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General religion discussion.
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Dec 14, 2009 3:26 PM
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> > "All sects are different, because they come
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> I'm all for safe sects.
Good bumper sticker .... along with Sarah Silverman's
"Sell the Vatican, Feed the Poor"
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Dec 14, 2009 3:24 PM
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I watched a documentary by Ben Stein, called Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. It reminded me a lot of Voyce's arguments about Darwin. In his defense, he argued it much better. Altogether, the show was a complete disappointment. If you want to promote debate on a given subject, you should focus on your position's strengths and how they compare favorably to that of your opposition, not paint yourself as a victim and the opposition as the purest, most commonly associated evils of mankind.
The show boils the conflict between Darwin and Intelligent Design down to this:
Hitler murdered people because he read Darwin's theory. Meanwhile, Intelligent Design is barred behind a Berlin-esk wall and the scientific freedom to pursue it is the last great hope we have in this world. And, without that freedom, we'll be in Nazi death camps.
Sorry Ben, but that pitch sucks. At least you could have defined each theory. Or even established the debate points. Instead, you presented one theory of many behind evolution (cells forming like/on crystals) and laughed it away, while asking Evolutionary supporters if they believed in a god - as if that belief was strong enough evidence for Intelligent Design, or its absence irrevocably disqualified them from commenting on it.
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Dec 7, 2009 9:06 AM
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> Really? Because I would say Christianity is no better.
Regarding the word "crime", just figure that man-made law has no application to many religious minds. That their script is from a supreme authority (no argument can dissuade this). And then you're there. When the cult holds the only judgment on its actions (actions blessed by their interpretation of the only true authority), then there can be no crime by the cult as a whole.
In a video game out now (Assassin's Creed II) there is a quote that reoccurs. I think it's by William Burroughs: "Nothing is true, everything is permitted."
The game draws several comparisons between religion and power mongers and is in itself a conspiracy theory and mankind-origin speculator, but the quote is still very thought provoking.
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Dec 4, 2009 9:37 PM
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Really? Because I would say Christianity is no better.
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Dec 4, 2009 8:53 PM
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> Well why is it that so many years
> people did not try
> to find a religion that they can follow
> without being involved in crime?????
They're no worse than Christianity was at the same stage of development.
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Dec 2, 2009 7:22 PM
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> "All sects are different, because they come from
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I'm all for safe sects.
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Dec 2, 2009 5:15 PM
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"All sects are different, because they come from men"
But some sects are safer than others.
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Dec 2, 2009 1:02 PM
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We need new laws about churches to protect people because everyone should be able to seek whatever higher power they want
as long as it does not cause physical harm to other human beings????
Should we have new laws (for churches)
to stop anyone from cursing other groups
or preaching destruction????
Should we have new laws (for churches)
against preventing education of women and children???
Pat Robertson....(I think that's his name)
He had a guest speaker saying
that Islam religion cannot be reformed
because it has deep rooted hatred
based on taking over the world
in obedience to mohammad..????
.the prophet that they follow.
Well why is it that so many years
people did not try
to find a religion that they can follow
without being involved in crime?????
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Dec 1, 2009 7:38 PM
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> All sects are different, because they come from men;
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Morality is NOT everywhere the same, and it comes from humanity, also. It is only alleged to have come from God.
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Dec 1, 2009 7:34 PM
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> All sects are different, because they come from men;
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Morality is NOT everywhere the same, and it comes from humanity, also. It is only alleged to have come from God.
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Dec 1, 2009 1:10 PM
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All sects are different, because they come from men;
morality is everywhere the same, because it comes from God.
Voltaire
If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.
Voltaire
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Edited by berik26 at 12/01/2009 10:13 AM PST
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Dec 1, 2009 12:50 PM
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"Belief in God is based primarily on faith."
And expedience.
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Dec 1, 2009 10:09 AM
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Is anyone here familiar with scientific experiments? Seems the results of a very public experiment has proven that evolution exists!
... and much, much more. If this is for real than Bill Maher has the proof that he is right.
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Nov 30, 2009 5:02 PM
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Science is predicated primarily on fact.
Belief in God is based primarily on faith.
Organized religion is predicated on willful ignorance of fact and faith and imposed, unquestioned obedience to its hierarchy.
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