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Who will be the next president?
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 20, 2008 10:03 AM
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Speaking of dreamers, don't miss my post # 4653
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"With every voice heard and the Party strongly united, we will elect Senator Obama President of the United States and put our nation on the path to peace and prosperity once again"- Hillary Clinton 08/14/2008
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 20, 2008 9:59 AM
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> Oh by the way, I think that Barack Obama will win in a landslide.
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Sometimes, its nice to dream. But you always have to wake up and face reality.
Below are the polls. Wake up and smell the coffee,
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
Obama is 2.5 points above Mc Cain.
Basically, it is still called a dead heat.
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Bullying and intimidation are not acceptable ways to conduct foreign policy in the 21st century.
President George Bush, 8/2008
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 20, 2008 9:58 AM
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> Oh by the way, I think that Barack Obama will win in
> a landslide.
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> PEACE & LOVE
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> YANCEY
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Don't count on that! Don't underestimate the ignorance and bigotry of many Americans.
Not only are they stupid, they are damn proud of it.
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"With every voice heard and the Party strongly united, we will elect Senator Obama President of the United States and put our nation on the path to peace and prosperity once again"- Hillary Clinton 08/14/2008
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 20, 2008 9:46 AM
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Oh by the way, I think that Barack Obama will win in a landslide.
PEACE & LOVE
YANCEY
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 20, 2008 9:39 AM
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> John McCain is a F*&#@ing Liar
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> by clammyc
> Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 02:01:18 PM EST
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> It’s long past time for people to not only give
> McCain a total pass on his outright lies, smears,
> “McCain moments” and other absolute nonsense that
> comes from his mouth but also to actively call him on
> it. And if he isn’t lying, then he is goddamn near
> senile and shouldn’t be President for that reason
> alone, notwithstanding all of the other very valid
> reasons that he shouldn’t be President.
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> Over the past few weeks, he has really stooped to a
This is such a true and great post, thank you!
PEACE & LOVE
YANCEY
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 20, 2008 9:38 AM
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Yancey wrote:
> Well, if you like slogans and platitudes, you are
> right, but if you want substance, you are not. Not
> only is John McCain shallow and empty, in 24 years in
> the Senate, outside of the Feingold/McCain bill, he
> has done nothing. What experience does he have
> besides being imprisoned for 5 years?
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The Saddleback Megachurch forum was supposed to be about a conversation about values and religion with Rev. Rick Warren the author and evangelist.
McCain didn't really give the questions any respect, but merely barked out his talking points. Obama was seen as "weak" by many fools because he took the situation seriously and gave nuanced and thoughtful answers.
The fools who applauded McCain's performance (and that is what it was) are no better than trained seals, who bark their approval of conservative cant and nonsense because that's what they've been trained to do.
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"With every voice heard and the Party strongly united, we will elect Senator Obama President of the United States and put our nation on the path to peace and prosperity once again"- Hillary Clinton 08/14/2008
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 20, 2008 9:30 AM
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Mc Cain is a liar, really? Does anyone else know?
Mc Cain also lied that he was separated from his first wife, when he met Cindy, ( his current wife).
He lied to Cindy about his estrangement to his legal wife, and then about his age.
He was a liar from the start.
Well, once on a roll, it's hard to stop.
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Bullying and intimidation are not acceptable ways to conduct foreign policy in the 21st century.
President George Bush, 8/2008
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 20, 2008 9:28 AM
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> As for Barack Obama, I
> > thought you all wanted a strong Commander In
> Chief!
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> That's why we won't vote for him. He's only a strong
> advocate for himself. Commander in Chef?
> Please......
> Leader of the free world? Com'on
> He is a novice, wet behind the ears. He has
> mesmerized all of you with his speeches of hope and
> change but he is all but hollow. Look beneath the
> surface before it is too late.
> John McCain is the true leader, He proved that last
> Saturday night once and for all. Clear, strong
> concise, he's the one who is capable. Obama lives in
> the clouds with his answers that go off into tangents.
Well, if you like slogans and platitudes, you are right, but if you want substance, you are not. Not only is John McCain shallow and empty, in 24 years in the Senate, outside of the Feingold/McCain bill, he has done nothing. What experience does he have besides being imprisoned for 5 years? How did he try to change the course of congress that he admitted did nothing for 30 years? If you want an old neurotic anti-intellectual as your president, please vote for John McCain. If you want to change direction then vote for Barack Obama for he is fresh air in a polluted atmosphere. John McCain really is a third term of Bush as McCain has no original ideas or solutions to anything, because the only thing he is an old no thinker whose only claim to fame is that he is a hero for being imprisoned in a losing war. The best qualification for me as president is to be eloquent and a leaders in the bully pulpit, because presidents are not kings where he can wave his finger to get things done. John McCain said that if he were president he would have order the house not to go on vocation. Well, he may order them, but he would also hear the sound footsteps as they leave. John McCain in my view is a fraud with nothing to offer America except slogans and platitude. I feel that if we were to elect Senator John McCain as president that America would sink even lower than it is because the world has already lost respect for us, and things would only just get worst!
PEACE & LOVE
YANCEY
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Edited by 32fyauthor at 08/20/2008 6:31 AM PDT
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 20, 2008 9:27 AM
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> >
> "We have staked the future of all of our political
> institutions upon the capacity of mankind for
> self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of
> us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to
> sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments
> of God. "
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> James Madison - Author of the US Constitution - 1785
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The United States was established as a secular state, whatever the personal views of the founders. Or, I should say the political expedient writings of the founders as they politicked for the acceptance of independence from GB and the later constitution.
In fact, McCain's insistance on pushing that notion does not help when dealing with the Islamic world.
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"With every voice heard and the Party strongly united, we will elect Senator Obama President of the United States and put our nation on the path to peace and prosperity once again"- Hillary Clinton 08/14/2008
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Edited by mechadave at 08/20/2008 6:44 AM PDT
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 20, 2008 9:18 AM
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>
> The problem with quoting James Madison, is that he
> wrote so darned much, and so darned much that argues
> against your position.
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> None the less, the evidence is against your position.
> I cannot agree that the United States of America was
> s established as a Christian nation, or as McCain
> would say, a Judeo-Christian nation.
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"We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God. "
James Madison - Author of the US Constitution - 1785
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Republicans should just apologize to the American people and not run anyone in November...if the Democrats lose this year......they should just disband the party and stop wasting everyone's time.
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 20, 2008 9:01 AM
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John McCain is a F*&#@ing Liar
by clammyc
Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 02:01:18 PM EST
It’s long past time for people to not only give McCain a total pass on his outright lies, smears, “McCain moments” and other absolute nonsense that comes from his mouth but also to actively call him on it. And if he isn’t lying, then he is goddamn near senile and shouldn’t be President for that reason alone, notwithstanding all of the other very valid reasons that he shouldn’t be President.
Over the past few weeks, he has really stooped to a new low – and just when you think that there can’t be a new low. But yes, every day comes another outright fabrication, nay, lie – about his positions, about Obama’s positions, hell – think back to the primary season when he lied about Romney or Huckabee or whoever else.
It’s too bad that only republicans know how to use the word “liar” when it comes to their opponents, even though they generally are using it for opponents that didn’t actually lie (and usually, they are the ones lying). But the fact remains that McCain is so power mad, so unhinged at the fact that he isn’t getting quite the fluffing that he feels he is due, his campaign has continued it’s collision course with the title of “most sleazy, dishonest and scummy campaign ever”.
The problem is that in an era where things can easily be verified, “I don’t remember” is sometimes passable and “I never said that” or “I never did that” is unacceptable and easily verifiable.
*We know that he lied about not writing letters to the FCC to benefit one of his campaign contributors;
*We know that he lied when he said that he never asked for nor received a single earmark;
*We know that he lied about privatizing Social Security;
*During the primaries, he lied about his potential running mate, Romney on more than one occasion;
*Over the past week, he lied about Obama and visiting the troops. In fact, his new ad on this is also a lie.
*He lied this week (again) about not using the word “timetable”;
*He lied about his admission that he is the damn fool when it comes to the economy;
*His campaign lied about oil spills after Hurricane Katrina;
*He lied about his voting record when questioned by a veteran about it;
*He recently lied to either a child or to conservative bloggers about immigration;
*He lied about his POW experience (i.e., Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Green Bay Packers), and while this isn’t as big a deal to me, it should be raised if stupid petty nonsense about Obama gets raised.
*Of course his wife Cindy lied about her recipes for cookies when she stole them from Family Circle magazine. Of course, stealing is something that she knows well, as she also stole painkillers from a veteran’s charity that she was in charge of.
*He lied recently to FoxNews about a Town Hall event they were working together on;
*He lied about decreasing oil prices being because Bush lifted the offshore drilling ban;
He has lied about Obama’s and Clinton’s health care proposals;
*He lied about his position on Bosnia and Kosovo in trying to prove his credentials;
*He lied about Clinton and Obama’s comments regarding renegotiating NAFTA;
*He lied about his opting into public financing when it was convenient for him to opt back out;
*He lied a few months back about Iran-Contra.
*He lied about his involvement (not sexual but political) with Iseman and her firm.
And that is just off the top of my head and a quick search.
So let’s start calling him what he is. A full on liar. Not only “forgetful”, not only “misinterpreted”, not only “misquoted”, not only mean-spirited and stretching the truth.
A liar. As in “pants on fire”. If he is going to get a pass from the media, it makes it that much harder for the rest of us to get past the smokescreen. Here are around 20 instances, not even counting the 3 straight days of “Iran helps al Qaeda” or “the surge resulted in the Anbar awakening” or whatever other crap he tries to throw at the wall.
We just had 8 years of outright dangerous lies on many major issues. Not only are many of the same people involved with McCain campaign, but they are lying about just as many major important issues.
And lying isn’t so “mavericky”, is it?http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2008/8/18/12743/1215
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"With every voice heard and the Party strongly united, we will elect Senator Obama President of the United States and put our nation on the path to peace and prosperity once again"- Hillary Clinton 08/14/2008
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 20, 2008 8:22 AM
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Here's a good poster for the RNC next month:
http://static.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/rnc28years.jpg
"...and the Conservative Hate Virus that hijacked a political party,
a religion,
and the national media,
and turned them into disease vectors…
still rages merrily along.”
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"With every voice heard and the Party strongly united, we will elect Senator Obama President of the United States and put our nation on the path to peace and prosperity once again"- Hillary Clinton 08/14/2008
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 20, 2008 7:20 AM
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magnoliafan wrote:
> You have got to check this editorial out about Obama
> through the eyes of the midwest. It won't be found
> in Newsweek, either Times or the Post and that's too
> bad. It's from the newspaper in Hays, KS (springtime
> home of the storm chasers on the Discover channel).
> It was written by Will Manly and you can see it @
> @ will@thestironline.com. Well worth a look if you
> live in the midwest or any small town.
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Why didn't you put in the link? For somebody critical of other posters, you leave yourself open, Boyo.
Hey, I live in the midwest! I think I'll just post my own opinion through my own eyes.
The midwest thinks that Barack Obama is the best candidate for president in generations, and we will be proud to vote for him and the entire Democratic ticket.
There, I saved everybody the trouble of typing in your non-existent link.
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"With every voice heard and the Party strongly united, we will elect Senator Obama President of the United States and put our nation on the path to peace and prosperity once again"- Hillary Clinton 08/14/2008
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Edited by mechadave at 08/20/2008 5:25 AM PDT
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 20, 2008 7:08 AM
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> NY Times
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> Op-Ed Columnist
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> The Education of McCain
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> By DAVID BROOKS
> Published: August 19, 2008
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David Brooks is an lying idiot. So, he blames others for McSame's nasty campaign? How convenient.
I don't know why people say the NYT is liberal when they feature conservatard columnists like Brooks and Kristol who specialize in fact free Republican propaganda.
I'm sure that's why Grandpa McCain was pissed when his Op-Ed was rejected. Since Brooks and Kristol are allowed to write articles whose facts are in conflict with the truth as reported by the NYT news division, why can't Grandpa lie his ass off in their newspaper too?
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"With every voice heard and the Party strongly united, we will elect Senator Obama President of the United States and put our nation on the path to peace and prosperity once again"- Hillary Clinton 08/14/2008
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Edited by mechadave at 08/20/2008 6:42 AM PDT
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Re: The Race for President
Aug 20, 2008 6:58 AM
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> > sorry....do think someone will really read
> something
> > that long?!
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cbunny wrote:
> Magnoliafan,
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> RainyK knows that people are ignoring her posts, but
> she thinks quanity beats quality.
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> That's why so many bloggers have her post on ignore.
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> Please excuse her waste of space.
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Who is going to excuse your waste of space. You seem to be a bitter waste of good air as well.
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"With every voice heard and the Party strongly united, we will elect Senator Obama President of the United States and put our nation on the path to peace and prosperity once again"- Hillary Clinton 08/14/2008
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