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As America hurtles toward the next presidential race, the HBO film 'Recount' will relive the fervor of 2000's messy election. Kevin Spacey and Denis Leary take Al Gore's fight to the courts on May 25 - make your own case on the boards, where the most cogent arguments will be featured in a special poll on HBO.com. And don't worry - this time all the votes will be counted. The question: Do you believe the Supreme Court's handling of Gore v. Bush was partisan? http://boards.hbo.com/topic/Hbo-Official-Threads/Believe-Supreme-Courts/1900006032
Who will win their parties nomination?
Who will be the next president?
Who would you like to see in the race but isn?t? Mike Bloomberg, Al Gore, Dick Cheney?
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Re: The Race for President
May 8, 2008 10:38 PM
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Battle of the Hawks
By Robert Scheer
May 6, 2008
excerpt from article:
In the increasingly unlikely event of a McCain-Clinton
election, folks who care about the peace issue would
have serious reason to worry. Both of these
candidates are inveterate hawks, and what we would
be up against is a choice between the
neoconservatives and the neoliberals as to who
could be more adventurous in getting us into
unjustifiable foreign wars.
Both not only voted to authorize President Bush?s
irrational invasion of Iraq but also have failed to
apply those lessons to the real challenges we
face, particularly concerning Iran. On the one
hand, we have Sen. John McCain?s wildly inane
?bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran? singing
refrain, and on the other, Sen. Hillary Clinton?s
commitment to ?totally obliterate? Iran in response
to any nuclear attack by Tehran on Israel.
rest of article at:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080506_robert_scheer_may_7_here_come_the_hawks/
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She was for the war before she was against the war.
(There's no naive in politics!)
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Re: The Race for President
May 4, 2008 11:00 PM
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> When are the candidates going to talk about the
> things that used to make America great... Innovation,
> exploration, technology.....SCIENCE!!!!!!
>
> We need to see the candidates debate science/ tech
> issues- these are the things that actually define our
> culture!
>
> Make "Science Debate 2008" happen!!!!
>
> (google it if you don't know what I'm talking about)
hi Emilysueneu,
Your post reminded me of this op-ed from the NY Times
Op-Ed Columnist
Who Will Tell the People?
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: May 4, 2008
Traveling the country these past five months while writing a book, I?ve had my own opportunity to take the pulse, far from the campaign crowds. My own totally unscientific polling has left me feeling that if there is one overwhelming hunger in our country today it?s this: People want to do nation-building. They really do. But they want to do nation-building in America.
They are not only tired of nation-building in Iraq and in Afghanistan, with so little to show for it. They sense something deeper ? that we?re just not that strong anymore. We?re borrowing money to shore up our banks from city-states called Dubai and Singapore. Our generals regularly tell us that Iran is subverting our efforts in Iraq, but they do nothing about it because we have no leverage ? as long as our forces are pinned down in Baghdad and our economy is pinned to Middle East oil.
Our president?s latest energy initiative was to go to Saudi Arabia and beg King Abdullah to give us a little relief on gasoline prices. I guess there was some justice in that. When you, the president, after 9/11, tell the country to go shopping instead of buckling down to break our addiction to oil, it ends with you, the president, shopping the world for discount gasoline.
We are not as powerful as we used to be because over the past three decades, the Asian values of our parents? generation ? work hard, study, save, invest, live within your means ? have given way to subprime values: ?You can have the American dream ? a house ? with no money down and no payments for two years.?
That?s why Donald Rumsfeld?s infamous defense of why he did not originally send more troops to Iraq is the mantra of our times: ?You go to war with the army you have.? Hey, you march into the future with the country you have ? not the one that you need, not the one you want, not the best you could have.
A few weeks ago, my wife and I flew from New York?s Kennedy Airport to Singapore. In J.F.K.?s waiting lounge we could barely find a place to sit. Eighteen hours later, we landed at Singapore?s ultramodern airport, with free Internet portals and children?s play zones throughout. We felt, as we have before, like we had just flown from the Flintstones to the Jetsons. If all Americans could compare Berlin?s luxurious central train station today with the grimy, decrepit Penn Station in New York City, they would swear we were the ones who lost World War II.
How could this be? We are a great power. How could we be borrowing money from Singapore? Maybe it?s because Singapore is investing billions of dollars, from its own savings, into infrastructure and scientific research to attract the world?s best talent ? including Americans.
And us? Harvard?s president, Drew Faust, just told a Senate hearing that cutbacks in government research funds were resulting in ?downsized labs, layoffs of post docs, slipping morale and more conservative science that shies away from the big research questions.? Today, she added, ?China, India, Singapore ... have adopted biomedical research and the building of biotechnology clusters as national goals. Suddenly, those who train in America have significant options elsewhere.?
Much nonsense has been written about how Hillary Clinton is ?toughening up? Barack Obama so he?ll be tough enough to withstand Republican attacks. Sorry, we don?t need a president who is tough enough to withstand the lies of his opponents. We need a president who is tough enough to tell the truth to the American people. Any one of the candidates can answer the Red Phone at 3 a.m. in the White House bedroom. I?m voting for the one who can talk straight to the American people on national TV ? at 8 p.m. ? from the White House East Room.
Who will tell the people? We are not who we think we are. We are living on borrowed time and borrowed dimes. We still have all the potential for greatness, but only if we get back to work on our country.
I don?t know if Barack Obama can lead that, but the notion that the idealism he has inspired in so many young people doesn?t matter is dead wrong. ?Of course, hope alone is not enough,? says Tim Shriver, chairman of Special Olympics, ?but it?s not trivial. It?s not trivial to inspire people to want to get up and do something with someone else.?
It is especially not trivial now, because millions of Americans are dying to be enlisted ? enlisted to fix education, enlisted to research renewable energy, enlisted to repair our infrastructure, enlisted to help others. Look at the kids lining up to join Teach for America. They want our country to matter again. They want it to be about building wealth and dignity ? big profits and big purposes. When we just do one, we are less than the sum of our parts. When we do both, said Shriver, ?no one can touch us.?
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Re: The Race for President
May 4, 2008 10:58 PM
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> > Jim Earl,
> >
> > Usenet ya say? I've heard people mention that
> and
> > always wondered what is it? Do you have to
> download
> > something onto your puter to use it? is it like
> yahoo
> > discussion groups? If you have a minute could
> you
> > give me a little nutshell lesson?
>
> Sorry for belated reply Rainy.
>
> Go to google's site and look up groups like:
>
> alt.politics.usa
> talk.politics.misc
> alt.politics.republicans
> alt.politics.greens
> alt.politics.liberalism
> alt.politics.usa.republican
> alt.politics.democrats
>
> They aren't moderated so anything goes.
>
> You can just use windows explorer or, if you
> download binaries such as bootleg software,
> music mp3s or video you can use freeware
> like Xnews. (forget outlook express for this.
> Aka "outleak express".)
>
> http://xnews.newsguy.com/
>
> --
> She was for the war before she was against the war.
> (There's no naive in politics!)
>
> --
> Edited by JimEarl at 04/30/2008 6:47 PM PDT
Hi JimEarl,
Sorry for belatedness as well, I talk so much I forget where all I've been...lol
OK, will check them out and see of other women are around so I don't have that Martian feeling.
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Re: The Race for President
May 2, 2008 2:08 PM
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Hey, yeah! Protracted warfare usually brings a technology boom in it's wake, doesn't it? I hear there are loads of new hi-tech spy toys for kids, wonder what that indicates...
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Re: The Race for President
Apr 30, 2008 8:48 PM
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When are the candidates going to talk about the things that used to make America great... Innovation, exploration, technology.....SCIENCE!!!!!!
We need to see the candidates debate science/ tech issues- these are the things that actually define our culture!
Make "Science Debate 2008" happen!!!!
(google it if you don't know what I'm talking about)
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Re: The Race for President
Apr 30, 2008 8:14 PM
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> Jim Earl,
>
> Usenet ya say? I've heard people mention that and
> always wondered what is it? Do you have to download
> something onto your puter to use it? is it like yahoo
> discussion groups? If you have a minute could you
> give me a little nutshell lesson?
Sorry for belated reply Rainy.
Go to google's site and look up groups like:
alt.politics.usa
talk.politics.misc
alt.politics.republicans
alt.politics.greens
alt.politics.liberalism
alt.politics.usa.republican
alt.politics.democrats
They aren't moderated so anything goes.
You can just use windows explorer or, if you
download binaries such as bootleg software,
music mp3s or video you can use freeware
like Xnews. (forget outlook express for this.
Aka "outleak express".)
http://xnews.newsguy.com/
--
She was for the war before she was against the war.
(There's no naive in politics!)
--
Edited by JimEarl at 04/30/2008 6:47 PM PDT
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Re: The Race for President
Apr 30, 2008 8:05 AM
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I heard that McCain's answer to the healthcare crisis is to take health insurance out of the hands of employers and hand it all over to the people to give us all a "choice" to select and pay for our own health insurance.
I say we make every presidential candidate and anybody who doesn't support single-payer healthcare attend all the funerals of all the tens of thousands of people who die every year from medical neglect bcz they can't afford health insurance at any price!
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Re: The Race for President
Apr 29, 2008 2:44 PM
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I listened to the Bill Moyers show with rev. Wright. The Rev. is certainly charismatic and astute if nothing else. I have been thinking a lot this morning about my Kentucky grandmother (born 1915) that witnessed a lynching in her town, and some of the early stories of Erskine Caldwell that are incredibly difficult to read, such as "Saturday Afternoon" and "The People Vs. Abe Lathan, Colored." It is certainly painful to think that America existed under these conditions.( My Kentucky grandmother's grandmother was a full Cherokee bought for the whopping sum of 100.00...)
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Re: The Race for President
Apr 26, 2008 2:25 AM
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Do you know what's so ironic about all of this 'race card' issue> The media has once again allowed Hannity, OReilly and Limbaugh to set them up and point the fingers at the dems -although the dumb butt clinton campaign has fallen for this...The people we need to call on exploiting, racial division, Rev. Wright etc...are the ones we REALLY need to go after...Hannity, O'Reilly and Limbaugh...I can't believe we haven't caused enough chaos to get these '21st Jim Crow' clowns and expose them for who they truly are...bigots...exploiting the name of God... (who happen to be catholic...and what the church is an expert at doing...that's righ, polarizing this country...heck, they promote polarization within their own congregations -I'm an AA Catholic and I know firsthand!) In hind sight, the majority of catholics will ultimately vote for a white male, white woman before they would an AA. (wonder why they voted for Hillary to be Commander in Chief when women can't be priets!)
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Re: The Race for President
Apr 14, 2008 9:23 PM
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Jim Earl,
Usenet ya say? I've heard people mention that and always wondered what is it? Do you have to download something onto your puter to use it? is it like yahoo discussion groups? If you have a minute could you give me a little nutshell lesson?
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Re: The Race for President
Apr 14, 2008 9:19 PM
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> The media keep referring to McCain as "(R) presumtive
> nominee", Why? Are the republicans concerned that his
> health and old age might give in before the
> convention and the elections? Who knows we might end
> up electing a dead man as president, well it would
> still be a step up from what we have now!!!
No, they refer to him as the "presumptive nominee" because the Party has not yet held its convention. At the convention is where the nomination becomes formal, and it's inaccurate to call him the nominee until then. It would be like, prior to the inauguration, referring to the winner of the election as the President, rather than the President-elect.
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Apr 14, 2008 8:05 PM
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The media keep referring to McCain as "(R) presumtive nominee", Why? Are the republicans concerned that his health and old age might give in before the convention and the elections? Who knows we might end up electing a dead man as president, well it would still be a step up from what we have now!!!
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Re: The Race for President
Apr 12, 2008 10:49 AM
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> > I would like to see a 3-way debate, with
> Senators
> > Clinton, McCain and Obama...
> >
> > But I think rather than the normal debate
> format, it
> > should be done in a Jeopardy format.
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> Don17000
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> That would be entertaining!
I'd like to see Bill use it as an opening skit for his show!
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Re: The Race for President
Apr 12, 2008 9:16 AM
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> Jim Earl,
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> I'd never been to the Raldolph Bourne Institute
> website before. Are the writers republicans against
> war?
You know Rainy,
I never heve checked that out either. I am familiar
with Philip Giraldi from his excellent contributions to
antiwar.com and the American Conservative which I've
been posting onto usenet for over two years now.
Some republicans and ex republicans don't like the
war though. Actually the Republican party used to
play the "opposition" party to wars but I don't know
of any that they actually stopped.(sound familiar?)
Sounds like Bill has an interesting show this week.
I missed last week's, darnit, but will have to catch
this one since they apparently mentioned the often
ignored Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
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She was for the war before she was against the war.
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Edited by JimEarl at 04/12/2008 6:19 AM PDT
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Re: The Race for President
Apr 12, 2008 2:23 AM
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Hopefully, either Clinton or Obama will chose a running mate like Wesley Clark. He would be a great military advisor, he actually knows about the Bush Make My Friends Richer war and above all he's intelligent. Wow! Just think of it, a vice president who has integrity and can actually use a weapon without shooting his friends.
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