceptable in the White
> House for me. It doesn't look like he has paid any
> dues. Come on help me out here, I can't vote a lamb
> in for our lions.


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Re: Overtime: 02/01/08

Feb 3, 2008 7:09 AM
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What is Obama? Ophra likes him, ok. What has he done? Where has he been? Who has he helped? Talk is cheap! On the job training is not acceptable in the White House for me. It doesn't look like he has paid any dues. Come on help me out here, I can't vote a lamb in for our lions.
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Re: Overtime: 02/01/08

Feb 3, 2008 2:31 AM
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Clinton was for healthcare until they payed her off.....

That disgusted me to completely lost faith in her....

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Don't Outlive Your Dreams
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ABOUT 0BAMA AND CLINTON

Feb 3, 2008 2:12 AM
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BILL,

I AM A BLACK WOMAN. AND I DON'T LIKE OBAMA. IF YOU NOTICE HE'S ACTING VERY UPITTY NOW,BUT THATS HOW MY PEOPLE GET WHEN THEY THINK THEY MADE IT.
SO MANY PEOPLE ESPECIALLY, WHITE MEN AND SOME WOMAN DON'T LIKE HILARY CLINTON. BUT SHE IS A STRONG BLACK AND WHITE WOMAN.:-D
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Re: Overtime: 02/01/08

Feb 3, 2008 1:32 AM
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i was disapointed that bill maher came out for barrack obama in the last show. My disapointment is based on two things bill said 1. in a show lasyt year he said something like"if the republicans want an amendment to bar same sex marriaget we want one so we can have clinton for another term" . more somberly, he did not so much want Obama as he did not want to have more years of rush limbaugh and co sniping at a clinton. if that is the case, then he should just let the republucans cast his vote. very sad
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Re: Overtime: 02/01/08

Feb 3, 2008 1:26 AM
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What has happened with all the Diebold voting machines? These were the dis-functioning systems that enabled President Bush to gain office in the first place. Does it really matter who gets the Democratic nomination. The election has already been rigged.

And on a different note: What the Hell was Kamale Harris doing at the Democratic debate? How is campaigning for Obama fulfilling her sworn duties as District Attorney for San Francisco? It's not. So now the taxpayers of San Francisco get to pay her way to go and petition for her next job? I wan't a refund.

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Re: Overtime: 02/01/08; Submitting Question

Feb 3, 2008 12:12 AM
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Bill,

The President needs to be able to convince politicians and others to implement his/her policies, yet Hillary couldn't even convince her own husband not to have affairs;

How can we vote for her as President when she can't even change the mind and/or habits of someone as close as a husband?

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Re: Overtime: 02/01/08

Feb 2, 2008 11:58 PM
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> > Wow! I'm sorry, but whatever happened to
> syntax,
> > context, grammer, even spelling? I'm not a
> neophyte
> > blogger but I am new to this forum. Somehow,
> I'd
> > expected more from this group.
> >
> > I've grown accustomed to blogger typo's (I'm
> > certainly guilty of my share), irrational anger

> and
> > prejudices, but I actually expected to read
> some
> > cogent discussion here. What's up folks? Is it
> the
> > lateness of the hour, or can you really not
> speak
> > English?
> >
> > Proabably more to the point, can you not present

> an
> > opinion without resorting to insult or "adult
> > language?" On occasion, I can say "Fuck you!"

> with
> > the best of them. However, I reserve that
> tactic for
> > those rare times I can find no other way to cut
> > through the bullshit of the moment.
> >
> > Reason, prudence, civilty and decorum are, none

> of
> > these, four-letter words. They make real
> > communication possible. That is, they permit us

> to
> > speak clearly and reasonably with each other
> and
> > invite a similar response from our partners in
> the
> > conversation.
> >
> > Vitriol and invective are the crutches of

> childish
> > minds that cannot abide ideas contrary to their
> own.
> > "Debate" in this forum appears to have been
> reduced
> > d to name-calling and silly, perjorative slams
> > against perceived "enemies." Honest,

> passionately
> > held beliefs have given way to pointless
> invective
> > and absolutely stupid references to sex organs
> and
> > other anatomical structures. Holy shit! Are
> we
> > really that bereft of imagination?
> >
> > Can we not (Please!) raise the level of our

> discourse
> > to something that approaches maturity? Can't
> we
> > employ passion and reason in the same breath?
> Good
> > grief! My 16-year-old daughter makes more
> sense, and
> > speaks more eloquently, than half of the posts
> I've
> > witnessed here.
> >
> > If you truly wish to change another human's

> opinion,
> > you must listen to them first, without bias or
> > preconception. Then, you must look for some

> common
> > thread you might agree upon and find a way to
> build
> > on that.
> >
> > On the other hand, if you don't give a damn

> about
> > anything but your own perspective, go ahead and
> rant
> > on. You'll successfully perpetuate the chaos
> that
> > envelopes the current state of our world, and we
> will
> > quite handily send all of us to hell in a
> > handbasket.
> >
> > My guess is that, as bloggers, most of us feel

> we are
> > anonymous. As such, we can dish out our worst
> > t diatribes without fear of retribution. Like
> > driving on the freeway, if someone pisses us

> off, we
> > imagine we can flip them the finger without
> > repercussion. But the reality is, sometimes,

> the
> > "flipped-off" has a gun in the glovebox and is
> more
> > than ready to react with a hairtrigger.
> >
> > I don't care if we do it in person,

> nose-to-nose, or
> > virtually on an Internet blog. The result is
> the
> > same. When we have no care for the ideas or
> the
> > feelings of those we attack, we are predictably
> > alienated from them. What's the point of that?

> Do
> > we imagine that the force of our mean-spirited
> > argument will make any effective difference?
> > Nonsense! We only isolate ourselves within the
> > e narrow, tiny room of our own ego. What a
> > completely useless waste of energy!
> >
> > How can I say this in a meaningful way? We

> must
> > establish our position in verifiable fact. We
> must
> > speak honestly about what we know to be true,
> not the
> > rumours talking heads hope we will repeat. We
> must
> > show appreciation and deference for the opinions
> of
> > those who disagree with us. Then, armed with
> > conviction, we can overcome them with the power

> and
> > truth of our argument.
> >
> > There's nothing wrong in fighting for what we
> > believe. There's a great deal wrong with

> fighting
> > dirty, fighting blindly, or fighting stupidly.
> >
> > Minds and hearts are never won over by insult

> or
> > brute force. They are won by compassion and
> the
> > grace of understanding for our common experience
> as
> > citizens of this nation and as human beings who
> share
> > this planet.
> >
> > Please, for all us, wake up and smell the

> coffee.
>
> Iagree. I recieved vicious insults for expressing my
> observations, which were not representative of my own
> beliefs. What you resist you become.So far left you
> can become right.


Sometimes there are haters out to get ya...It's their job...What else would they do with their lives?

It's hard when people claim to know what their talking about and when it is a cycle of continuous b.s.,......do you get where I'm coming from?

By all means, the majority of us are civilized, well constructed human beings, but if their weren't haters out there.....well, it would be a better place
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Re: Overtime: 02/01/08

Feb 2, 2008 9:29 PM
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One item on last night's show interested me and I think I have imput on it. That being why the Republicans hate Hiliary Clinton so much.

I work for a pretty rich, convervative family, and I guess, to paraphrase Bill. at least they're not voting against their own interests. They pay good, are nice and I like the job.

The mail that comes to the people I work for is part of the Karl Rove direct mail blitz. Since I've worked there all the mail is about Hiliary Clinton with a smattering (recently) just blasting the hell out of immigration reform. I haven't worked there all that long so I really didn't see it develop but I think the reason is simply that Karl Rove like any good snake oil salesman needed a topic to hang his hat on and Hiliary was it. So that's it. I'm talking these people get 30-50 pieces of mail a week or more. Sometimes the same thing over and over and over again. I've seen dollars, quarters and nickels attached. Stuff about how Hiliary Clinton had sex toys on a christmas tree while she was first lady. And I think after a while they believe it. Interesting huh. They did it to McCain too with their push polls. These are just highly immoral people.

Loved Clarence Page. What a very smart non partisan man. A man of uncommon common sense. But that guy Tabbi (?). I didn't like him. He was funny but he's a bit of a male Ann Colter. All show and no go.
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Re: Overtime: 02/01/08

Feb 2, 2008 6:32 PM
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I have heard this exact line of thinking -almost verbatim. It leads me to believe it is being circulated by those who wish to impune Obama's moral standing. The person I heard it from is a church-going person who often repeats what the person is instructed at church.

I offer a few thoughts:

1. Many people attend church, but do not follow each tenet literally. How many Catholics do you know who use birth control even though the Pope does not approve? Folks join churches sometimes drawn in by a friend, relative or good work done in the community.

2. Many people are members of organizations that profess ethnic or religious roots. Ethnic minorities often join to gain strength from people who share their ancestry. Members of the Hibernian society do not all want to blow up England, members of masonic organizations do not all wish to drop everything to follow Jacques DeMolay or decry non-members. They would not subordinate their loyalty to the USA to the interests of Ireland. Often it is a membership based on social connections and community work. I posit that Obama in no way seeks to forward the interests of Africa over our own. He is only seeking a connection with and pride in his heritage.

3. I doubt that Rev. Wright discusses the "mother continent" or the church charter on a regular basis. Most organizations have a charter that no one could ever quote because they are rarely mentioned.

4. Some people would simply lump Luis Farakhan in with Pat Robertson and other religious extremists who have a controversial social view expressed in religious terms. I've heard some wild things from both fronts. Why is Robertson just considered eccentric while Farakhan is an outcast in many quarters?

No - I'm not Black. I just wish people would drop the religion thing. On this I am definitely with Bill Maher (though not anti-religion as he is). Is this country needing religious help from a president, or should that person lead on economic, global and political issues instead?
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Re: Overtime: 02/01/08

Feb 2, 2008 6:18 PM
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Take a look at www.leap.cc COPS FOR THE LEGALIZATION OF DRUGS. They have learned now to call it reform and stay away from the L word. THERE BROCHURE SAYS ASK US WHY?
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Re: Overtime: 02/01/08

Feb 2, 2008 6:12 PM
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somehow, in the discussions of the presidential race, both on your show and others, there are two topics that are overlooked. The first one is obvious, the second one not so much. First, the most pressing stumbling block for all citizens is the price that they pay to fuel their cars on the way to and from work every day. This is not to say that "Big Oil" has not been a topic of discission, but rather to point out this: That, as a young voter in the Seventies, I can remember when our Presidents would stand in the way of the oil rich Middle Eastern countries when they would hold out oil for ransom. Tarriffs, embargos, the witholding of aid packages, and the like. I can also remember Nixon threatening war over oil being $32 a barrel. $32 . So I guess what I'm saying, is that this should be a question for the candidates of either party during a future debate. What, if anything would they do to stem, and even to reverse the spiralling cost at the punp? Americans (The middle class), are working to give a disproportionate amount of their wage to their gas tanks.
Second, there is the ongoing discission about the economy, and the jobs that "no american will do" in relation to the illegal immigrants. Well, you're gonna like this one, Bill. The reason that most everyone that I talk to about this is that they can't get that side job, second job, or even their main job, is that the drug test to gain employment includes weed. Let's face it. Probably 80% of all America lights up. To include this with actual chemical drugs is just wrong. If the people could get the drug test without weed being a part of it, there would be a lot more people with second jobs, or with a job, period. The cottage industries that would spring up, from the dealers, to growers and packagers, shipping, (Can we put YOU down for a pallett load, Bill?) would add even more work for people. The lower end workforce would start to refill itself with all of the people that came out of the woodwork to grab that second job that is now attainable through the legalization of weed. Also, I will go on record as saying that I have smoked weed since 1966 and have never had a problem finding it, only except when it slows at election time, so there has always been a "speakeasy" type of society about pot. If the beer companies can inundate people with ads to promote the imbibing of future DUI's, car wrecks, fights, domestic violence, stupid acts, and even death, what would be wrong with the legalization of weed? I know people that smoke and sit and watch television, or a movie, or talk with their friends and family...or listen to music, or PLAY some music, or watch the Bill Maher show...Things like this, but I have never seen in all my years of partying any one violent situation arise from the smoking of weed. It's time for the country to push for the legalization of weed. I bet that if a candidate were to run OPENLY for the legalization of weed, they would win hands down. I also wanted to say, Bill, that I have been a fan for a long time, and agree with you 99% of the time.
Thank you,
Bill Best
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Re: Barack & religious rhetoric

Feb 2, 2008 2:35 PM
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Religion should be completely separate of politics. It is a personal decision to worship or not!

Look at our current president. He claims to be a devout "Christian" and then kills everyone in sight. He has been a complete failure!

I have a problem with religious fanatics who feel the need to persuade people that they are religious... I have two words for them:

NOBODY CARES!
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Re: Barack & religious rhetoric

Feb 2, 2008 2:25 PM
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Brad333, thanks for the links. I am pretty shocked. But I'm more worried about Obama's church honoring Louis Farrakhan than his pandering to christians. However, the pandering does sort of dilute his "bring America together" message...

And I didn't know he opposed gay marriage... wonder if moveon.org knows that?
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