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Barack Obama was elected the 44th president of the United States, as the country chose him as its first African American chief executive.
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Re: President Barack Obama
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The new President was elected because the majority of Americans want change. Part of this change is to hold accountable those who may have violated the Constitution of the United States. Justice is demanded, otherwise the message being sent is that the policies of the last eight years are condoned and accepted as Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) of this government and future administrations. The Speaker Of The House stated that there would be no impeachment hearings on the Bush Administration, even though Congress wasted no time bringing impeachment charges against Bill Clinton for misdemeanors. This announcement came soon after the Democrats won a majority in Congress in 2006. I found this amazing considering that torture and ?Rendition? has been SOP for the last eight years. The lies that led up to the invasion of Iraq, and the torture that followed are ?High Crimes,? and punishable by Impeachment! Certainly the ?outing? of a CIA agent is tantamount to treason!
Yes, 9-11 was a terrorist act, however we need to identify all of those involved. Most educators, scientists, and demolition experts who have watched videos of World Trade Center (WTC) Building 7 collapsing have stated that this was a controlled demolition. Certainly the fires that were started inside Building 7 did not cause it to fall. Building 7 was almost half as tall as the Twin Towers and was the most securely built, housing various government agencies. No skyscraper before nor since 9-11 has ever collapsed due to being hit by aircraft or fire. Several fires in high rises have occurred throughout the world that were much more serious than what was seen on 9-11, and none of them collapsed! They also agree that the charges had to have been planted well in advance of September 11, 2001 for this to take place. The conclusion therefore is that those who had the charges planted knew in advance that the WTC was to be ?attacked.?
The owner of Building 7 (Silverstein), who had just purchased and taken out large insurance policies on the building prior to 9-11, had stated on camera during an interview on the PBS documentary ?Why The Buildings Fell:? "I remember getting a call from the Fire Department Commander telling me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire. I said, you know we've had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is 'pull it'. And they made that decision to pull. And then we watched the building collapse." This is a demolition term meaning, ?bring it down.? The firefighters were not ?his men,? and in any case were not in the building. This documentary, by the way, also ignores the large center support beams than ran vertically up the center of the towers. Instead, the impression given is that the building had a hollow core and housed only elevator shafts. This was not the case! This also raises the question that if Building 7 was brought down by planted charges, then perhaps Buildings 1&2 were also brought down by previously planted charges as well. Many demolition experts have stated that they could see ?squibs? flying out horizontally as Buildings 1&2 collapsed, indicating a controlled demolition.
It should be noted that the second building hit by a plane fell first, having not burned as long as the first building hit, which is unusual if they were in fact brought down by fire alone. Fortunately all three buildings fell upon their own footprint, thereby causing less damage to surrounding buildings. This was also very unusual for buildings this high to collapse at nearly freefall speed and ?pancake? into their own footprint without leaving their center support columns standing. The pyroclastic dust from pulverized concrete that ensued is also indicative of an explosion.
There were an unusually large amount of ?puts? placed on the airlines stock involved prior to the attack on 9-11. In addition to Silverstein, somebody else really did make a ?killing? off of this. One witness stated she saw several men on top of a building nearby that were dancing and filming the event, and had been there prior to the attack. In addition, a news report was made about a truck that contained explosives being stopped on a bridge. This report was never mentioned again by any of the news outlets.
One thing is certain, a serious investigation needs to be conducted into what really caused the three buildings at the WTC to collapse, and those responsible brought to justice. Like the Warren Commission, the 9-11 Commission failed to address many questions. The collapse of Building 7, and the money trail that financed the ?attack? were never investigated. The Bush family has had long ties with the Bin Laden family (some of whom lived in Falls Church, VA near the CIA prior to 9-11). The Bin Laden family members were the only ones allowed to be spirited out of the country immediately after the attack on 9-11. In addition, the government helped fund what was eventually to become Al Qaeda, during the Russian/Afghan war. Prior to 9-11, Osama Bin Laden was treated by U.S. doctors in a hospital in the Middle East, and was visited by a CIA case officer.
There are several facts that were brought out and recorded during the event that warrant this investigation. Many of those on scene such as firefighters and others, have indicated that they heard and/or felt explosions before and after the second plane hit the WTC. Several reporters from the major broadcast networks such as Dan Rather have indicated that the buildings appeared to have been brought down by controlled explosions. The videos taken of the event also indicate that this appears to be the case; with experts indicating that in order for the buildings to collapse at nearly free-fall speed would require a controlled demolition. Building 7 actually had a ?crimp? in it just as it started to collapse which is a common practice when bringing down a building in it?s own footprint. In addition, the ?penthouse? on top of Building 7 could be seen collapsing first, when it was never damaged by fire to begin with. The buildings were built to withstand the impact of passenger jets, and the majority of the fuel was burned off in the fireball upon impact. Firefighters indicated that there was still molten metal at the base of the collapsed buildings days later. This would indicate that something other than jet fuel caused this metal to remain molten and hot long after the event. Some have suggested Thermate was used as a cutting agent on the main structural members at the core of the buildings.
A BBC reporter stated that Building 7 had collapsed, when it was in fact seen still standing in the video above her left shoulder. This would indicate that BBC had advanced knowledge that Building 7 was going to collapse. Who was their source? Why would anyone think these building would collapse due to fire when no skyscraper of this size had ever done so before? Unless of course someone knew in advance that charges had been placed inside these buildings, and that they were due to be ?pulled.?
In addition, there is the testimony of Mineta before Congress about his meeting with Dick Cheney in the Pentagon on 9-11 just before the opposite side of the Pentagon was hit:
MR. MINETA: ?No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane [was] coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And ??
The questions remain: What orders, and what plane? Does the VP know the attack is eminent and this young man is updating him on a regular basis?
Since the policies of this government for the last eight years (i.e. the ?War On Terror;? the violation of the Geneva Convention & U.N. Charter; the manipulation of intelligence; the use of Preemptive Strikes; the invasion of Iraq, & Afghanistan; the use of a mercenary army & war crimes; the shredding of the Constitution, illegal arrest & detention without charge or legal representation, Habeas Corpus, Due Process, & Probable Cause; Torture, & ?Extraordinary Rendition;? the outing of a CIA agent; the political firing of Federal Prosecutors; the re-classification and/or destruction of documents; and the illegal spying & wiretapping of U. S. citizens) have all been based upon what happened on 9-11, it is essential that we get to the whole truth about what caused the three buildings to collapse. The 9-11 Commission was controlled from the White House, and Congress acquiesced its responsibility as one of the ?Checks-And-Balances,? of our three-branch government. It has allocated dictatorial powers to the Executive Branch under the (Un-) Patriot Act, and no longer represents the people. Instead, they are beholden to the corporate lobbyists that ply their halls, and the money they put in their pockets.
For the mainstream media to turn away from the issue simply because it is too distressing to even contemplate, much less investigate, is for them to shirk their duty as the ?Fourth Estate,? and one of the pillars of our democracy. Without the check-and-balance of a ?Free Press? (now in the control of fewer people like Rupert Murdoch) pressuring the Judiciary to investigate and bring to justice anyone responsible, it is doubtful that anything will be done. Most of the evidence at the crime scene was immediately hauled away and shipped overseas, and therefore cannot be used. Photos of ground zero prior to ?clean-up? show some of these large steel center support beams being sheared off at an angle as if cut by Thermate. The paper and money trail can still be investigated however, and the information subpoenaed from the Bush Administration, and CIA. So far the Bush Administration has successfully thumbed its nose at Congress. Failure to release this information in the name of ?National Security,? would indeed be a threat to our nation?s security in that we would have already lost our democracy!
Failure to investigate what really happened on 9-11 will indicate that all branches of the government are in collusion with each other and that their goal is the domination and control of not only America and it?s people, but the rest of the world as well. This has all been spelled out in the Neo-Conservative (i.e. Neo-Fascist) Mien Kamph: ?Rebuilding America?s Defenses ? Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century.? A Report of The Project for the New American Century September 2000. Participants included: Paul Wolfowitz, William (Bill) Kristol, and I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby.
An Excerpt:
?Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event ? like a
new Pearl Harbor.?
Page 51
It certainly looks like the Neocons got their new Pearl Harbor!
It?s not as if this wasn?t thought of before: Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a false flag conspiracy plan, proposed within the U.S. government in 1962. The plan called for CIA or other operatives to kill American civilians and commit apparent acts of terrorism.
EXAMPLE:
?It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.
a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.
b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.?
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Re: President Barack Obama
Dec 30, 2008 8:28 PM
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>
> Maybe the intended victim spouse drove the other one
> crazy?!?!
>
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Dawg, you are funny! 
Possibly, but usually it has to do with money or ownership of something. I find it silly to kill anyone for less than a million dollars. The 50 or 100 grand in insurance money will only last one week with me. ![]:)](http://boards.hbo.com/images/emoticons/devil.gif)
Good nite. Got to get ready for party #1.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Dec 30, 2008 7:52 PM
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> >
> > CBunny,
> >
> > There's the conspiracy to commit a crime
> argument.
> > Also when you use the telephone &/or U.S. Mail
> there
> > are other things that get brought in.
> Solicitation of
> > a bribe also, sounds like he was at least going
> to
> > solicit someone. It'll be interesting to see
> what the
> > evidence is & how long he was under
> surveillance.
> >
> ________________________
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> s2,
>
> In Florida, we have a real bad problem of a crazy
> spouse hiring someone to kill the other spouse.
> Since we have a tip line that gives rewards, many
> y people who was hired as the killer, will call the
> tip line. The police often alerts the spouse, that
> should be killed, and ask them to co-operate. They
> also tell the hired killer to collect the 1st
> installment of the money. Later, they paint up the
> "dead" spouse, and take a picture. They "wire" the
> killer and send him back with the photo. When they
> hear the spouse's response on the wire, they then
> arrest the crazy spouse.
>
> Why are the police going through all that trouble?
> Why do they need the 1st installment of the
> the money. Why the photo? Why the wired killer?
>
> The killer already said he was hired to murder
> someone. They have the 1st party witness. The hired
> killer.
>
> The police knows that the case is weak without two
> things. The wired and taped response, and the
> money.
>
> In Blaggy's case, no money was exchanged, or
> response made about the receiving money for
> extortion.
>
> However, I do agree about the postal and telephone
> conspiracy. But then again, no agreement of the
> money exchange for the extortion / fraud
> arrest was made.
>
> I am also interested in hearing the exact tape. Not
> a copy.
CBunny,
Remember that Fitzgerald is a Federal Prosecutor not state of Ill. He can't prosecute state crimes. So things may be a lot different & state laws vary. Usually they'll try Fed charges first then state if there's still any need to. JJ, Jr. is a House Rep. so that may be part of it.
Maybe the intended victim spouse drove the other one crazy?!?!
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Re: President Barack Obama
Dec 30, 2008 7:23 PM
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> CBunny,
>
> There's the conspiracy to commit a crime argument.
> Also when you use the telephone &/or U.S. Mail there
> are other things that get brought in. Solicitation of
> a bribe also, sounds like he was at least going to
> solicit someone. It'll be interesting to see what the
> evidence is & how long he was under surveillance.
>
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s2,
In Florida, we have a real bad problem of a crazy spouse hiring someone to kill the other spouse. Since we have a tip line that gives rewards, many people who was hired as the killer, will call the tip line. The police often alerts the spouse, that should be killed, and ask them to co-operate. They also tell the hired killer to collect the 1st installment of the money. Later, they paint up the "dead" spouse, and take a picture. They "wire" the killer and send him back with the photo. When they hear the spouse's response on the wire, they then arrest the crazy spouse.
Why are the police going through all that trouble? Why do they need the 1st installment of the money. Why the photo? Why the wired killer?
The killer already said he was hired to murder someone. They have the 1st party witness. The hired killer.
The police knows that the case is weak without two things. The wired and taped response, and the money.
In Blaggy's case, no money was exchanged, or response made about the receiving money for extortion.
However, I do agree about the postal and telephone conspiracy. But then again, no agreement of the money exchange for the extortion / fraud arrest was made.
I am also interested in hearing the exact tape. Not a copy.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Dec 30, 2008 6:47 PM
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> S2grand,
>
> The Demo may not allow the new Senate appointee.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081230/pl_nm/us_blagojevi
> ch_senate_7
>
> Obama agrees with the Demo's
>
> This is scandalous!
>
> Also I question when words can convict you of a
> crime.
>
> I started thinking about the US Justice arrest.
>
> Blaggy may have been joking. Words spoken from a
> page doesn't have the same inflection as hearing it
> on tape.
>
> And what happened to the indictment? What's taking
> so long? O.J. was indicted faster than this? Is
> there really a case?
>
> One of my friends, that is a judge, commented to me,
> that the case is very slim and may not make it to
> court. He also said that you have to keep your nose
> clean when in politics.
>
> P.S., More people are moving to the center. That's
> why almost every eight years the President and
> Congress is the opposing party since Reagan.
>
> 52% of registered Americans voted for Obama.
> 52% is near the mean of 100%. Meaning it's darn
> near the center.
> Some people hold onto illusions, not facts.
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> Edited by CBunny at 12/30/2008 3:41 PM PST
CBunny,
There's the conspiracy to commit a crime argument. Also when you use the telephone &/or U.S. Mail there are other things that get brought in. Solicitation of a bribe also, sounds like he was at least going to solicit someone. It'll be interesting to see what the evidence is & how long he was under surveillance.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Dec 30, 2008 6:35 PM
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S2grand,
The Demo may not allow the new Senate appointee.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081230/pl_nm/us_blagojevich_senate_7
Obama agrees with the Demo's
This is scandalous!
Also I question when words can convict you of a crime.
I started thinking about the US Justice arrest.
Blaggy may have been joking. Words spoken from a page doesn't have the same inflection as hearing it on tape.
And what happened to the indictment? What's taking so long? O.J. was indicted faster than this? Is there really a case?
One of my friends, that is a judge, commented to me, that the case is very slim and may not make it to court. He also said that you have to keep your nose clean when in politics.
P.S., More people are moving to the center. That's why almost every eight years the President and Congress is the opposing party since Reagan.
52% of registered Americans voted for Obama.
52% is near the mean of 100%. Meaning it's darn near the center.
Some people hold onto illusions, not facts.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Dec 30, 2008 6:24 PM
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> > Thank Goodness the crooked Repugs have gone down
> in
> > humiliating defeat.
> >
> > Not only is the vile Bush Crime Family done,
> the
> > Repugs only have 41 Senate seats and my idiot
> > Conservatard Congressman was defeated by a good
> > Democrat.
> >
> > Its gonna be a great 2009!
> >
> > --
> > "I suggest putting Dr. Kevorkian as the head of
> the
> > RNC, because it's a suicide mission."
>
> hey Dave,
>
> the one I couldn't stand here in Kansas, Brownback,
> is retiring. Yeay!!
Rainy,
Glad to hear it! I hope Kansas doesn't get someone even worse!
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Re: President Barack Obama
Dec 30, 2008 3:30 PM
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> This "just in":
>
> Blagojevich appoints Roland Burris to fill Obama's
> Senate seat, here's his Wikipedia entry:
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Burris
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Wow, what nerve. He's is under fire and still pretending like it's another day at the office.
I thought that the Senate doesn't have to approve Blaggy's appointment.
What happened to the impeachment?
What happened to Jesse Jackson, Jr?
Is this mess going to ruin triple J's career?
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Re: President Barack Obama
Dec 30, 2008 3:13 PM
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This "just in":
Blagojevich appoints Roland Burris to fill Obama's Senate seat, here's his Wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Burris
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"We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home." - Edward R. Murrow
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own fact" - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
The first casualty when war comes is the truth. - Senator Hiram Johnson in 1917
Who murdered Ray Lemme & Michael Connell?? We know why!!!
Keep the Internet FREE!!!
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Edited by s2grand at 12/30/2008 12:16 PM PST
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Re: President Barack Obama
Dec 30, 2008 9:18 AM
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We don't know what's going to change or how quickly bcz we've never had this kind of Internet-driven, bottom-up, open-government brand of presidency before.
We did overcome the wealthy and powerful Repub machine with small donations totalling in the millions of $$$, and hundreds of thousands of us wore out our shoe leather hitting the streets for the campaign.
It's up to us to work for the kind of government we want to have. We are our own strongest lobby, and we should also be supporting, in any we can, all the organizations that lobby on our behalf. All it takes is jumping in and staying involved. Weigh in with your questions at
http://change.gov/page/content/openforquestions20081229/
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Re: President Barack Obama
Dec 30, 2008 5:25 AM
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rasputin wrote:
Obama will be a centrist, because he has no choice.....America is divided roughly 50/50 Lib or Conservo.......all these physchotic liberal 60's burnouts who think EVERTHING will change because of Obama......not gonna happen
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Just keep whistling past the conservative graveyard.
Just as Obama did in the election, he's going to shock some people when he rocks their worlds...
We won the election, and "elections have consequences."
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Re: President Barack Obama
Dec 29, 2008 11:43 PM
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Obama will be a centrist, because he has no choice.....America is divided roughly 50/50 Lib or Conservo.......all these physchotic liberal 60's burnouts who think EVERTHING will change because of Obama......not gonna happen
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Re: President Barack Obama
Dec 29, 2008 11:35 PM
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Reform, that's what I hope the theme is for the next few years in congress.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Dec 29, 2008 11:34 PM
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> Thank Goodness the crooked Repugs have gone down in
> humiliating defeat.
>
> Not only is the vile Bush Crime Family done, the
> Repugs only have 41 Senate seats and my idiot
> Conservatard Congressman was defeated by a good
> Democrat.
>
> Its gonna be a great 2009!
>
> --
> "I suggest putting Dr. Kevorkian as the head of the
> RNC, because it's a suicide mission."
hey Dave,
the one I couldn't stand here in Kansas, Brownback, is retiring. Yeay!!
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Re: President Barack Obama
Dec 29, 2008 8:40 PM
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Time to start making suggestions again on the "What Would Make a Good Show" thread again. I assume "Real Time" will be back on in Feb. & that's not that far off to start lining up guests. Some have said the show isn't as funny but it doesn't have to be all that funny if the rest of the show is really good with great panelists & interviewees with intelligent, thought-provoking & insightful comments.
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"We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home." - Edward R. Murrow
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own fact" - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
The first casualty when war comes is the truth. - Senator Hiram Johnson in 1917
Who murdered Ray Lemme & Michael Connell?? We know why!!!
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