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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 9:49 AM
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I have a question for the future presidential candidates. Concerning Afghanistan. As we now move more troops into Afghanistan, and the Taliban is stronger, how will we control the American Troops?
When we are just beginning to go into the parts of Afghanistan, with troops, that still live the same as they lived 500 years ago; where 85percent of the world's poppy /heroine supply comes from;and they've never seen a light bulb. My friends are dealing with their kids and hukka pipes. That has trickled over from the culture. What are we in for and how will we control our troops from the temptation to use, sell and enjoy the opium and heroine? What controls are in place? This could have the opposite effect. It could open trade even more once we open the roads to of the world to their doors. Their Government is corrupt. Pakistan is out of control and harboring terrorists. Troops continuing in that part of the world will just result in more killing and more destruction of our own culture and youth. What will either of the candidates do to curb the side effects of what it will do to our own culture.?
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 9:15 AM
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John McCain's only argument seems to be the experience factor while his resume is totally lacking. He talks about experience; well, everyone experience something all the time; the question is what is McCain's experience that would qualify him to be president. Is it just because he is old therefore had more time to have more experience? For me, experience is most valuable when you learn from it. I think Barack Obama's experience is better because Barack Obama is modern while John McCain has an ancient prospective. Barack Obama is 21st Century while John McCain is stuck in the 20th century. Barak Obama ran a superb campaign while John McCain couldn't answer a simple yes or no question: men can get Viagra on Medicare, don't you think that women should be able get birth control pill on Medicare? It seemed to me that because he did not consult or rehearse with his mentor's, he went into excruciating pain for a pretty long time for such a simple question, kind of like President Bush being told about 911; talk about more of the same! His final answer was I'll have to check on that, meaning someone has to tell him what to say. If I were running Barack Obama's campaign, I would make a commercial with Bush and McCain doing exactly the same thing and run it everyday. It?s mind blowing for me to see people that rather have a dud for president then a prince.
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Re: The Race for President
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> > > > > > IF you notice - she said it
> twice
> > once
> > > at
> > > > the
> > > > > wrong
> > > > > > time, then she repeated it
> loudly
> > when
> > > she
> > > > was
> > > > > > nudged.... so she had to do
> it
> > > over....She
> > > > > stumbled
> > > > > > over what she was supposed
> to
> > say.....
> > > it
> > > > was
> > > > > > rehearsed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OMG you are obsessed and
> > threatened by
> > > two
> > > > > little
> > > > > > girls. You get scarier by
> every
> > caddy
> > > > post.
> > > > > I just lose respect even more for
> a
> > woman
> > > who
> > > > whores
> > > > > out her little girls. I'm not
> > obsessed
> > > and
> > > > > threatened by two little girls.
> What
> > do
> > > they
> > > > have to
> > > > > do my my everyday life I'm
> discussing
> > the
> > > > judgement
> > > > > and poor judgement, irresponsible
> way
> > > Michelle
> > > > Obama
> > > > > whored out her two minor aged
> > children,
> > > > > who had no decision in the
> matter, and
> > are
> > > not
> > > > of the
> > > > > age of accountability, to get
> > attention
> > > for
> > > > herself
> > > > > and it was all about her. Obama
> got
> > no
> > > notice.
> > > > SHe
> > > > > upstaged him, then she used
> herminor
> > aged
> > > > children to
> > > > > upstage him. She exploited them.
> I
> > > personally
> > > > > believe he tried to ignore them,
> thats
> > when
> > > the
> > > > > bigger one walked over to the
> stage
> > and
> > > started
> > > > > talking to his face to get his
> > attention.
> > > He
> > > > was
> > > > > obviously embarrassed and trying
> to
> > play
> > > it
> > > > down
> > > > > while Michelle Obama was pushing
> the
> > > microphone
> > > > in
> > > > > the little one's hands then she
> said
> > her
> > > lines
> > > > and
> > > > > the microphone didnt pick them up
> then
> > she
> > > > positioned
> > > > > the microphone so the kids voice
> could
> > be
> > > heard
> > > > and
> > > > > nudgeed her to repeat her lines.
> IT
> > was
> > > > obvious.
> > > > > Michelle OBama is a bad mother
> -she
> > takes
> > > her
> > > > kids
> > > > > out of their beds to put them on
> > display at
> > > the
> > > > DNC
> > > > > past their bedtime, drags them
> around
> > the
> > > > country on
> > > > > airplanes to exploit them and
> whore
> > them
> > > out
> > > > for
> > > > > attention. Clearly that is the
> kind
> > of
> > > mother
> > > > she
> > > > > is.
> > > > > Clearly - she isnt a very good
> mother
> > and
> > > she
> > > > has no
> > > > > maternal instincts or she would
> be
> > more
> > > > protective of
> > > > > her young. No common sense in
> that
> > area.
> > >
> > > NONE OF YOU OBAMA MAMA FANS ever answered
> my
> > question
> > > on her resume. Did she ever take the bar?
>
> > > Did she pass the bar? How much money has
> she
> > made in
> > > her life? What are her debts? Is she
> still
> > paying
> > > off those education loans? What kind of
> > public
> > > assistance has she received in her entire
> life?
> >
> > > We have to know how much money Cindy McCain
> has
> >
> > > We need to know how much money Obama Mama
> > Michelle
> > > Obama has acquired from the Federal
> Government.
> > Has
> > > she paid back her loans? What does she
> own?
> > What
> > > has she done career wise?
> > > DId she go to college and get a law degree?
> If
> > so
> > > Did she ever pass the bar and practice law
> or
> > did she
> > >
> > > fail to pass the bar so had to do something
> in
> > civil
> > > service? Come on give me some facts. I
> gave
> > you an
> > > entire reference to read on Cindy McCains
> > > accomplishments. All you threw back was
> that
> > she was
> > > a meth addict, then it was cocaine addict,
> then
> > > someone brought up Obamas past and all was
> > forgotten
> > > where drugs are concerned. Lets pit her
> > against
> > > McCains Wife in accomplishments. Cindy
> McCain
> > runs a
> > > large company and owns a base ball team
> and
> > > additionally has a very long list of
> actual
> > business
> > > accomplishments and the money to prove it
> along
> > with
> > > wealth. Her Wealth. She didnt marry into
> it.
> > > . What has Michelle OBama done besides
> > ignorantly
> > > pimp out her babies and exploit them
>
> My what a contrast seeing the Biden Family. What a
> cute little smocked dress the youngest one had on.
> Very age appropriate. Curious how those kids werent perceived as fighting over a microphone.
Can you even see the difference and see what I am criticizing? I'm just saying that Michelle Obama needs to take advice and listen to people when they try to help her. Instead of bullying ahead and making a fool of herself. Perhaps she is smart enough to get the message now. When in Rome do as the Romans do.
She's trying to blend in with us white bread middle class folk. We dont want the Whitehouse lawn dug up and all dirt because she cant afford a lawn mower.
A White Bread Middle Class solution would be to offer to borrow our neighbors lawn more and cut their yard and ours. Different thinking. Martin Luther King wasnt talking about celebrating the differences and overpowering he was talking about blending and conforming. You still don't get it. It doesnt matter what color you are. If you want to move into a higher level on the scale of society, you have to fit in and
modify your behavior to accomplish what you want to achieve. When in Rome, When in Japan, When in Egypt you don't try to change their culture you blend and modify and adapt to have the situation run smoothly. Politicans and their wives in particular have to be camelions.
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 8:10 AM
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> > I'm guessing many of you saw this interview
> based on
> > all of the carter love tonight but I dug this
> man
> > since he was the first pesident in my life. I
> grew up
> > learning how reagan sold our country out.
> >
> > I believed that Carter was unjustly defeated
> and
> > attacked. He was easily more capable than many
> > indicate.
> >
> > His points are very profound based on our time
> in
> > history today.
> >
> ------------------------------------
> Carter lost the 1980 election mostly due to his
> honesty. The man didn't lie, but told the public the
> unpopular truth.
> In response, Reagan lied. About everything. He was
> going to balance the budget- but intended to run
> record deficits. Reagan would never negotiate with
> terrorists, but his empty brag was broken even before
> his election.
> To make sure that Carter would be defeated, Reagan
> surrogates met with the Iranians and made certain
> promises if the Iranians would stop the coming
> release of the hostages and hold them until after
> Carter was out of office.
> The Iranians kept their part of the bargain, and did
> not release our hostages until Reagan's inauguration
> day. Reagan then released the Iranian assets as
> promised, and the Reagan admiinistration barred any
> civil legal action against Iran by the hostages.
> Is it any wonder then, that after that show of
> cowardice, criminality and greed, that Iranian backed
> terrorists took hostages over and over again? After
> all, Reagan had shown that he was a coward and would
> pay ransom- no matter what he said.
> But, it didn't matter. The voters prefered the liar
> to the truth teller.
> The question: Does America deserve leaders like
> Carter and Obama?
>
> --
> "Barack Obama has the judgment, he has the intellect,
> which no one doubts, and I guarantee you he has the
> steel in his spine to lead this country of ours out
> of the deep hole we have dug ourselves into."
Carter lost the election because he is an unsophisticated man who is a poor orator and was even worse as president. He's done more since he's been out of office than in office. No one is putting him in the history book for anything than peanuts.
REAGAN WON that election and is often referred to and imitated by both democrats and republicans; and quoted ,because he will go down in history as one of the greatest communicators in history. I don't personally like Reagan, but facts are facts, (historically). Personally, he screwed up my dad's railroad retirement and my family's air traffic controller jobs. But I still respect him for what he was respected for and what he will be historically acclaimed for.
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 6:15 AM
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> I'm guessing many of you saw this interview based on
> all of the carter love tonight but I dug this man
> since he was the first pesident in my life. I grew up
> learning how reagan sold our country out.
>
> I believed that Carter was unjustly defeated and
> attacked. He was easily more capable than many
> indicate.
>
> His points are very profound based on our time in
> history today.
>
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Carter lost the 1980 election mostly due to his honesty. The man didn't lie, but told the public the unpopular truth.
In response, Reagan lied. About everything. He was going to balance the budget- but intended to run record deficits. Reagan would never negotiate with terrorists, but his empty brag was broken even before his election.
To make sure that Carter would be defeated, Reagan surrogates met with the Iranians and made certain promises if the Iranians would stop the coming release of the hostages and hold them until after Carter was out of office.
The Iranians kept their part of the bargain, and did not release our hostages until Reagan's inauguration day. Reagan then released the Iranian assets as promised, and the Reagan admiinistration barred any civil legal action against Iran by the hostages.
Is it any wonder then, that after that show of cowardice, criminality and greed, that Iranian backed terrorists took hostages over and over again? After all, Reagan had shown that he was a coward and would pay ransom- no matter what he said.
But, it didn't matter. The voters prefered the liar to the truth teller.
The question: Does America deserve leaders like Carter and Obama?
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"Barack Obama has the judgment, he has the intellect, which no one doubts, and I guarantee you he has the steel in his spine to lead this country of ours out of the deep hole we have dug ourselves into."
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 6:11 AM
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> > > > > IF you notice - she said it twice
> once
> > at
> > > the
> > > > wrong
> > > > > time, then she repeated it loudly
> when
> > she
> > > was
> > > > > nudged.... so she had to do it
> > over....She
> > > > stumbled
> > > > > over what she was supposed to
> say.....
> > it
> > > was
> > > > > rehearsed.
> > > > >
> > > > > OMG you are obsessed and
> threatened by
> > two
> > > > little
> > > > > girls. You get scarier by every
> caddy
> > > post.
> > > > I just lose respect even more for a
> woman
> > who
> > > whores
> > > > out her little girls. I'm not
> obsessed
> > and
> > > > threatened by two little girls. What
> do
> > they
> > > have to
> > > > do my my everyday life I'm discussing
> the
> > > judgement
> > > > and poor judgement, irresponsible way
> > Michelle
> > > Obama
> > > > whored out her two minor aged
> children,
> > > > who had no decision in the matter, and
> are
> > not
> > > of the
> > > > age of accountability, to get
> attention
> > for
> > > herself
> > > > and it was all about her. Obama got
> no
> > notice.
> > > SHe
> > > > upstaged him, then she used herminor
> aged
> > > children to
> > > > upstage him. She exploited them. I
> > personally
> > > > believe he tried to ignore them, thats
> when
> > the
> > > > bigger one walked over to the stage
> and
> > started
> > > > talking to his face to get his
> attention.
> > He
> > > was
> > > > obviously embarrassed and trying to
> play
> > it
> > > down
> > > > while Michelle Obama was pushing the
> > microphone
> > > in
> > > > the little one's hands then she said
> her
> > lines
> > > and
> > > > the microphone didnt pick them up then
> she
> > > positioned
> > > > the microphone so the kids voice could
> be
> > heard
> > > and
> > > > nudgeed her to repeat her lines. IT
> was
> > > obvious.
> > > > Michelle OBama is a bad mother -she
> takes
> > her
> > > kids
> > > > out of their beds to put them on
> display at
> > the
> > > DNC
> > > > past their bedtime, drags them around
> the
> > > country on
> > > > airplanes to exploit them and whore
> them
> > out
> > > for
> > > > attention. Clearly that is the kind
> of
> > mother
> > > she
> > > > is.
> > > > Clearly - she isnt a very good mother
> and
> > she
> > > has no
> > > > maternal instincts or she would be
> more
> > > protective of
> > > > her young. No common sense in that
> area.
> >
> > NONE OF YOU OBAMA MAMA FANS ever answered my
> question
> > on her resume. Did she ever take the bar?
> > Did she pass the bar? How much money has she
> made in
> > her life? What are her debts? Is she still
> paying
> > off those education loans? What kind of
> public
> > assistance has she received in her entire life?
>
> > We have to know how much money Cindy McCain has
>
> > We need to know how much money Obama Mama
> Michelle
> > Obama has acquired from the Federal Government.
> Has
> > she paid back her loans? What does she own?
> What
> > has she done career wise?
> > DId she go to college and get a law degree? If
> so
> > Did she ever pass the bar and practice law or
> did she
> >
> > fail to pass the bar so had to do something in
> civil
> > service? Come on give me some facts. I gave
> you an
> > entire reference to read on Cindy McCains
> > accomplishments. All you threw back was that
> she was
> > a meth addict, then it was cocaine addict, then
> > someone brought up Obamas past and all was
> forgotten
> > where drugs are concerned. Lets pit her
> against
> > McCains Wife in accomplishments. Cindy McCain
> runs a
> > large company and owns a base ball team and
> > additionally has a very long list of actual
> business
> > accomplishments and the money to prove it along
> with
> > wealth. Her Wealth. She didnt marry into it.
> > . What has Michelle OBama done besides
> ignorantly
> > pimp out her babies and exploit them
My what a contrast seeing the Biden Family. What a cute little smocked dress the youngest one had on.
Very age appropriate.
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 6:06 AM
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> > > > bart,
> > > >
> > > > I bet Chris Matthews is feeling that
> > tingly
> > > thing
> > > > down his leg again...
> > >
> > > A blood clot?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > beans,
> >
> > I think he's an excitable boy...
>
> I enjoy Chris a lot. He is a solid, thoughtful pundit
> but also a man ready to mix it up in the heat of a
> political flurry. I liked him and Olbermann outside
> the pepsi center the past few days.
>
> I tend to prefer MSNBC. Their whole staff is much
> more complex and interesting than CNN's. Andria
> Mitchel, Chuck Todd, Chriss Mathews, Dan Abrahms,
> even Joe Scarbrough and Pat Buchanan are all class
> acts for Political reporting and punditry. I just
> like their mix.
>
> I am not saying that I follow any of them lock step
> or expect complete coverage from MSNBC alone but I am
> most comfortable with their brand of cable news
> political reporting.
>
> However; for the conventions I prefer to watch them
> in HD on the Demconvention.com website and save the
> commentary for later.
>
> Please don't talk over speeches. Hell, the Republican
> representative from Iowa, Leach; was talked over by
> most of the delegates in the convention but he had
> great things to say none the less.
>
> This is my superbowl, world series and sweeps week
> all wrapped up into one.
>
> I am just waiting for the season finale in Nov to
> give us the next big cliffhanger, what will come
> next. It boggles the imagination.
>
> No fiction is stranger than reality.
And this has what to do with the race for president?
Let's talk about First ladies....
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 6:05 AM
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> sweet dreams, S2Grand...
Since this board turned into a "CHAT ROOM" instead of fact based intellectual postings and it is a place to get attacked personally when you state your opinion, or observation
RAINEYDAY
you may want to check into one of those laser premanant hair removal centers. They are popping up everywhere in Florida. Teeth Whitening Salons also. Who shaves any more? In whitebread
middle class life - we get hair removed permanantly prior to that we ???? WAXED????!!!!
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Aug 28, 2008 3:32 AM
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I'm guessing many of you saw this interview based on all of the carter love tonight but I dug this man since he was the first pesident in my life. I grew up learning how reagan sold our country out.
I believed that Carter was unjustly defeated and attacked. He was easily more capable than many indicate.
His points are very profound based on our time in history today.
Jimmy Carter on an Obama Presidency & Racism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYQFNAD5PWo
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 2:47 AM
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> > > bart,
> > >
> > > I bet Chris Matthews is feeling that
> tingly
> > thing
> > > down his leg again...
> >
> > A blood clot?
> >
> >
>
> beans,
>
> I think he's an excitable boy...
I enjoy Chris a lot. He is a solid, thoughtful pundit but also a man ready to mix it up in the heat of a political flurry. I liked him and Olbermann outside the pepsi center the past few days.
I tend to prefer MSNBC. Their whole staff is much more complex and interesting than CNN's. Andria Mitchel, Chuck Todd, Chriss Mathews, Dan Abrahms, even Joe Scarbrough and Pat Buchanan are all class acts for Political reporting and punditry. I just like their mix.
I am not saying that I follow any of them lock step or expect complete coverage from MSNBC alone but I am most comfortable with their brand of cable news political reporting.
However; for the conventions I prefer to watch them in HD on the Demconvention.com website and save the commentary for later.
Please don't talk over speeches. Hell, the Republican representative from Iowa, Leach; was talked over by most of the delegates in the convention but he had great things to say none the less.
This is my superbowl, world series and sweeps week all wrapped up into one.
I am just waiting for the season finale in Nov to give us the next big cliffhanger, what will come next. It boggles the imagination.
No fiction is stranger than reality.
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 1:26 AM
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sweet dreams, S2Grand...
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Aug 28, 2008 1:24 AM
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Jimmy's been my fav prez so far
I think he's brilliant, decent to the bone, has such an incredible list of life achievements.
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Aug 28, 2008 1:21 AM
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Rainy,
Probably, I only got to shake his hand & ask for autograph, he said Secret Service wouldn't let him stop. Whereas John Sidney McCain was 4th from bottom of his Annapolis class Jimmy was fourth from top. (As info, Robert E. Lee was second at West point & later Commandant of it). Jimmy had also gone to Georgia Tech. & brother Billy to Emory. Billy wasn't quite the buffoon he appeared to be, admission to Emory wasn't easy then (or now) & of course Ga. Tech also. My female cousin is a Helluva an Engineer & a very pretty one too, now an accountant, salutatorian of her H.S. class. I admire Jimmy also for his work with Habitat for Humanity & his work for world peace.
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"We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home." - Edward R. Murrow
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own fact" - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
The first casualty when war comes is the truth. - Senator Hiram Johnson in 1917
Who murdered Ray Lemme?? We know why!!!
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Aug 28, 2008 1:13 AM
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There's one thing I'm so curious about but can't find online...someone must be keeping track of how many dems and reps are registering...and the totals to date of registered voters in each group...nationwide.
Anyone know that?
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 28, 2008 1:03 AM
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2008 Democratic National Convention
Emotional reaction to Clinton move
By Kimberly S. Johnson and Anne C. Mulkern
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 08/27/2008 09:44:08 PM MDT
The floor of the Pepsi Center erupted in cheers and several delegates wept as Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton stopped the roll call and moved that Barack Obama become the Democratic nominee by acclamation.
Moe Spencer was clearly overcome with emotion, tears welling up in his eyes just minutes after Sen. Hillary Clinton moved that the roll call end and Barack Obama - by acclamation - become the Democratic nominee.
"I needed to hear Hillary say that Obama is the nominee," said Spencer, after tightly hugging friends around him. "I think this is resolved with everyone in this building."
Evie Hudak, a Westminster resident and Obama supporter said the moment was "unbelievable."
"I've never felt like that before," she said among the
throngs of people creeping along the crowded floor.
Sara Garcia, 60, of California had tears streamed down her face.
"Only a woman like Hillary Rodham Clinton could bring unity to this party," said "Nobody else. She's a class act. I'd proud of her. It took somebody with class who cares about this country to pull it together."
Nearby, David Gilbert-Pederson, 17, of Minnesota, wept for a different reason.
"As a young person of color, it means the world to me to have an African-American accept this nomination," Gilbert-Pederson said. "It really does mean that anything is possible."
Gilbert-Pederson is the youngest of all 4,000 delegates.
New York delegate Donna Stempniak cast her vote on the first ballot for Clinton. "I feel committed to support her because I ran as a delegate for Hillary in my district," said Stempniak, 56, of Lancaster, New York, a Buffalo- suburb.
But Stempniak wept after Clinton gave her delegates to Obama.
"It was very emotional, knowing that we're not going to have a woman president,"she said. "But we will have a minority president and that's exciting."
Allowing New York to put Clinton's final number of delegates on record, will heal divisions, several members of Congress said.
"If the New York delegation, the most pro-Hillary delegation, can vote unanimously for Barack Obama, it shows how unified we are," said Sen. Chuck Schumer, the senior New York senator.
Sen. Dick Durbin, perhaps Obama's closest ally in the Senate, said that Clinton "has done a lot to heal divisions of this Party," and that with the exception of a few, Clinton delegates would support Obama in November.
here's the video of Hillary today acclimating Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h4TqxUkA0I
So Classy!
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