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Barack Obama was elected the 44th president of the United States, as the country chose him as its first African American chief executive.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Oct 14, 2009 2:01 PM
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> > Whatever the healthcare bill looks like it will
> > increase taxes on individuals and businesses.
>
> Link please.
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> > So, any of these bills will hurt job growth and
> in
> > the long term cause jobs to be lost.
>
> Link please.
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> >
> > There is no way that there will be savings from
> this
> > healthcare bill.
>
> Link please.
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> > I agree that something needs to be done
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> 
>
> Uh huh
AWWWKK!!!! AWWWKKK!!! AAAWWWWKKK!!!!
FAIR & BALANCED!!! FAIR & BALANCED!!!! FAIR & BALANCED!!!
Cut taxes for rich. AWWWKK!!!
Companies can't afford health care. AWWWKKK!!!
Gotta pay CEOs obscene bonuses. AAAWWWKK!!!
OOPS!!! OOPS!!! OOPS!!!
Gotta say CEOs take on onuses. AAAWWWKK!!!
Polly parroted, Polly want a "cracker".
Give him an ACORN.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Oct 14, 2009 1:59 PM
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Cynicalogy
No Sunaz. The more the demand for their services, the more money to pay them. Your education is sadly lacking.
So, when demand for oil increases, the price will decrease? No, when supply increases price falls, when demand increases, price increases.
Sadly, your education is lacking.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Oct 14, 2009 10:27 AM
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> What does the 92% number mean? What does approval
> ratings mean, somewhere between 50-55%, it seems?
> They mean something to the person who cares about
> t them. Meaning Obama. His concern is not creating
> the best policies, but the one's that will make him
> more popular. He has no healthcare bill or even
> shown any real research down, from him or congress,
> yet they take time to go after fox and other critics.
> They are getting involved in things that are too
> o small, and losing site of their big picture. They
> want to fight anyone who disagrees and must respond
> to them. They put more effort and fight into them,
> not much into the things that will actually get him
> elected.
>
> Look at baseball as an example. The Yankees are the
> kings of the sport and all sports for that matter.
> Between 1995-2000 they were clearly the best team in
> n baseball, winning three world titles. Did they
> waste time defending the complaints about payroll, no
> they went out there and won. They did it on the
> field. It is clear again the Yankees were the best
> team this year, now they will not be handed the
> title, they must earn it by winning the necessary 11
> games. Of course they hear the complaints about
> payroll, stadium, the baseball goods, they just go
> out their and play the game and win. That is what
> Obama needs to do, go out their and do what he needs
> to do. Have well thought out plans, give
> presentations showing the depth of research, engage
> the American people and treat them like adults.
> Instead he keeps going on with speeches full of
> f nothing, and teleprompters full of words.
>
> I am not sure exactly what he has done, but based on
> him being the editor of the harvard law review, he
> did not get that by not researching things. He was a
> teacher/instructor and that incompasses the ability
> to explain, research, and use documents to inform
> people. So, go back to his roots. Stop being a
> politician and start doing the hard work. We don't
> need a mouth piece, we need someone to get down and
> dirty. He is still just voting present.
>
> Hillary may have been right. He's all word and no
> action.
*sigh*
I had such high hopes for you, sunaz, but here you are, proving you've devolved into a repetitive talking point. You just can't see through all of that irrational hatred. My advice? Change the fucking channel, mon ami. It will do you good.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Oct 14, 2009 10:23 AM
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> Whatever the healthcare bill looks like it will
> increase taxes on individuals and businesses.
Link please.
> So, any of these bills will hurt job growth and in
> the long term cause jobs to be lost.
Link please.
>
> There is no way that there will be savings from this
> healthcare bill.
Link please.
> I agree that something needs to be done
Uh huh
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Re: President Barack Obama
Oct 14, 2009 6:23 AM
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Sunaz:
> Whatever the healthcare bill looks like it will
> increase taxes on individuals and businesses.
>
Rich individuals and businesses like Walmart that has pushed their employees on the public Medicaid plan already.
> So, the bill will increase the cost of an employee.
> So, either the employee will have to pay more for
> r their insurance, meaning less pay or businesses
> will not hire as many employees. This will lead to
> more businesses moving jobs overseas.
Actually, the opposite is true. Many firms are going overseas now because our healthcare system is broken. That's why many firms have fled to Canada. You really need to be informed before parroting RW lies.
> There is no way that there will be savings from this
> healthcare bill. The demand for healthcare will
> increase leading to the rise in the cost. Doctors
> and hospitals will be overloaded. The only way to
> lower costs is to decrease wages.
That is a totally false statement. A lie. Did you forget Big Phama and the Insurance Extortionists?
Doctors, nurses,
> office staff, and hospital administrators will have
> to take pay cuts. Most consider nurses underpaid,
> and it is not like the rest of the staff makes that
> much money. Meaning we will see less people in these
> jobs, more job losses.
>
No Sunaz. The more the demand for their services, the more money to pay them. Your education is sadly lacking.
> Not only will the cost of healthcare increase due to
> this bill, it will penalize more businesses too. So,
> if you have healthcare it will cost more, if you
> don't it will cost more. Exactly how will jobs
> grow.
>
Polly, repeating those lies isn't going to cut it.
> I agree that something needs to be done and hopefully
> if done the right way would release an anchor around
> the neck of American businesses. Any of these bills
> will just add more anchors to an already sinking ship.
Typical Republican obstructionism. "Something" needs to be done, but unfortunately that "something" will cost money so sadly nothing can be done at all. 
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Re: President Barack Obama
Oct 14, 2009 5:58 AM
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> Dashiel
>
> Iran, North Korea and the Taliban are serious
> people. Fox "News" is the television equivalent of
> "The National Enquirer". Need there be more
> said?
>
Sunaz:
> Iran wants Israel wiped off the map. Refuses to
> acknowledge that the holocaust happened. The people
> of North Korea eat the bark off a tree, and have
> shrunk over the years. Taliban of course wants to
> put women in their place. Not allowed to leave a
> house or doing anything and no education. They sould
> real serious to me.
>
> As for MSNBC, they were very critical of McCain and
> very critical of Bush everyday. Not to mention they
> campaigned for him [by "him" he might mean Obama].
Again, how has policy toward Iran or NK changed from the previous administrations?
While MSNBC certainly did not tell quite as many lies about Obama as FAUXNEWS did, they certainly didn't campaign for him.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Oct 14, 2009 5:51 AM
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Sunaz:
> So, while unemployment rises, the economy is getting
> worse, a war in Afghanistan, a war in Iraq, fight and
> finding Al Qaeda, stopping Iran from getting nuclear
> weapons, stop North Korea for selling or using
> nuclear weapons, healthcare, the Israeli and
> Palestinian conflict, and a massive debt.
>
That paragraph contains some claims, but has no point.
> And this white house and this president decides to
> focus him time on the Olympics, getting rid of the
> governor in NY, stopping anyone from running against
> NY Senator Gilibrand, stopping anyone from running
> against Arlen Spector, trying to get NJ governor
> reelected, and of course declaring war on Fox.
>
Well, certain political items need to be taken care of. I'm sure that Sunaz and all Republicans would prefer that the President ignore his role as party head and Head of State, but whining about Obama doing his job is kind of dumb. Oh, and you would also prefer that he pretend that the RW Propaganda outlet named "FOX" is legitimate, but Democrats are through playing nice with those hacks.
> I thought this president was going to be different,
> seems like we got more of the same.
>
No, actually you are complaining because Obama is NOT the same as Bush. Too damn bad.
> Not to mention he will talk to Iran and North Korea,
> and maybe even the Taliban, yet Obama is afraid to
> talk to Fox News.
>
American policies toward Iran and NK have not changed since Obama took office. As far as the Taliban is concerned, American troops are still fighting them, or have I missed something?
FOXNEWS is the propaganda arm of the Republican Party, and if that is the case they shouldn't expect that the Democrats are going to participate willingly when being smeared.
> At what time will he get serious, and start acting
> like a president and stop acting like the homecoming
> queen.
No, the RW is complaining exactly because he is being presidential. That is what making policy decisions and working legislation through congress is called. I know that you RNC fiction writers just love to use feminine names to describe Democrats (except the women who are mocked with masculine nicknames), but such idiocy doesn't really mean anything does it?
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Re: President Barack Obama
Oct 14, 2009 2:06 AM
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Dashiel
And of course you remember that after the bombings in 2000 the Clinton Administration informed the Bush Administration about the terrorist plans prior to 9/11. Mr. Cheney simply decided not to act upon the info.
What plans did the terrorists have? Not sure I remember the Clinton adm telling them of the terrorist plans. I do remember hearing Clinton say that was our biggest threat.
Mr. Clinton did the necessary undercover work to warn the incoming administration of possible attacks. It was the mistrust of the outgoing administration (not popularity) that had a hand in the bombings.
I'm not getting what you are saying. The did not trust Clinton so they attacked us? Popularity won't stop anything.
And since were quotin' about popularity, how about this one I'm sure Mr. Obama may be aware of:
"Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer."
That is not exactly a quote about popularity.
The Bush adm was formulating a plan to go after Afghanistan and Al Qaeda prior to 9/11.
You seem to want to get into a blame game, I am merely saying that being popular does not necessarily guarantee anything. And infact allows illusions to be created.
What does the 92% number mean? What does approval ratings mean, somewhere between 50-55%, it seems? They mean something to the person who cares about them. Meaning Obama. His concern is not creating the best policies, but the one's that will make him more popular. He has no healthcare bill or even shown any real research down, from him or congress, yet they take time to go after fox and other critics. They are getting involved in things that are too small, and losing site of their big picture. They want to fight anyone who disagrees and must respond to them. They put more effort and fight into them, not much into the things that will actually get him elected.
Look at baseball as an example. The Yankees are the kings of the sport and all sports for that matter. Between 1995-2000 they were clearly the best team in baseball, winning three world titles. Did they waste time defending the complaints about payroll, no they went out there and won. They did it on the field. It is clear again the Yankees were the best team this year, now they will not be handed the title, they must earn it by winning the necessary 11 games. Of course they hear the complaints about payroll, stadium, the baseball goods, they just go out their and play the game and win. That is what Obama needs to do, go out their and do what he needs to do. Have well thought out plans, give presentations showing the depth of research, engage the American people and treat them like adults. Instead he keeps going on with speeches full of nothing, and teleprompters full of words.
I am not sure exactly what he has done, but based on him being the editor of the harvard law review, he did not get that by not researching things. He was a teacher/instructor and that incompasses the ability to explain, research, and use documents to inform people. So, go back to his roots. Stop being a politician and start doing the hard work. We don't need a mouth piece, we need someone to get down and dirty. He is still just voting present.
Hillary may have been right. He's all word and no action.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Oct 14, 2009 1:36 AM
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Whatever the healthcare bill looks like it will increase taxes on individuals and businesses.
So, the bill will increase the cost of an employee. So, either the employee will have to pay more for their insurance, meaning less pay or businesses will not hire as many employees. This will lead to more businesses moving jobs overseas. They want to tax medical equipment which will raise the cost, and in the long term mean they will not be made here.
So, any of these bills will hurt job growth and in the long term cause jobs to be lost.
There is no way that there will be savings from this healthcare bill. The demand for healthcare will increase leading to the rise in the cost. Doctors and hospitals will be overloaded. The only way to lower costs is to decrease wages. Doctors, nurses, office staff, and hospital administrators will have to take pay cuts. Most consider nurses underpaid, and it is not like the rest of the staff makes that much money. Meaning we will see less people in these jobs, more job losses.
Not only will the cost of healthcare increase due to this bill, it will penalize more businesses too. So, if you have healthcare it will cost more, if you don't it will cost more. Exactly how will jobs grow.
I agree that something needs to be done and hopefully if done the right way would release an anchor around the neck of American businesses. Any of these bills will just add more anchors to an already sinking ship.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Oct 14, 2009 1:33 AM
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> > > Dash,
> > >
> > > He's got to do it, it's part of why he's
> > getting
> > > paid. It's in the script.
> > >
> > > I believe it's in Section 42(a):
> > >
> > > Post links to bullshit we made up.
> >
> > ======================================
> >
> > And the worst part: It's not even bullshit one
> can
> > pretend to believe. You'd have to shut down
> all
> > thinking faculties without an attempt to at
> least do
> > a separate check on a separate website or news
> show.
> >
> > --
> > Edited by Dashiel at 10/13/2009 10:11 PM PDT
>
> Dash,
>
> You know he doesn't think, Rust does their thinking
> for them. He's just supposed to "ditto" Rust like a
> good parrot. He'll never post a link to actual facts.
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A parrot parrotting a parrot. 
Here's to the hope we'll evolve into the 21st century quickly. No one should take Limbaugh seriously.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Oct 14, 2009 1:22 AM
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> But, I do remember that in the 90's we were loved and
> Clinton was popular around the world. Yet we had the
> first WTC bombing, Kolhbar Towers bombings, Embassies
> in Tanzania bombed, and the USS Cole bombed during
> 2000. And while we were so busy being liked, they
> continued to plot and were successful in hijacking
> four plans crashing two into the WTC, one into the
> pentagon, and one was crashed by the passangers of
> that plan, which was going to target something in
> Washington, DC.
>
> So, in the time we were loved around the world people
> were plotting a horrific attack. So, in testimony
> given to the 9/11 commission by President Clinton and
> Madeline Albright about why they did not go after Al
> Qaeda in Afghanistan, the answer was the world did
> not want war. So, instead of doing the necessary
> things to protect this country, he preferred to be
> popular(that is not to blame him for 9/11).
>
> So, exactly were did being popular get us?
>
> "What is popular is not always right, and what is
> right is not always popular."
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And of course you remember that after the bombings in 2000 the Clinton Administration informed the Bush Administration about the terrorist plans prior to 9/11. Mr. Cheney simply decided not to act upon the info.
Mr. Clinton did the necessary undercover work to warn the incoming administration of possible attacks. It was the mistrust of the outgoing administration (not popularity) that had a hand in the bombings.
And since were quotin' about popularity, how about this one I'm sure Mr. Obama may be aware of:
"Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer."
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Re: President Barack Obama
Oct 14, 2009 1:17 AM
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> > >
> > > Note to self: If you're going to present
> a
> > debate
> > > about having all the facts, please do
> yourself
> > and
> > > your reputation a service and do not refer
> to
> > "Fox
> > > News" as an authority.
> > >
> > > The show's catchphrase is "The ASSUME
> News".
> > >
> > > And of course when you ASSUME, you make an
> ASS
> > out of
> > > U and ME.
> >
> > Dash,
> >
> > He's got to do it, it's part of why he's
> getting
> > paid. It's in the script.
> >
> > I believe it's in Section 42(a):
> >
> > Post links to bullshit we made up.
>
> ======================================
>
> And the worst part: It's not even bullshit one can
> pretend to believe. You'd have to shut down all
> thinking faculties without an attempt to at least do
> a separate check on a separate website or news show.
>
> --
> Edited by Dashiel at 10/13/2009 10:11 PM PDT
Dash,
You know he doesn't think, Rust does their thinking for them. He's just supposed to "ditto" Rust like a good parrot. He'll never post a link to actual facts.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Oct 14, 2009 1:10 AM
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> >
> > Note to self: If you're going to present a
> debate
> > about having all the facts, please do yourself
> and
> > your reputation a service and do not refer to
> "Fox
> > News" as an authority.
> >
> > The show's catchphrase is "The ASSUME News".
> >
> > And of course when you ASSUME, you make an ASS
> out of
> > U and ME.
>
> Dash,
>
> He's got to do it, it's part of why he's getting
> paid. It's in the script.
>
> I believe it's in Section 42(a):
>
> Post links to bullshit we made up.
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And the worst part: It's not even bullshit one can pretend to believe. You'd have to shut down all thinking faculties without an attempt to at least do a separate check on a separate website or news show.
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Edited by Dashiel at 10/13/2009 10:11 PM PDT
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Re: President Barack Obama
Oct 14, 2009 1:04 AM
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> The gasps in the room when it was announced.....who
> were they?
>
> This was clearly a political decision for a president
> who is a globalist......... and who believes in
> socialism...... when nominated he barely did
> anything......when selected....still nothing but
> apologies for our country and kissing up to AH
> dictators.
>
> This award is about those who are giving it and their
> motives. Mother Theresa deserved any award from
> anybody.....but Obama? There were gasps in that
> room and I doubt if they were all from Americans.
> It really makes this trophy devalued....just like
> ke all the trophies handed out to the little kids
> today.....it means little unless you in your heart
> feel you deserved it. Clearly even Obama didn't feel
> that way.
The Nobel Committee's reasons are well documented. Mr. Obama was humbled by the award when he most assuredly deserves it; for putting up with obtuese partisianship, childish jealousies and out and out unwarranted hatred.
The man truly deserves a Good Conduct Award with clusters. I know of Generals in the military who have four of the things from three separate conflicts wouldn't have tolerated these crybabies as he has. That's why he's the President, he has to overlook such nonsense and see the bigger picture.
>
> If you want to rejoice over...hey...go right ahead.
> Who cares...other than the ones rejoicing over it.
> .
>
> Let's just hope we can get through his 4 years
> without a disaster. Talk is just talk....and
> while it may get you an award ..in the end ...that is
> all it really is...........talk.
Negotiation is better than sending some kid to die on some god forsaken rock any day.
>
> Obama has used language to persuade and to deceive.
> Take for instance his saying that he would not
> not "require" us to leave our old health plans.
> Common sense would lead a reasonable person into
> o assuming that companies would abandon their
> expensive health benefits and go for what is best for
> them. That whole health care "reform" was not
> really about reform or saving money for average
> Americans...it was about his agenda of
> redistribution....it is going to cost taxpayers more
> in many ways..... not save money. I would not buy
> a used car from Obama and alot of you are buying all
> of his BS.
I take it you didn't get the memo from Price Waterhouse. See what happens when you watch only Fox??
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Re: President Barack Obama
Oct 14, 2009 12:56 AM
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Dashiel
Iran, North Korea and the Taliban are serious people. Fox "News" is the television equivalent of "The National Enquirer". Need there be more said?
Iran wants Israel wiped off the map. Refuses to acknowledge that the holocaust happened. The people of North Korea eat the bark off a tree, and have shrunk over the years. Taliban of course wants to put women in their place. Not allowed to leave a house or doing anything and no education. They sould real serious to me.
As for MSNBC, they were very critical of McCain and very critical of Bush everyday. Not to mention they campaigned for him.
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