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With Sarah Palin's resignation today, do you feel that she's laid down the gauntlet and became the first official candidate in the 2012 campaign for president?
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Re: Presidential Race 2012 -- Did it start Today?
Aug 19, 2009 10:00 PM
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Everyone in national politics is a pathalogical liar there is no way you can suceed in our system without being one. It goes with the job.
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Re: Presidential Race 2012 -- Did it start Today?
Aug 19, 2009 7:22 PM
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Megan McCain lies to cover for her Dad, but she isn't pathological like Dick Cheney's stupid daughter.
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Re: Presidential Race 2012 -- Did it start Today?
Aug 19, 2009 2:26 AM
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> Somebody named Megan McCain says that Joe the Plumber
> is "a dumbass." I guess she is some kin to Lyin'
> John?
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> Before you give her too much credit though, she
> refused to give her true opinion of Sarah Palin.
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> I don't rate Palin any higher than Joe, so I assume
> that Megan is cowardly slamming a safe target.
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> I might pay attention if she would "Man-Up" and take
> on Caribou Barbie though.
Did not Megan Mccain get dumped by Brett Michaels on Rock of Love?
She seems like a lovely young lady but lets be honest she does not come off as terribly bright. I can see why people on the left love when she opens her mouth though. Somebody please stick that girl in the corner of the room with some cray paper and a box of crayons.
Then again she is very young and don't you feel sorry for the younger folks now days that are gonna have all the stupid shit they said and did posted on you tube for their kids to see one day.
But hey look who's talking and back to the original point I fear this country may be stuck in a permanent campaign from all sides.
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Re: Presidential Race 2012 -- Did it start Today?
Jul 16, 2009 6:52 AM
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Somebody named Megan McCain says that Joe the Plumber is "a dumbass." I guess she is some kin to Lyin' John?
Before you give her too much credit though, she refused to give her true opinion of Sarah Palin.
I don't rate Palin any higher than Joe, so I assume that Megan is cowardly slamming a safe target.
I might pay attention if she would "Man-Up" and take on Caribou Barbie though.
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Re: Presidential Race 2012 -- Did it start Today?
Jul 15, 2009 10:29 PM
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Are you fucking kidding? The DNC can only HOPE so!
LOL! PLEASE!
DaN
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Re: Presidential Race 2012 -- Did it start Today?
Jul 15, 2009 9:33 AM
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Yesterday, I saw a poll on TV were a large majority of Republicans thought that Sarah Palin was unqualified to be President.
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Re: Presidential Race 2012 -- Did it start Today?
Jul 14, 2009 1:31 PM
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Here is the total FLADEMS email sent to me I changed the names of private member, because it's not the info that's needed.
Our journey to reach 1,000 new donors in six months began in January with XXXX -- a homemaker from Panama City - and ended with our 1,000th new donor, YYYY -- a retired college professor from Lutz.
Thanks to them and the 998 donors that came in between them we met our goal by reaching 1,013 new donors in the first half of 2009. We are well on our way to building a campaign to meet the once in a generation opportunity we have in the next election.
In the 2010 election we will have open races for Governor, a US Senate seat, three cabinet offices, and over 30 legislative races -- and I know we can do it because we are fired up to win and we'll have the grassroots support to do it.
For the first time in over a decade we have raised more money than Republican Party of Florida during the second quarter -- and we did it thanks to you. While they only relied on large checks from just over 200 donors -- we had over 8 times the number of people stand up and invest in our party and over 15 times more people give under $100.
While they are depending on big money to defend the status quo, we are bringing people together to bring change to Florida.
The outpouring of support from grassroots donors like you shows that we are organized and energized to elect proven leaders such as Alex Sink as our next Governor, as well as electing Democrats up and down the ticket.
Thank you so much for joining XXXX and YYYY to help us reach our goal.
Sincerely,
Karen
Congresswoman Karen L. Thurman
Chairwoman, Florida Democratic Party
PS: Thought you might like to see the numbers for yourself:
Florida Democratic Party
Raised: $1,196,529.89
1,251 Online Donors, of which 1,013 were new donors to the Florida Democratic Party
1740 Donations
Donations under $100: 1,371
Republican Party Of Florida
Raised: $1,160,064.0
224 Donations
Donations under $100: 71
(Source: Florida Division of Elections)
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Re: Presidential Race 2012 -- Did it start Today?
Jul 14, 2009 1:21 PM
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> > Those numbers seem pretty low for both parties.
> I
> > find it hard to think that only 2,000 people in
> > Florida made contributions to either party.
> What is
> > that a week, a month, a year. What is the
> source?
> >
> > Not doubting that the Republicans made
> significantly
> > larger contribution per dollar, but those
> numbers
> > without context can be misleading or confusing.
>
> Are you kidding! 
>
> The money was collected from the first half of 2009.
>
> Did you forget? We're in a depression / recession.
> Florida is one of those states that is excelling in
> n bankruptcies, foreclosures, and unemployment.
>
> And about the repubs large contribution. Did you
> forget that more of our elites are Republicans?
> Therefore the depression is not affecting them as
> s much.
>
> They probably profited from it, instead. Somebody
> received those TARP and stimulus checks. It wasn't
> me! Doubt those dems who contributed less than 100
> bucks, profited, either.
>
> --
> I used to say, "I" and "me"
> Now it's "us", now it's "we."
>
> Michael Jackson, from "Ben"
Not kidding you. Maybe if you put all the information in your original post, people wouldn't need clarification. You never stated the first half of 2009. It makes more sense now considering this is not an election year. But before you get defensive, you might want to proof read your posts and see that you gave no clarification of any timeframe.
Again, I never doubted that the size of contributions would be larger for the Republicans. I just said without clarification, they can be misleading. Besides, you have the numbers from one state. I bet in more traditional Blue states that the size of contributions for Democrats are larger than they get in Florida and the Republicans get smaller contributions in those states.
I would like to see an entire country breakdown. There are a lot of Dems in CA, NY, MA, etc. with a lot of money who give big bucks to the Dems. The numbers could still break out the same way, but Florida is just one state with a very different demographic than say the Northeast.
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Re: Presidential Race 2012 -- Did it start Today?
Jul 14, 2009 12:51 PM
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> Those numbers seem pretty low for both parties. I
> find it hard to think that only 2,000 people in
> Florida made contributions to either party. What is
> that a week, a month, a year. What is the source?
>
> Not doubting that the Republicans made significantly
> larger contribution per dollar, but those numbers
> without context can be misleading or confusing.
Are you kidding!
The money was collected from the first half of 2009.
Did you forget? We're in a depression / recession. Florida is one of those states that is excelling in bankruptcies, foreclosures, and unemployment.
And about the repubs large contribution. Did you forget that more of our elites are Republicans? Therefore the depression is not affecting them as much.
They probably profited from it, instead. Somebody received those TARP and stimulus checks. It wasn't me! Doubt those dems who contributed less than 100 bucks, profited, either.
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Re: Presidential Race 2012 -- Did it start Today?
Jul 14, 2009 12:33 PM
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> Check out the political contributions, made in
> Florida, for each party.
>
> Notice the amount donated and the total numbers of
> donors, (including those who donated less than $100
> per donor.)
>
> In each political party.
>
> Florida Democratic Party
> Raised: $1,196,529.89
> 1,251 Online Donors, of which 1,013 were new donors
> to the Florida Democratic Party
> 1740 Donations
> Donations under $100: 1,371
>
> Republican Party Of Florida
> Raised: $1,160,064.0
> 224 Donations
> Donations under $100: 71
>
> Which party has the richest donors? What do those
> big pocket donors want in return?
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> --
> I used to say, "I" and "me"
> Now it's "us", now it's "we."
>
> Michael Jackson, from "Ben"
Those numbers seem pretty low for both parties. I find it hard to think that only 2,000 people in Florida made contributions to either party. What is that a week, a month, a year. What is the source?
Not doubting that the Republicans made significantly larger contribution per dollar, but those numbers without context can be misleading or confusing.
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Re: Presidential Race 2012 -- Did it start Today?
Jul 14, 2009 12:24 PM
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Check out the political contributions, made in Florida, for each party.
Notice the amount donated and the total numbers of donors, (including those who donated less than $100 per donor.)
In each political party.
Florida Democratic Party
Raised: $1,196,529.89
1,251 Online Donors, of which 1,013 were new donors to the Florida Democratic Party
1740 Donations
Donations under $100: 1,371
Republican Party Of Florida
Raised: $1,160,064.0
224 Donations
Donations under $100: 71
Which party has the richest donors? What do those big pocket donors want in return?
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Re: Presidential Race 2012 -- Did it start Today?
Jul 14, 2009 11:50 AM
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Here are some of the issues McCain voted against the Republicans on:
Vote 206: H R 810: This legislation would allow federal funding for research on stem cell lines derived from embryos that would otherwise be destroyed.
Vote 157: S 2611: Would tighten border security and establish guest worker and "path to citizenship" programs
Vote 213: H R 6: Offered tax breaks and incentives in what supporters said was an effort to spur oil and gas companies to provide innovative wasy to reduce the nation's dependence on foreign oil, conserve resources and reduce pollution.
Vote 163: On the Cloture Motion: A Senate cloture vote on the gay marriage amendment failed, effectively killing the amendment.
Looking at these issues, you can see why the Religious Right hated him and he tried to distance himself from Bush. Not saying he isn't conservative, but socially he is a more of a moderate and he does break from the party on some key polarizing issues.
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Re: Presidential Race 2012 -- Did it start Today?
Jul 14, 2009 11:40 AM
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> Rob0729:
>
> > Dems won the last election all about the economy
> and
> > the war. Most Presidental elections are won and
> lost
> > one one or two key issues.
>
> You are wrong there.
>
>
> Rob0729:
>
> >
> > Also, McCain wasn't stupid to run against
> Bush's
> > record. That is one of the few things he did
> right
> > in his campaign.
>
> Wrong again. McCain stood with Bush nearly 100%
> of the time, he was only allowed to desent when his
> vote wasn't needed. In essence, John McCain was
> running against his own record. People saw that and
> nothing he could say mattered after that lie.
>
> Rob0729:
>
> His problem is that he shed his
> > Maverick image that made him popular with
> > Independents and some Democrats and fell in line
> with
> > a lot of the Right Wing's agendas.
>
> You really need to get out more. Over his tenure
> as a U.S. Senator, John McCain was consistantly rated
> one of the most conservative senators. His record as
> a maverick was totally based on his own testimony.
> John McCain, "Well, heh heh, I'm a Maverick you
> u know, heh heh." Totally fictional, and he never
> had any Dem following, other than the Dems who voted
> for him in open primaries to confound Bush Jr.
>
> Rob0729:
>
> Most crushingly
> > selecting Palin as his VP to appease the
> Religious
> > Right. If McCain maintained his Maverick image
> and
> > selected a VP who was more in line with that
> > ideology, he might have had at least a glimmer
> of a
> > chance of making a run at Obama.
>
> "Maverick" isn't an ideology- its only a
> meaningless slogan. McCain is truly a Right Wing
> Conservative and that is what made his lying attempt
> to distance himself from Bush so obviously false.
> Actually, I haven't met a Republican who had a
> a problem with Palin, and seeing as how they were
> stupid enough to vote for Bush Jr. in the first
> place- it isn't too surprising.
>
> Rob0729:
>
> Even Republicans
> > were sick of Bush Jr. when he left office.
> McCain
> > did the right thing distancing himself from him,
> but
> > didn't do much else right in the campaign.
> >
> > Boy you are very judgmental aren't you. [?]
>
> I calls 'em as I sees 'em.
>
> Rob0729:
>
> Clearly in
> > your mind anyone who isn't a fevorent Democratic
> is a
> > Right Winger. Again, I didn't vote for Bush Jr.
> I
> > hated him long before McCain ran for President.
> I
> > voted for Ralph Nader more than I voted for Bush
> Jr.
> > in Bush Jr.'s two elections (I am in a state
> where my
> > vote didn't matter either way and I supported
> the
> > third party like I always do when I don't like
> either
> > candidate). I am sorry that I am a free thinker
> and
> > I don't need to vote for some just because of
> what
> > party he or she belongs to and that pisses you
> off.
> >
>
> A wasted vote for Nader was a vote for Bush.
> . Saying it doesn't matter because of the state you
> live in is a cop out.>
>
>
> Rob0729:
>
> > Again, the last time I voted for a Republican
> was
> > Bush Sr. and it was over Dukakis because I
> hated
> > Dukakis coming from Massachusetts.
>
> If that admission of trivality is supposed to
> impress me, it doesn't.
First, how am I wrong. The economy and the war were the two key issues and what most exit polls said made their decisions on who to vote for. The economy is always a deciding factor where the Independents and moderates in either party vote. Always has been.
As for a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush, it is bullshit unless you are in a state where your vote counts. In Massachusetts where I live a vote for Bush or Nader was a vote to make a statement and not much else since both Gore and Kerry won by a landslide. If my vote meant something, I would have voted differently. And it wouldn't be for Bush.
As for McCain's maverick persona, it is a lot of act, but it was an act much of the country was buying. Independents and moderates would have been more intuned into buying into him if he stuck with that. He does vote against the Republicans on some hot button issues most notably he voted for Federal funding of stem cell research and voted against killing the gay marriage admendment discussions. He typically abstains from voting on issues he disagrees with the Republicans on.
As for maverick being an ideology, I never said that. I said that he embraced the religious right which goes against his persona since he and the Religious Right didn't get a long.
I have friends both Dems and Reps. Many of my Republican friends hate Palin and would never have voted for her. Many of them didn't vote for Bush the second time.
As for my vote for Nader, my vote wouldn't have counted no matter who I voted for and I knew it. It wasn't a vote for Bush. I live in Massachusetts where both Gore and Kerry won by double digit percentage points. If I lived in a battleground state, I wouldn't have voted for Nader nor would I have switched it to Bush. Unfortunately for me, I live in a state with one party (at least for the most part) and I don't get many choices even in the primaries for who I vote for.
Lastly, I have no desire to impress you. I am just trying to counter your accusations of me. You have already labelled me as a closeted Republican with an agenda in your mind. Why would I try to impress you when you want to label me just because I am not 100% pro Democrat and I can actually find some good things to say about the Republicans.
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Re: Presidential Race 2012 -- Did it start Today?
Jul 14, 2009 11:00 AM
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Rob0729:
> Dems won the last election all about the economy and
> the war. Most Presidental elections are won and lost
> one one or two key issues.
You are wrong there.
Rob0729:
>
> Also, McCain wasn't stupid to run against Bush's
> record. That is one of the few things he did right
> in his campaign.
Wrong again. McCain stood with Bush nearly 100% of the time, he was only allowed to desent when his vote wasn't needed. In essence, John McCain was running against his own record. People saw that and nothing he could say mattered after that lie.
Rob0729:
His problem is that he shed his
> Maverick image that made him popular with
> Independents and some Democrats and fell in line with
> a lot of the Right Wing's agendas.
You really need to get out more. Over his tenure as a U.S. Senator, John McCain was consistantly rated one of the most conservative senators. His record as a maverick was totally based on his own testimony. John McCain, "Well, heh heh, I'm a Maverick you know, heh heh." Totally fictional, and he never had any Dem following, other than the Dems who voted for him in open primaries to confound Bush Jr.
Rob0729:
Most crushingly
> selecting Palin as his VP to appease the Religious
> Right. If McCain maintained his Maverick image and
> selected a VP who was more in line with that
> ideology, he might have had at least a glimmer of a
> chance of making a run at Obama.
"Maverick" isn't an ideology- its only a meaningless slogan. McCain is truly a Right Wing Conservative and that is what made his lying attempt to distance himself from Bush so obviously false. Actually, I haven't met a Republican who had a problem with Palin, and seeing as how they were stupid enough to vote for Bush Jr. in the first place- it isn't too surprising.
Rob0729:
Even Republicans
> were sick of Bush Jr. when he left office. McCain
> did the right thing distancing himself from him, but
> didn't do much else right in the campaign.
>
> Boy you are very judgmental aren't you. [?]
I calls 'em as I sees 'em.
Rob0729:
Clearly in
> your mind anyone who isn't a fevorent Democratic is a
> Right Winger. Again, I didn't vote for Bush Jr. I
> hated him long before McCain ran for President. I
> voted for Ralph Nader more than I voted for Bush Jr.
> in Bush Jr.'s two elections (I am in a state where my
> vote didn't matter either way and I supported the
> third party like I always do when I don't like either
> candidate). I am sorry that I am a free thinker and
> I don't need to vote for some just because of what
> party he or she belongs to and that pisses you off.
>
A wasted vote for Nader was a vote for Bush. Saying it doesn't matter because of the state you live in is a cop out.>
Rob0729:
> Again, the last time I voted for a Republican was
> Bush Sr. and it was over Dukakis because I hated
> Dukakis coming from Massachusetts.
If that admission of trivality is supposed to impress me, it doesn't.
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Re: Presidential Race 2012 -- Did it start Today?
Jul 14, 2009 10:07 AM
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> .
> >
> > You really need to brush up on your history
> before
> > you make these claims though. You have the
> history
> > of Whitewater all wrong and seem to want to
> transform
> > the facts to bash the Republicans. Your
> recollection
> > of history and the facts do not seem to match.
> If
> > anything, the Whitewater hearings of 1995 is
> what
> > saved Clinton and helped to make him popular.
> While
> > the Republicans were bogged down with this
> issue,
> > Clinton was able to take credit for a lot of
> their
> > ideas because they were not focused on the
> issues
> > during this time.
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> > Edited by Rob0729 at 07/14/2009 5:51 AM PDT
>
> What a load of nonsense.
>
> Whitewater helped Clinton? That is the stupidest
> thing I've ever read- ever.
>
> Oh, and your imagination is running away with you if
> you believe that any Dem thought Clinton wasn't going
> to be reelected. You have been reading way too much
> RW drivel out of our MSM over the years.
>
> Oh, and you put way too much on the economy in past
> elections. Bush Sr. got beat because more and more
> people became convinced that he was a fraud, a
> sell-out who was not governing effectively. Hell, he
> barely beat Perot. Also, Bill Clinton was an
> effective public speaker who elloquently put the
> Dem's case to the people.
>
> You claim you aren't a Bush Jr. apologist, but I'll
> bet you voted for him.
>
> Now its trendy for Repubs to bash Bush because McCain
> (stupidly) tried to run against Bush's record.
Whitewater hurt the Republicans because they got bogged down with going after Clinton that they lost focus on their agenda which in turn helped Clinton. The focus on Clinton turned a lot of the country against the Republicans. Clinton came out of Whitewater unscathed. It hurt him in the early parts of the investigation, but people were sick of it by the end.
And yes, you are right Bush Sr. bare beat Perot. Bush Sr. only had 19,360,729 more votes than Perot. That was closer than Bush Jr. and Gore. Clinton beat Bush Sr. by 5,805,256 votes. So Clinton beat Bush Sr. by a smaller margin than Bush Sr. beat Perot, but hey, you have never let the facts get in the way of you making a point.
As for the economy, I quoted Bill Clinton's own advisor when I said it is all about the economy. The Dems won the last election all about the economy and the war. Most Presidental elections are won and lost one one or two key issues.
Also, McCain wasn't stupid to run against Bush's record. That is one of the few things he did right in his campaign. His problem is that he shed his Maverick image that made him popular with Independents and some Democrats and fell in line with a lot of the Right Wing's agendas. Most crushingly selecting Palin as his VP to appease the Religious Right. If McCain maintained his Maverick image and selected a VP who was more in line with that ideology, he might have had at least a glimmer of a chance of making a run at Obama. Even Republicans were sick of Bush Jr. when he left office. McCain did the right thing distancing himself from him, but didn't do much else right in the campaign.
Boy you are very judgmental aren't you. Clearly in your mind anyone who isn't a fevorent Democratic is a Right Winger. Again, I didn't vote for Bush Jr. I hated him long before McCain ran for President. I voted for Ralph Nader more than I voted for Bush Jr. in Bush Jr.'s two elections (I am in a state where my vote didn't matter either way and I supported the third party like I always do when I don't like either candidate). I am sorry that I am a free thinker and I don't need to vote for some just because of what party he or she belongs to and that pisses you off.
Again, the last time I voted for a Republican was Bush Sr. and it was over Dukakis because I hated Dukakis coming from Massachusetts. I was too young to vote in any previous elections. Just because you are firmly and passionately a Democrat doesn't mean that everyone in the country are entrenched in either party. Neither party represents my views and there are aspects of both parties I respect and hate. One thing I hate about people in either party is the either you are for us or against us attitude. Partisanship is a huge problem in Washington and both parties are guilty of it.
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