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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 1:05 PM
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>My what a contrast seeing the Biden Family. What a cute little smocked dress the youngest one had on.
>>Very age appropriate.
I agree. The Biden grandchildren were brought out but they just scrambled around and waved as small children should, No mikes, no rehearsed cute little quips. And the dress was more appropriate, Obama's elder child was dressed too old iMO. She's still a baby. I'll say it again, they are so pretty, but I hated the way they were used with the mother giving them nudges and directions on what to say. I think it shows her lack of class IMO
The little smocked dress on the Biden child was adorable as were all the beautiful children.
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 1:02 PM
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> > > Very age appropriate. Curious how those
> kids
> > werent perceived as fighting over a microphone.
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> > Can you even see the difference and see what I
> am
> > criticizing?
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> No. I just see you responding to yourself again,
> Sybil.
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> "If you're gonna survive out here, you've got to know
> where your towel is."
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> Edited by prettywitty at 08/28/2008 8:08 AM PDT
The People, The People, The People!!! Maybe she'd taken a enema.
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 12:52 PM
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Y'all are forgetting one of John Sidney McCain's main qualifications, he's the son of & grandson of an Admiral just as George Walker Bush's main qualification is he's the son of a President & grandson of a Senator. How's that working out?!?!?!
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Who murdered Ray Lemme?? We know why!!!
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 12:43 PM
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So true, Walt. A point I've made here many times.
No other non-indigenous group is labeled with a hyphenated nation of origin before the word American.
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 12:02 PM
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Racism continues to thrive in the United States.
I say that because Barack Obama, for all practical purposes, is universally identified as a Black man. The fact is that he is as much a White man as he is a Black man.
If he were to be called "Mullato" or "Half-breed," that would be considered racist.
The truth is that in a non-racist society (If there ever could be one.), his ancestry would not be germane. He would be Barack Obama.
Isn't John McCain, "John McCain," not "John McCain, White man?"
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 11:42 AM
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Yeah. but almost 85% of the blue collar workers in Michigan have felt pain from housing to jobs. Michiganders want the government to hint to their companies whats next in the global trends. A higher fuel economy standard law could have saved a lot of jobs there.
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 11:28 AM
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> The Media is trying to say Michigan is a battleground
> state now because of one county. Repubs are not liked
> in Michigan. With GB 2 terms Michigan went from well
> off to pack your bags and lets get the hell out of
> here.
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Michigan is very sensitive to economic trends; when times are good and people are buying cars from Detroit, things are well. During downturns, the state is among the first to feel the pinch.
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 11:09 AM
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The Media is trying to say Michigan is a battleground state now because of one county. Repubs are not liked in Michigan. With GB 2 terms Michigan went from well off to pack your bags and lets get the hell out of here.
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 11:08 AM
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> > Very age appropriate. Curious how those kids
> werent perceived as fighting over a microphone.
> Can you even see the difference and see what I am
> criticizing?
No. I just see you responding to yourself again, Sybil.
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 11:01 AM
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> Yeah what IS McCain's experience exactly? who is HE?
> forget Obama who is John McCain what has he
> accomplished???????...
>
> Apart from being a POW, what is McCain's claim to
> fame really that proves he should be president? What
> has he accomplished on his own merit other than
> getting shot down and imprisoned ....
>
> I already know Obama started with nothing and reached
> Havard then the Harvard Law Review, then the state
> senate then the US senate and now the dem.
> presidential candidate ... all this with no contacts
> ..... no access to the boys club ... if this does not
> speak of spine of steel, of SMARTS, of SUCCESS, then
> what does?
>
> If you dont like Obama thats fine... many of us cant
> stand McCain or Bush ..... but you canNOT say you are
> not voting for Obama because he is unfit to be
> president especially when apart from his own worth
> and merit you then compare the credentials of past
> presidents... how does Obama fall short of the
> criteia used in the past? ..
>
> Reagan for example what was his experience? acting in
> C-movies? yet he is hailed as one of the greatest
> presidents? fine but how did Reagan's life prepare
> him any better to be President compared to Obama's?
> ....
>
> just say u dont like Obama and you wont vote for him
> .... afterall isnt that the beauty of the USA? the
> freedom to vote and for who u want and for whatever
> reason you have? ....
>
> GO DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!
You said it all! Also, If I were to run the commercial there would be no voice-over except I approve of this commercial. I would use just a short text: THAT WAS THEN ( showing Bush) THIS IS NOW ( showing McCain) MORE OF THE SAME!
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 10:59 AM
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> > Yes, it is just my opinion, but it is based on
> what
> > is logical.
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> What is "logical" to you may not be to others.
ROFL!
No beachy....what is logical IS logical.
> Again,
> it's only your opinion and logically is not always
> the way things happen.
I agree that people do act illogically sometimes, but that doesn't mean logic is illogical or an opinion, lol.
> Besides I don't agree with
> your logic.
Oh. Hmmmm. So in your world, logic is supporting the opposite of what you support? See how that doesn't LOGICALLY make sense?
And you can't really disagree with logic. But feel free to continue to reject it!
Again, beachy....don't misunderstand. I am simply saying that logic dictates that most people, in general, do not choose a candidate that is the opposite of what they support.
John McCain thinks women are not worth as much as men, clearly evidenced by his consistently voting against a woman's right to equal pay for equal work...most recently THIS YEAR. I think logically, most women will not ignore that fact as easily as you do.
Most women are pro-choice, and we are talking about Hillary supporters....I'm sure virtually all of them are pro-choice. John McCain has pledged to make it his mission to get Roe overturned....and he is uniquely situated to accomplish that, as it will only take ONE appointment and Justice Stevens is 88. I think logically, those women are not willing to sacrifice their right to choose because they're bitter or because they get some vague, undefined "bad vibe" from Barack.
John McCain voted against the Violence Against Women Act that Biden wrote (it passed, despite McCain's no vote). I guess McCain doesn't think domestic violence is that big of a deal, lol. i think logically, most women will not like that.
Those are just 3 issues important to women, and doesn't even take into account healthcare, this piss poor economy, McCain's war-mongering posture, McCain's marriage to big oil.....and ALL of that is the OPPOSITE of everything Hillary champions. LOGIC tells me that most Hillary supporters believe in her policies....otherwise they would not support her. So therefore...LOGICALLY, they will most likely not vote for the opposite of the policies they support.
Now I agree that logic does not always prevail. That remains to be seen. I was just stating what is more likely to happen, based on history and logic.
>The convention
> hasn't produced a bump either.
It's still going on, lol.
> I think there are AT
> LEAST 20% of Hillary supporters who won't back > Obama.
> AND the republicans haven't even had their convention
> yet or we haven't seen the debates either. Obama
> doesn't do well debating. He needs his teleprompter.
> He is also doing poorlywith the lunchbucket blue
> collar workers in the important states of Ohio and
> PA.
Obama is comfortably ahead in PA, and always has been. Obama's lead here fluctuates between +5 and +9 consistently. He should be winning here and he is.
McCain is winning in Ohio....+1.
> Add ot all up. It equals trouble.
Oh I'm not one of those people that thinks Barack is a lock to win. I just don't think that if he loses it will be because of a minority of Hillary voters voting against their interests.
> Or so you say. Most people? Where are your stats on
> that?
You're kidding, right?
> People will vote for the BEST candidate for
> whatever reasons they believe to betrue.
And LOGICALLY, most people think the best candidate is the one who supports what they support, not the one that supports the OPPOSITE of what they support.
Again...I am not saying people do not reject logic and act illogically and vote against their interests. Rove got hicks to vote against all of their interests and vote for Bush by scaring them with the thought of gay marriage, lol. There is no logic in that, but it happened!
I'd like to think Hillary voters that are that die-hard about her, are also a bit more informed than that, and Rove's protege's fear-mongering won't work on them. We shall see. They sure are trying....and some are falling for it...."afraid" of Barack, lol. Like I said, I am hoping that number is very small.
> There are
> many many independents and undecideds who haven't yet
> made up their minds.
Undecided is @ 10%, including undecided independents.
If they split those, like they are splitting independents, it won't matter.
Let's face it....if Barack loses it will be because he's black. That does not mean and I am not saying that everyone who votes for someone other than Obama is racist, before you falsely accuse me of playing the race card, as I so often see on these boards. It just means that those that are will not be voting for Obama. 17% of the country thinks America is not ready for a black president. I think it's safe to say those 17% will not be voting for Obama, lol. It will not be easy for him to win when he is starting out -17. The fact that he is even or up in most polls is amazing in itself, considering he starts 17 points behind. I would feel better if he were up more though, because of the Bradley effect. But we shall see!
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Aug 28, 2008 10:48 AM
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> A hurricane is gaining strength in the Caribbean and
> scheduled to hit somewhere (New Orleans?) on Monday
> night...the anniversary of Katrina and when the REPs
> (Dick Cheney) take stage in St. Paul. It is being
> called Gustav, but I am calling it George.
Let's just skip a few letters in the alphabet and call it 'IRONY'
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 10:42 AM
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> John McCain's only argument seems to be the
> experience factor while his resume is totally
> lacking. He talks about experience; well, everyone
> experience something all the time; the question is
> what is McCain's experience that would qualify him to
> be president. Is it just because he is old therefore
> had more time to have more experience? For me,
> experience is most valuable when you learn from it.
> I think Barack Obama's experience is better because
> se Barack Obama is modern while John McCain has an
> ancient prospective. Barack Obama is 21st Century
> while John McCain is stuck in the 20th century.
> Barak Obama ran a superb campaign while John McCain
> n couldn't answer a simple yes or no question: men
> can get Viagra on Medicare, don't you think that
> women should be able get birth control pill on
> Medicare? It seemed to me that because he did not
> consult or rehearse with his mentor's, he went into
> excruciating pain for a pretty long time for such a
> simple question, kind of like President Bush being
> told about 911; talk about more of the same! His
> final answer was I'll have to check on that, meaning
> someone has to tell him what to say. If I were
> running Barack Obama's campaign, I would make a
> commercial with Bush and McCain doing exactly the
> same thing and run it everyday. It?s mind blowing
> for me to see people that rather have a dud for
> president then a prince.
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> PEACE & LOVE
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> Edited by 32fyauthor at 08/28/2008 6:19 AM PDT
Yeah what IS McCain's experience exactly? who is HE? forget Obama who is John McCain what has he accomplished???????...
Apart from being a POW, what is McCain's claim to fame really that proves he should be president? What has he accomplished on his own merit other than getting shot down and imprisoned ....
I already know Obama started with nothing and reached Havard then the Harvard Law Review, then the state senate then the US senate and now the dem. presidential candidate ... all this with no contacts ..... no access to the boys club ... if this does not speak of spine of steel, of SMARTS, of SUCCESS, then what does?
If you dont like Obama thats fine... many of us cant stand McCain or Bush ..... but you canNOT say you are not voting for Obama because he is unfit to be president especially when apart from his own worth and merit you then compare the credentials of past presidents... how does Obama fall short of the criteia used in the past? ..
Reagan for example what was his experience? acting in C-movies? yet he is hailed as one of the greatest presidents? fine but how did Reagan's life prepare him any better to be President compared to Obama's? ....
How did Hillary's or Bill's lives leading up to Presidency and first lady prepare them any better than Obama's, for Presidency? Bill was Governor maybe? but then so was Bush and look what happened there.... Bill is a Rhodes Scholar? well Obama was Harvard Law Review? and Hillary was neither....
just say u dont like Obama and you wont vote for him .... afterall isnt that the beauty of the USA? the freedom to vote and for who u want and for whatever reason you have? ....
GO DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!
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Aug 28, 2008 10:22 AM
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> A hurricane is gaining strength in the Caribbean and
> scheduled to hit somewhere (New Orleans?) on Monday
> night...the anniversary of Katrina and when the REPs
> (Dick Cheney) take stage in St. Paul. It is being
> called Gustav, but I am calling it George.
There are three more coming right behind it too.
This is supposed to be a really strong one.
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Aug 28, 2008 10:16 AM
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A hurricane is gaining strength in the Caribbean and scheduled to hit somewhere (New Orleans?) on Monday night...the anniversary of Katrina and when the REPs (Dick Cheney) take stage in St. Paul. It is being called Gustav, but I am calling it George.
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