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General religion discussion.
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Sep 4, 2009 10:21 PM
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I apologize for changing the subject
and
know that this is a helluva Q
What would you lose if you gave up religion?
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Sep 4, 2009 10:08 PM
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> voyce,
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> There's another man claiming to have received
> messages from God, who allegedly did these things -
> story's been on the news for a few days.
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> He's likely a criminal fuck with a few screws loose,
> and not the typical Christian... but the number of
> nutballs who claim to have a religious experience
> while torturing other people, is disconcerting.
I feel so stupid now. Problem is since i live in Puerto Rico, i dont really hear much any news about whats going on in the states anymore. The only things i seem to read about from outside of P.R. is war, economy, etc...
Thanks for letting me know, though.
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Sep 4, 2009 7:26 PM
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> Where is this coming from? What exactly are you
> trying to say(other than there is no love if so and
> so...)? Does this have to do with religion? or the
> Bible? or current society? or what?
voyce,
There's another man claiming to have received messages from God, who allegedly did these things - story's been on the news for a few days.
He's likely a criminal fuck with a few screws loose, and not the typical Christian... but the number of nutballs who claim to have a religious experience while torturing other people, is disconcerting.
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Sep 4, 2009 6:33 PM
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> Just to be clear
> ...there's ...NO... love if...
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> A guy makes you live in a shed out in the
> he backyard.
> or...if You are abducted
> and forced into being his bride.
> or.....
> if you are held captive for eighteen years.
> or.....if you are not allowed
> to wear normal clothing.
> or......if you are given
> a new first name.
Where is this coming from? What exactly are you trying to say(other than there is no love if so and so...)? Does this have to do with religion? or the Bible? or current society? or what?
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Sep 4, 2009 2:28 PM
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Just to be clear
...there's ...NO... love if...
A guy makes you live in a shed out in the backyard.
or...if You are abducted
and forced into being his bride.
or.....
if you are held captive for eighteen years.
or.....if you are not allowed
to wear normal clothing.
or......if you are given
a new first name.
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Sep 3, 2009 2:47 PM
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I've been waiting for the atheist's version. I hear it's a quick read, albeit terribly overpriced.
DaN
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Sep 2, 2009 10:58 PM
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This is one of the main problems the Bible has. Its countless "revised" versions and countless translations. The translations arent that bad. I mean, we dont all understand Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic, but the countless revised versions i dont like. I never really noticed this problem until i started to read the New International Version(NIV). That Bible is TERRIBLE. It shouldnt even be allowed to exist, its so terrible. It literally adds and takes away from the Bible, whole words and sometimes whole verses(which is condemned by the Bible itself).
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Sep 2, 2009 8:08 PM
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thank you Lady,
Wonder which English they're going to use (?)
I'm suspicious of any attempts to translate, "to make accessable", whenever at least some of the audience already considers the text to be the literal Word of God.
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Sep 2, 2009 4:49 PM
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"CNN just reported that a revised form of the Bible is being released in 2011, updated for changes in the English language.
They didn't address the single most important piece of information in the whole story: who's releasing it."
Here you go...
http://humanrights.einnews.com/article.php?nid=40171
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Sep 2, 2009 1:48 PM
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CNN just reported that a revised form of the Bible is being released in 2011, updated for changes in the English language.
They didn't address the single most important piece of information in the whole story: who's releasing it.
Is it to be the Catholics?
The Lutherans?
The Baptists?
The Mormons?
Who's sanctioning this Revised Bible? And, what's the point of a Revised Bible, if not to translate it once again for a new audience, losing and adding connotations and denotations to the text? Afterall, nothing's ever lost, substituted, or added in translation  .
It's only the single pillar upon which the entire Christian faith is built on... wouldn't want to suggest that a group of people (self-appointed and unaccountable) could manipulate such a document for their own gains.
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Edited by joefromusa at 09/02/2009 10:51 AM PDT
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Sep 1, 2009 7:36 PM
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joefromusa,
Oh know you didn't! LOL in the EXTREMIS!
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Sep 1, 2009 8:47 AM
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Bumper Stickers I'd like to see (#11):
You say Crusades, I say, ?Rape and Plunder by asshole Anglos and Frogs.?
Good to know the world?s populace is sheltered and fed, that we can build such obscene shrines to honor the God of charity.
If we all practiced religious tolerance, the entire Racket would collapse into bankruptcy and ruin.
Taxes are for heathens.
Maybe Jesus accepted his fate for all the wrong reasons. Chicks dig piercings.
Threat of excommunication, is like threatening to bury Grandma upside-down. Or can we admit that God cares more about Man?s heart, than about his ceremonies?
and?
Priests can?t set rules for condoms or adoptions, until they?ve tried both on.
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Aug 29, 2009 9:20 PM
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My Mike Myers remark was a sarcastic approach to a Empire that was very successful. I know the Romans ruled the empire, by imperialistic ideals, extreme torture(crucifixion for any enemy to the state) and Emperor's who manipulated and or created a savior to rule the masses.(Council of Nicaea) Even if one pope was pure in his intentions the teachings were distorted immediately when the next pope took office. The popes were not holy men but politicians. So for example it would be like President Clinton receiving the teachings of some great prophet and he elected to remove chapter 33 on compassion because he thought it would not address his agenda as president of a empire.
And do not forget the Roman Catholic Church's fight against Martin Luther (a monk) who translated the bible into German so that the masses could read it. Very threatening to the power of the The Church. (I am not sure on the fact- I think he was German) He was kicked out because they wanted to continue to manipulate the masses i.e. original purpose of the HOLY ROMAN's EMPIRE to do a 1984- Big Brother Move!!!!!!
If the Dalai Lama, who was kicked out of his homeland, still preserves some deep amount of compassion, patience and grace is a "rather decent guy" then he does have some answers to the nature of being human. Mostly because he did not drop a bomb on China. This is the best we got so far people!!!! It is the way that the Dalai Lama acts and practices that is the answer. He does not promote a doctrine under a massive tent every Sunday and then go out and play the field on Monday thru Saturday. He promotes peaceful action. He does write books to explain his faith, but he would not tell me that I will go to hell for not believing it. He would not tell me that my soul is doomed if I do not take his faith as the only one.
I do ask a lot of questions and also seek the answers. I posted those questions to people who claim that their is "No God, No Nothing" because they are mad or upset at a religion that they grew up under. It is the existential ideal that just does not do it for me. But it is the proof that they need and at least they are smart enough to expect it. I will take that any day over those who believe the fairy tale stories of the Christian Doctrine are literally true.
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Aug 29, 2009 7:25 PM
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> Bill,
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> While I completely agree with the statements
> regarding religion, especially western religion. I
> think Mike Myers in Drag on Saturday Night Live said
> it best (when he was playing the Jewish princess)
> "the holy Roman empire was neither holy nor Roman"
> DISCUSS!!!!
> I have done my research on those who took whatever
> was the spiritual teaching of the day (Romans) and
> used it for their own political gain- and boy they
> did up in the most - outrageous mind manipulating way
> of all history i.e. the Christian Religion. (A Blood
> Bath Manual- and maybe some texts to back up Slavery-
> Oh Yeah We got it now-said the Roman popes in the
> Roman baths- steaming up their next chapter of
> history)
> But my concern is how one can be an intelligent
> person and disregard experiences that are mystical,
> unusual and studies done on strange human
> experiences. There are so many experiences that
> people have that are unexplained that it at least
> presents a possibility that something is going on
> beyond our limited understanding. The Mozarts,
> Tibetan monks and NDE are all unanswered mysteries
> that point to something beyond our understanding.
> They all can't be hoaxes. I understand the burden of
> proof is on those who do believe/experience something
> higher than themselves.
> I think you should invite the Dali Lama to your show
> and drill him a bit. The eastern point-of-view is so
> completely different and refreshing compared to the
> imperialistic-religious-righteousness-rhetoric of the
> western view. I believe the east doesn't want to
> convert everyone and their brother to their
> "religion". They have been doing it so long they
> could care less if anyone believes or not.
> I believe that being a fanatic in one direction does
> not excuse one to be a fanatic in another direction.
> While I can't believe highly successful intelligent
> people believe the fairly stories of the bible are
> actually true. Nor do I understand the opposite end
> that their is a black void and this is it. So go East
> and wander through a different point-of-view- Don't
> deny your ball of vibrational energy that you are-
> sorry proven- and maybe you will find some extra
> sense that their is something else going on here in
> this space and time. Because time is just a human
> construct ya know.
>
> The scientists are on the edge because of their own
> experiments in physics. It is only the western world
> view who is now in trouble. The east is just going
> "ha exactly what we have said for the last 1000
> years." The scientists have proven that light does
> what it wants- particles and waves- serious issue for
> the nature of the universe. We are moving into a
> quantum -multi-world i.e. parallel world universe-
> this is your scientist doing this. Make sure you go
> all the way with your logic, research and or pursuit
> for the truth.
> Maybe it is more like Joseph Campbellism- look beyond
> the literal and finds the metaphors- look to the
> artist always if you want some good extra-ordinary
> feelings- for them our mystics of today. Musicians,
> poets, artists and athletes point to the highest
> human potential. Should we stop the artist who
> channel into something- because we don't have proof
> of what they are doing. Then you are no different
> than those who say- it is Satan who possesses the
> blues player on the corner of the street.
> Joseph Campbell did not deny evolution- we know we
> are animals but lets move on to the higher things....
> and what do these artists say about human potential?
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>
> I think of Gandhi as one example of our highest human
> experiences- he was real, reasonable, logical, and
> intelligent and a man devoted to his faith- and to
> disregard a man like this is just not an option. And
> the argument continues that if a man who actually
> existed was moral and chose to embrace the highest
> human potential we have seen on Earth then what
> shaped this man? Their faith was at least one third
> present in their actions. Martin Luther King, Mother
> Teresa, and Gandhi were some the greatest humans to
> ever exist and thus they influenced the most people
> during their time here. Anyway I rest my case.
>
> --
> Edited by kori124 at 08/29/2009 8:51 AM PDT
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> --
> Edited by kori124 at 08/29/2009 8:56 AM PDT
( as if you are typing to me )
You are lovely young lady who asks good questions.
the Dali Lama does not have the answers.
He is just followed and a rather decent guy.
The Holy Roman empire was very Roman.
the remnant of the Empire of Rome
that is still very viable today IS
the Roman Catholic Church.
The most important thing for all that you have typed here
is to
keep asking questions - lots and lots of questions.
I would be interested to read all that you typed here
in the form of a big list of questions
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Edited by dawniedarling at 08/29/2009 4:27 PM PDT
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